Mini 1637- Pokemon Generation I uPick (Game Over)

[pieguyn]

I did think about this. You could have tried to keep your buddy in at first, but when you saw he was going down you could have flipped your read, as to not get scrutinised too much if he would flip scum at some point (that dayphase, or this one). Hard bussing wouldn't have made much sense at that point.

except, as I just said, there was basically no pressure on him until the very end of the day phase. he was not "going down" in the slightest at the moment where I flipped my read on him. there were a few scum reads here and there, but nothing strong, no votes, and a lot of more obvious targets (Boon, Flames OTOH).

sooooooooo

Look, pieguy, scumtells are something you are more likely to do as scum than as town. You lurk more often as scum than as town, so it's a scumtell for you. It's not something that makes you 100% scum, but it's a piece of the puzzle.

yes, and I am claiming that me being apathetic is not a scum tell for me. me usually being active does not change the fact that being apathetic does not fall outside my range of behaviors as town, and that you've seen as much.

why exactly do you no longer think I'm scum?

[pieguyn]

1-shot global delayer is a viable possibility for what happened. either way, this should make more sense after mod gets here/massclaim finishes.

[pieguyn]

unvote

I don't think TS is town but I'm willing to unvote until all the role-related stuff is sorted out.

[TierShift]

Look, at the time I made my decision, the way you handled vettrock somewhat fitted into my picture. I haven't really looked back to see what happened precisely and it should not matter at all. It doesn't matter if my thought process was correct, or even logical. The only thing that matters is that you believe I had that specific thought process.

yes, and I am claiming that me being apathetic is not a scum tell for me. me usually being active does not change the fact that being apathetic does not fall outside my range of behaviors as town, and that you've seen as much.

God, do you know what probability means? Or even a scumtell at that? Try to look at my 10% example again.

why exactly do you no longer think I'm scum?

Because what you're doing right now, instead of fucking yesterday, is what I'd expect from town-you. I also think you would have played my accusation of you a bit safer and find a way to weasel out of it if my flip would actually confirm you as scum.

Plus, the story of you bussing vettrock does not make much sense. ANYMORE

[pieguyn]

God, do you know what probability means? Or even a scumtell at that? Try to look at my 10% example again.

I think we disagree here. in my view, me lurking more often as scum than town doesn't make lurking a scum tell for me.

/shrug

I might be biased bc I know that I can be lazy as town, but it only came across in the one town game up to this point. I might also be biased bc my play evolved recently and I feel like I've improved at scum in general, I just only had the one game to demonstrate it. either way, I admit I'm probably on the wrong track with this argument.

Plus, the story of you bussing vettrock does not make much sense. ANYMORE

didn't you just say in the same post where you said you didn't think I was scum (1648) that you didn't think me bussing vettrock was implausible enough to make you reconsider your read?

or was that also referring to what you were thinking on N3?

[pieguyn]

Because what you're doing right now, instead of fucking yesterday, is what I'd expect from town-you. I also think you would have played my accusation of you a bit safer and find a way to weasel out of it if my flip would actually confirm you as scum.

:/

I have a lot of doubts that you would think this, but you'd miss the obvious conclusion as to what I'd currently be doing if I was scum here.

[TierShift]

I think we disagree here. in my view,

me lurking more often as scum than town

doesn't make lurking a scum tell for me.

Definition of a scumtell: something scum do more often than town

What the f is your problem

[TierShift]

or was that also referring to what you were thinking on N3?

Everything I said was explaining my thought process N3. Almost every post of mine said that.

[TierShift]

I have a lot of doubts that you would think this, but you'd miss the obvious conclusion as to what I'd currently be doing if I was scum here.

And the very very obvious conclusion is?

[pieguyn]

I think we disagree here. in my view, me lurking more often as scum than town

doesn't make lurking a scum tell for me.

I bolded the key half of the phrase

the point I am making is that what actually happened in most of my games is not 100% indicative of what my range of behavior is actually like. and I tend to factor possibilities like this in when meta'ing someone - ex. with me, I'd be more interested in *how* I lurk when I'm town lurking as opposed to how *often* I do it. but as I said, this feels more like a playstyle issue than anything alignment relevant and I see what your point is.

And the very very obvious conclusion is?

if you think I'm scum, have you thought about the possibility I'm just trying to mislynch you in order to cancel your action?

I would think me pushing back on you would better fit the profile of someone trying to weasel out of dying as opposed to making you think I'm town for it.

[Boonskiies]

Woah, a lot of posts. Alright, I'll catch up when not on my phone.

[Bert]

Seo

Got anything to share,

Hun?

[Seohyun]

I was waiting to see if the mod would say anything.
I was thinking since I redirected tiershift -> pieguyn, that would mean tiershift wouldn't be scum. Unless something happened like a delayer or some other ability, which would mean he still could be scum. During the night I was deliberating on who could be scum and I had narrowed it down to {tiershift, pieguyn}.

Thoughts?

[Ursaring]

Due to miscommunication between Caled and myself, certain parts of the night resolution process were not carried out. I am locking the thread while we sort things out, which will hopefully take less than 30 minutes. Until then, please hold tight.

~Micc

[Ursaring]

The Night 3 resolution process has now been completed.

Edit: see update in post 1672.

[pieguyn]

Pie can confirm this, as my ability states that my target will be informed of the fact.

hi. I still don't have this.

[Flames682]

Could be a global delayer cause I got no result

[Flames682]

1-shot global delayer is a viable possibility for what happened. either way, this should make more sense after mod gets here/massclaim finishes.

Everyone needs to take a look at this post carefully. Explanation later

[Flames682]

For now

VOTE: pie

[TierShift]

I have got confirmation that my Perish Count fell to 2.

I'm wondering why yours hasn't, pie.

if you think I'm scum, have you thought about the possibility I'm just trying to mislynch you in order to cancel your action?

Uh, no, that's not how my ability works. Lynching me will NOT prevent your death.

The mod clarified that if I targeted an untargettable player, I would undergo the effects of the Perish Song, but my target wouldn't.

Anyway, I'm not today's lynch, as I can use my ability again tomorrow and hopefully confirm that I do have the ability (though I can't prove I used it this night).

Once again, pie, if you're scum and got the message, it's time to give up.

[TierShift]

I was waiting to see if the mod would say anything.
I was thinking since I redirected tiershift -> pieguyn, that would mean tiershift wouldn't be scum. Unless something happened like a delayer or some other ability, which would mean he still could be scum. During the night I was deliberating on who could be scum and I had narrowed it down to {tiershift, pieguyn}.

Thoughts?

Can you redirect kills? If so, I'm confirmed town.

[TierShift]

By the way, the mod intervention totally proves I'm not lying about receiving some information only now. Give me another explanation.

[Ursaring]

Alright,

now

I can say that all parts of the Night 3 resolution process have been completed. Apologies to all for not getting stuff perfectly straightened out on the first try.

[TierShift]

Well, pie, got something?

[Ursaring]

Bump