We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Oranje Crush]

I'm seeimg brantz more now vyse, I'll take a deeper look when i have time myself to confirm my thoughts. Copper's town for scum hunting and meta reasons.
Bro's just saying "I think Brantz is scum" and stuff. He has to catch up quite a bit as his work is taking a lot of time. We basically disagree on everything besides copper and TPTG are town.

[Oranje Crush]

^I'll explain copper more later too

[Narninian]

the thing I'm finding scummy is wagoning Jackel after he claimed investigator

Nuh uh. Jackel was pushed first, he wasn't voted because the main idea was vigging him instead of lynching him. Then he claimed tracker and appealed he wanted to make it to D2.
Either nobody has ever played with Jackel, or they have but don't see Jackel's typical towngame here to vouch for his possible innocence.
I count about 6 people beside me on Jackel wagon, are you saying I'm on a wagon with every single member of both scum factions? Isn't that a bit of a stretch.

No, I'm not saying literally everyone on the Wagon has to be scum. I just think voting for an investigative role at this point is somewhat sketchy. I need to read through posts more before figuring out who to vote for, as there is quite a bit of reading to do. I'm going to use the Jackel wagon as a starting point, as scum obviously would have motivation to lynch an investigator, and town would have motivation to look elsewhere for a lynch.

And no we don't know the exact number of scum to make a statement like 'every single member of both scum factions': With all these PRs (Claimed and unclaimed) it is certainly reasonable that there would be more anti-town players than 6.

[deathfisaro]

I'm mildly entertaining the idea of a possible faction that's neither town nor scum by the way town in condition's stated in my role PM. Because ~3 scum1 ~3 scum2 ~20 town I think would likely end up in a landslide town win.
But this speculation is not affecting my reads nor votes until I have more evidence to support it.

[ActionDan]

^

I can't let drixx go. There are maybe two scenarios that make any sense with both of us town. One would simply be full BPs smushed and adjusted to make one immune to mafia and one immune to a singular 3rd party SK. But in this case I can't imagine Drixx not being told explicitly like I was that he's immune to a clearly defined faction. He's not, because he's not to be able to tell between mafia 3rd party or even a vig. The 2nd would necessitate a pure lateral translation throwing in our roles verbatim together. Which might seem to work if I came from a game with mafia only and he came from a game with mafia/3rd party. But in this case to I feel like the mods would have obvious which specific faction he'd be immune to (which btw, would 99% of the time be the mafia faction). Even miller bbmolla has his own specific faction named (not that I trust him really)

[LucianRoy]

For some reason, the above post really speaks to me.
I think lynching Drixx might be something everyone can agree to today, and for the sake of town cooperation, we need a person with those credentials.
Sorry, Drixx.

VOTE: Drixx

Plus, depending on his flip, we'll have a gold-mine of info.

[Boonskiies]

@Orange - So. BRantz? Copper? Thoughts, please?

@Bulbasar - Oh hey! You keep pushing my lynch. (& Von, & Lucian, & Jackel, popular wagon of choice, etc.) Why? Does Bulb really think I'm that dangerous to your team?

@Death - Since when is not defending yourself scummy? I've got limited time & energy, as I've noted at length, and I'm mostly focusing on my reads. This may have been a mistake, in retrospect, but I'm not really used to scumreads hanging around on me after I've shared my reads. It makes me wonder what the heck happened, anyway.

Quick version - Lucian was suspect #1 when I was writing that up. I didn't actually read through his whole ISO or anywhere close, just enough to glance at the tone that was bothering me (and possibly Om), but I can show you other games where I've worked like heck on a read, and not answering you is listed above.)

Also not thrilled with you. That first question wasn't rhetorical. I'd really appreciate an elaboration.

@Boon - Can I get an overview of your reads? Can you walk me through your thought process on Drixx & Vonflare?

@BBMolla - Okay, your Toon vote is dead, and your Orange wagon might as well be. Where are you going to jump? Why? (Correct answer: BRantz (kinda ready to give up on lynching Copper today, but if you want to go for it...))

I'm willing to town read BBMolla at this point, for reasons that I don't feel like explaining right now. Drixx is weird; his fluffy playstyle masks scumplay really easily, I don't necessarily think he's been analyzing the game, and pretty much just being a justified scum member. Vonflare is scum.

[Titus]

For some reason, the above post really speaks to me.
I think lynching Drixx might be something everyone can agree to today, and for the sake of town cooperation, we need a person with those credentials.
Sorry, Drixx.

VOTE: Drixx

Plus, depending on his flip, we'll have a gold-mine of info.

If Drixx is town, Lucian has good odds of being scum.

VC please

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 1.12

Jackel98 (6)

- Oranje Crush, Magua, Cerberus v666, vonflare, deathfisaro, Bulbasaur Commonwealth

Drixx (5)

- Three-Pronged Trouser God, Om of the Nom, Toon Fighter, ActionDan, LucianRoy

vonflare (2)

- BRantz, Jackel98

ActionDan (2)

- ChriVi, PeregrineV

BRantz (2)

- Narninian, VysePresident

Toon Fighter (1)

- BBmolla

VysePresident (1)

- copper223

deathfisaro (1)

- Pirate Ika

Marquis (1)

- Boonskiies

Bulbasaur Commonwealth (1)

- Marquis

Not Voting (3)

: Titus, Ozgin, Drixx, Lihin

With 25 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34).

[Toon Fighter]

BBmolla, why are you still voting me? Why not chose one of the top wagons that might actually be lynched

[Marquis]

VOTE: jackel

don't want to lynch drixx

[Cerberus v666]

Unvote

Don't want to vote Drixx, the point about wagoning investigative roles resonates with me, along with the argument that one game could very well have more standard roles, makes me question voting Jackel.

ActionDan: So the distrust of Drixxs claim for you comes from the decision to say the themed name of who he's BP to, rather than the mechanical name?

[Cerberus v666]

There should be a full stop there. I dont want to vote Drixx, period. The other stuff is all relating to my unvote on jackel

[Narninian]

Vote: Drixx [/b[

Don't want to lynch Jackel

[Narninian]

vote: Drixx

[copper223]

@Cerberus
That is all well and good but it's unacceptable not to have someone you want to lynch so close to the deadline with 75 pages of content, who's the next on your list?

[Cerberus v666]

@Cerberus
That is all well and good but it's unacceptable not to have someone you want to lynch so close to the deadline with 75 pages of content, who's the next on your list?

I'm not fond of absolutes. It may be unacceptable for you, but its not for me.

[Cerberus v666]

Oh, to answer your question, I'm torn between you and Marquis. It feels like the discussion is being almost entirely driven by you, and that always makes me feel suspicious. Plus, given the large amount of conversation you've given us, a flip on either of you would tell us a lot. But I don't see much scummy in the play of either of you, other than my remaining dislike for the way Marquis originally phrased the questionabout neighbors. In the realm of reasonable lynches...boon? But I'm not especially fond of that, its really just off fluffy feeling posts iirc.

[Jackel98]

Any more questions for me that I missed?
VOTE: Drixx

[Cerberus v666]

Any more questions for me that I missed?
VOTE: Drixx

A new one. Is that a sheep vote, or a scum omg yes let's get this wagon going on someone else vote?

[LucianRoy]

I think it's more of a self-preservation vote.

[Cerberus v666]

I think it's more of a self-preservation vote.

So it's like the second half of my sentence, but without the scum tag?

[Pirate Ika]

I'm seeimg brantz more now vyse, I'll take a deeper look when i have time myself to confirm my thoughts. Copper's town for scum hunting and meta reasons.
Bro's just saying "I think Brantz is scum" and stuff. He has to catch up quite a bit as his work is taking a lot of time. We basically disagree on everything besides copper and TPTG are town.

so I...just want to get tis straight. you have trouser pple as town but not toon?

[LucianRoy]

I think it's more of a self-preservation vote.

So it's like the second half of my sentence, but without the scum tag?

I lost faith in determining whether self preservation was scum motivated or town motivated long ago. I now think it's un-indicative of alignment.

[Pirate Ika]

@ copper

I am not super confident on jackal being town I have 3 games completed games with him 2 o which he was a lurkdonothingsack who eventually replaced out. in hilarious2 he was super excited and super invested and I said, methinks jackal likes playing scum more than town but sorting other players to push his lynch on d1 but he was vigged n1 anyways. so meh. I am not committed to moving the wagon off ofhim cos I don't really have the strong meta to support it but I am not seeing anything objectively scummy that I have not seen him do as town. so he is unsure for me. I just don't understand the push on jackal when death is practically announcing that he is scum and I find wguerts the scummiest thing to slither out of a truckstop toilet.

anyways I won't be around tonight commune stuff plus I have a gorgeous man on my sofa and I am only on here now cos he is watching attack on titans which I have already seen twice.

@ mod - not sure f I said this but mollie head is v/la until monday so participation will be low and spotty