Mini 1643: World of Mafiacraft (End)

[TroubledTownie]

care to repeat why that is, then?

Flinging complete crap hoping something will stick, avoiding all the valid points I've made and trying to misdirect, only putting forward the faintest attempt to appear scumhunting, defending anti-town behavior.

[TroubledTownie]

Buy: Tier 2

[MathBlade]

From killerjester's post

The town ends Day 2 without a lynch so will receive neither raid tokens nor additional gear.

So no one got any gear.

Titus stop fluffing up the thread with bullshit mechanics, TT stop chain gunning FoS's.

Jeez I swear it is like these two are just defending Ozgin and trying to anything to dodge their scumslip.

[MathBlade]

Post 1865 -- He said it made him doubt my town alignment. Thus implying he knows I am town. Hell lynch me and that'd obv scum Ozgin

You obviously didn't read 1916.

Stop trying to push another mislynch this close to lylo. Or maybe you know that and are desperate for a mislynch to further your win condition, so you're blindly pulling shit out of your ass to misrep me.

My ass is very sexy and correct thank you. My win con is awesome and is town's. Duh.

[MathBlade]

Also t2 is prob best so then investigative role can claim today and we got some leads

No. Absolutely not. Cop should not claim *sigh*

[MathBlade]

My biggest concern with Math is every single 1 v 1 she has picked has been all not group scum. She is capable of such extreme derpage as town though.

I picked two 1v1's meaning 1 is town one is not.

First was House and Nero. Surprise one was town one wasn't.
Second was House and me. Surprise one is town and one wasn't.

Bullshit detector high.

[Titus]

From killerjester's post

The town ends Day 2 without a lynch so will receive neither raid tokens nor additional gear.

So no one got any gear.

Titus stop fluffing up the thread with bullshit mechanics, TT stop chain gunning FoS's.

Jeez I swear it is like these two are just defending Ozgin and trying to anything to dodge their scumslip.

We have cop (or other investigative) from D1. Getting doc bg or bus driver is best today if we know doc and cop will both be town.

Then cop is less likely to die.

[Titus]

Bus driver should swap cop and scumread derp.

Bus driver swapping themselves with cop can lead to dead cop.

[MathBlade]

Or we could keep the cop secret and protect the cop that way What we get is randomized if you are bidding on that tier.

[Titus]

My biggest concern with Math is every single 1 v 1 she has picked has been all not group scum. She is capable of such extreme derpage as town though.

I picked two 1v1's meaning 1 is town one is not.

First was House and Nero. Surprise one was town one wasn't.
Second was House and me. Surprise one is town and one wasn't.

Bullshit detector high.

And you also tried to one v one me and nero.

My point is all your 1 v 1 pushes have not included group scum

[Titus]

Or we could keep the cop secret and protect the cop that way What we get is randomized if you are bidding on that tier.

It is random protective in Tier 2.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: Tier 3 components

Tier two is useless to you as your reads suck monkey balls. At best you are derpy town but I really think it is 2-4 of Oz,you,TT,TFL.

Yeah and then no one can vig when we do get cop firms :/ We need a vig or jailer tonight because of not getting tokens last time. Because if Oz and Titus and TT lead this town we will end up with a townie lynch which is bad for all of us.

[kiwieagle]

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: Tier 3 components

Tier two is useless to you as your reads suck monkey balls. At best you are derpy town but I really think it is 2-4 of Oz,you,TT,TFL.

Yeah and then no one can vig when we do get cop firms :/ We need a vig or jailer tonight because of not getting tokens last time. Because if Oz and Titus and TT lead this town we will end up with a townie lynch which is bad for all of us.

You just contradicted yourself here so hard.

If their reads suck balls why the fuck would you vote T3 which gives possibility of vigilante?

[MathBlade]

Because my reads don't. And I am hoping more people will give me that chance or the smart people vote Tier Three. If people with bad reads vote Tier Three I Unvote.

[kiwieagle]

You do realize the role distribution is randomized regardless who votes it? (Actually I think you do realize this and are playing dumb.. maybe?)

[Titus]

Kiwi, the problem with Math is she does the same resist the obviously good option as town or scum.

In Playing with elements, I was uncced tracker wanting a massclaim to pin the scums into categories and make it near impossible for scum to read. Math doubtcasts me, waffles on her claim, and conftowned a scum based on bussing.

She resists optimal play as either alignment.

[TroubledTownie]

Because my reads don't. And I am hoping more people will give me that chance or the smart people vote Tier Three. If people with bad reads vote Tier Three I Unvote.

It seems like you're trying to step up to the plate and replace ABR

BTW, what's chaingunning?

[Ozgin]

Post 1865 -- He said it made him doubt my town alignment. Thus implying he knows I am town. Hell lynch me and that'd obv scum Ozgin

You obviously didn't read 1916.

Stop trying to push another mislynch this close to lylo. Or maybe you know that and are desperate for a mislynch to further your win condition, so you're blindly pulling shit out of your ass to misrep me.

It sucks shit but math does this all the time. She forgets scum would not doubt town alignment after the sk flipped.

VOTE: shos

So what are your thoughts on shos?

That's also directed @TT - Scumread on shos? Can I get an explanation?

Also, I feel like kiwi is on-again off-again posting, like kinda lurking kinda not.

Let me ask a question, I'll be intrigued by the answers.

@ Everyone: Let's be blunt. Are you town-aligned? Can you point to any posts where you feel you've earned your merit as a town? If you've made any particular mistakes, can you explain them?

For myself, yes I am town. I have made numerous rookie mistakes in this game, though. I started playing hard-analytics, and tried to be the open trust-all kind of guy. That was obviously very poorly received, but I credit that to my newbie-ness. I also was mildly inactive for a short period of time in the middle of this game, thanks to school and stuff being an issue. While I was never inactive enough to warrant a prod, it hindered my ability to experience interactions with others and gain reads.

My biggest misread this game was reading ABR as scum early on, and I was being stubborn about changing my vote. However, I still feel as though I've earned merit as a townie with my full defenses and raised points such as in 447 and 482. I feel as though my questions were helpful to everyone's reads and thorough. I also feel as though they were pretty logical and to-the-point. Furthermore, I think my sarcastic italic posts helped people understand

MY

thoughts and the reasons why

I

thought what I did.

So now everyone else, let's hear it. That's me explaining myself.

Not to go back to where I felt I was being overly trusting and opening of trust, but believe me when I said

I really like opening my kimono, meaning I like explaining myself and I like others explaining themselves. I find it easier to read people's refutations rather than their accusations.

In other words, I'm looking for people to stop withholding information potentially valuable to the team. When I say open your kimono, I'm not asking for this:



I'm asking for this:

[Titus]

@Ozgin,

With shos for me he has worn out the replacement welcome. For awhile it's ok not to give content. Hell I almost never read the backup but sink my teeth in pretty quickly to the content. He has not given any content nor any solid read.

As for why I am town, I suck at arguing why I am town. It is something I rarely do unless I am a lynch candidate. I prefer to let my thought pattern speak for itself. I do think no withholdong is good AFTER the mod confirms that all random bids can only go to town.

[kiwieagle]

The two posts ozigin linked are scummy/bad. Don't see how he claim those made him town.

[kiwieagle]

I probably even explained to him why they were bad right after he made it.

[Ozgin]

@Ozgin,

With shos for me he has worn out the replacement welcome. For awhile it's ok not to give content. Hell I almost never read the backup but sink my teeth in pretty quickly to the content. He has not given any content nor any solid read.

As for why I am town, I suck at arguing why I am town. It is something I rarely do unless I am a lynch candidate. I prefer to let my thought pattern speak for itself. I do think no withholdong is good AFTER the mod confirms that all random bids can only go to town.

Okay, fair. But,

If the mod confirms that all random bids go to town, will you at least

try

to give us an explanation as to why you're town? Even if you suck at it, just give it a shot?

Also:

It is random protective in Tier 2.

I think this is why Tier 2 is most valuable at this point, and I agree that we should get a defensive PR for town, but I'm not gonna vote to buy it until, as seems to be the topic of major discussion, the mod confirms or denies who the random pieces go to.

The two posts ozigin linked are scummy/bad. Don't see how he claim those made him town.

You probably think they're bad because they're against you. Now tell us why you're town, explain your infrequent and lazy posts (that I also mentioned in that post), and stop cherrypicking my posts to only find things suitable to your agenda (by trying to misrep and consequently mislynch me).

[kiwieagle]

ABR
If you are reading this I want to say how disappointed in you are. You really hurt the town.

I also hope KJ get better

Now on to business
Ok my reads are horrible. Right now I feel like voting Titus bc I been town reading her and my reads have been totally wrong up to this point

This is a really scummy post.

"Well fuck my scum reads are all wrong so I should vote my town reads"

I am surprised people let this pass with at most a slap in the wrist.

[kiwieagle]

@Ozgin,

With shos for me he has worn out the replacement welcome. For awhile it's ok not to give content. Hell I almost never read the backup but sink my teeth in pretty quickly to the content. He has not given any content nor any solid read.

As for why I am town, I suck at arguing why I am town. It is something I rarely do unless I am a lynch candidate. I prefer to let my thought pattern speak for itself. I do think no withholdong is good AFTER the mod confirms that all random bids can only go to town.

Okay, fair. But,

If the mod confirms that all random bids go to town, will you at least

try

to give us an explanation as to why you're town? Even if you suck at it, just give it a shot?

Also:

It is random protective in Tier 2.

I think this is why Tier 2 is most valuable at this point, and I agree that we should get a defensive PR for town, but I'm not gonna vote to buy it until, as seems to be the topic of major discussion, the mod confirms or denies who the random pieces go to.

The two posts ozigin linked are scummy/bad. Don't see how he claim those made him town.

You probably think they're bad because they're against you. Now tell us why you're town, explain your infrequent and lazy posts (that I also mentioned in that post), and stop cherrypicking my posts to only find things suitable to your agenda (by trying to misrep and consequently mislynch me).

The 48 posts guy is calling the 213 posts guy someone who posts "lazily and infrequently" and then claims I am MISREPPING him.

Lol.
The nerve of this guy.

[TroubledTownie]

That's also directed @TT - Scumread on shos? Can I get an explanation?

Just look at my ISO, I've outlined the reasons in D2, and made a tl;dr on the same page as this post.[/quote]