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[VysePresident]

If Cerberus actually is town, he should not be allowed to play outside Rome. Vyse is the closest thing to conf. scum to me, did any of you actually bother to read that "case"?

- "I "feel" your scumhunting is fake", no evidence given, this is a problem while reading the whole thing as the actual posts he quotes are distorted by his interpretation of how he says he feels about what my possible motive for doing something is, which often can be proven to be objectively false (but hey he still doesn't care, see the Drixx pearl).
- "I don't want to interact with you because I can't convince you to vote yourself", forgetting that actually figuring out my alignment should be part of the process
- "No matter (!) your read on Om and Drixx, I still have a problem with it you", well that's very indicative of your alignment rather than mine.

Are just some of the pearls in there.

VOTE: VysePresident

Does

nodody

else see the problems here? :/

That's twisting my words to a ridiculous extent. (#1 - I literally just ran over the whys & whats of what I thought was fake! #2 - I outright said I'm gauging your alignment more so than debating. #3 = Duh.)

[VysePresident]

*Nodody - In the future, the word Nodody comes to replace the word Nobody, but they share the same general meaning. Just FYI.

While I'm here, @Om - Could you possibly try to get Post #2290, and do nothing but quote 229, please?

[VysePresident]

If Cerberus actually is town, he should not be allowed to play outside Rome. Vyse is the closest thing to conf. scum to me, did any of you actually bother to read that "case"?

- "I "feel" your scumhunting is fake", no evidence given, this is a problem while reading the whole thing as the actual posts he quotes are distorted by his interpretation of how he says he feels about what my possible motive for doing something is, which often can be proven to be objectively false (but hey he still doesn't care, see the Drixx pearl).
- "I don't want to interact with you because I can't convince you to vote yourself", forgetting that actually figuring out my alignment should be part of the process
- "No matter (!) your read on Om and Drixx, I still have a problem with it you", well that's very indicative of your alignment rather than mine.

Are just some of the pearls in there.

VOTE: VysePresident

Does

nodody

else see the problems here? :/

That's twisting my words to a ridiculous extent. (#1 - I literally just ran over the whys & whats of what I thought was fake! #2 - I outright said I'm gauging your alignment more so than debating. #3 = Duh.)

Like, I really want outside opinions on this, because I'm starting to suspect Copper is trying to pull me into a tunnel, and I don't want this to get dismissed as Town vs Town.

[BBmolla]

I'm catching the fuck up today

[Magua]

UNVOTE: Jackel
VOTE: Brantz

[BBmolla]

I literally don't care if we activate my power today or not, if more people than not think I'm scum, than we probably should, otherwise I kind of think it's a waste.

[BRantz]

Alright, catching up from my trip. Will post in a little bit.

[Cerberus v666]

I literally don't care if we activate my power today or not, if more people than not think I'm scum, than we probably should, otherwise I kind of think it's a waste.

yes.

[BRantz]

Firefox is trying to ruin my life, it crashed as I finished my post.

Short and sweet version:

The wagon on me is full of opportunistic voters (Narn, ChriVi, Jackel, and Von are the most egregious), and had I been around this weekend I would have claimed a day or so ago.

CLAIM: I am a town 3-shot Psuedocider. I can remove myself from the game at any point during a day phase, and be effectively dead until the start of the next day. This lynch will not happen today unless anyone can give me better reason than Vyse that I should die.

Vyse has pushed an awful case against me and an awful case against Copper, and that is the entirety of what he has done today, all he does is yell at people to talk about me and copper, he is trying to force the town to tunnel. VOTE: VysePresident

@Lucian: Are you claiming that it is a scum tell that you had to ask me about my scum read reasons in 1926? If so that is completely awful. Also why point out the obvious about some arguments being potential noise, and the fact that there have been a lot of arguments this game without giving your opinion one which have been real and which have been noise?

The argument between Cerberus, Copper, and Trouser on page 76 feels like 3 town players to me.

Post 1877 by Drixx looks like a potential attempt to buddy. Cerberus' response to it feels town to me in 1882.

I think those are the major things.

[Titus]

I literally don't care if we activate my power today or not, if more people than not think I'm scum, than we probably should, otherwise I kind of think it's a waste.

Alignment irrelevant...early trigfer helps scum.

Brantz, trigger now. Once confirmed we can move to someone else.


Vyse is town though.

[BRantz]

K, sent request to mod. This will be my last post of the day.

[BBmolla]

that sounds like a scum role

[Drixx]

Yeah ... that definitely seems like a scum ability.

Also, why would I need to buddy one of my best friends who is only here playing because I asked him to? I'm pretty sure he's been burned by me as scum enough that buddying wouldn't work anyway. 1877 was posted to the game at large as a little background on him, and that's it. He could have said the same things himself, but it should carry more weight coming from me, don't you think?

[Cuttlefish]

BRantz has been removed from the game.

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 1.16

BBmolla (3)

- ChriVi, Ozgin, ActionDan

Drixx (2)

- Toon Fighter, Boonskiies

VysePresident (2)

- deathfisaro, copper223

Jackel98 (1)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth

ActionDan (1)

- PeregrineV

Toon Fighter (1)

- BBmolla

deathfisaro (1)

- Pirate Ika

Titus (0)

- Titus

Not Voting (13)

: Lihin, Cerberus v666, Three-Pronged Trouser God, VysePresident, Marquis, Om of the Nom, Oranje Crush, LucianRoy, Narninian, Jackel98, vonflare, Drixx, Magua

With 24 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34).

[Marquis]

duxk

[Marquis]

Vote Count 1.16

BBmolla (3)

- ChriVi, Ozgin, ActionDan

Drixx (2)

- Toon Fighter, Boonskiies

VysePresident (2)

- deathfisaro, copper223

Jackel98 (1)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth

ActionDan (1)

- PeregrineV

vonflare (1)

- BRantz

Toon Fighter (1)

- BBmolla

deathfisaro (1)

- Pirate Ika

Titus (0)

- Titus

Not Voting (13)

: Lihin, Cerberus v666, Three-Pronged Trouser God, VysePresident, Marquis, Om of the Nom, Oranje Crush, LucianRoy, Narninian, Jackel98, vonflare, Drixx, Magua

With 24 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34).

i think it's too overpowered to be scum

3-shot is easily confirmable too

also, only

(expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34)

left

drixx is town, molla idk but he's not the lynch (nor are we using that day 1), so vyse or jackel atm

VOTE: jackel

[Marquis]

actually why the fuck not

VOTE: pv

nothing useful, best compromise lurker/policy lynch today, let's do it

[ActionDan]

actually why the fuck not

VOTE: pv

nothing useful, best compromise lurker/policy lynch today, let's do it

I'm down

UNVOTE:
VOTE: PV

[Drixx]

I'm perhaps too paranoid, but I can see the 3-shot claim being a gambit to keep us from trying to lynch him again. I suppose time will tell.

So we've got almost no time left. I am not sure we're likely to learn a lot from a PV lynch, but lurksacks being gone is better than not.

VOTE: PV

[Titus]

I don't know what to think of Brantz role. It makes no sense with me tree stumping...

[Titus]

My god...we are going to no lynch and I cannot do anythingabout it...

[Cerberus v666]

That was informative, and barring multiple down day vig shots or day role blocks, feels pretty damn imbalanced for scum(though I suppose if hes the only scum, maybe he can't use that powet because he's effectively dead and thus his team loses?). Regardless of the parenthetical, feels like a town role to me.

Vote: PV

Because theres no chance of anyone else getting lynched at the rate votes happen, and lurkers work for PL.

[LucianRoy]

Not enough time to do anything else...
VOTE: PeregrineV

We were always set out for doom anyway.

[vonflare]

Im reluctant to lynch a lurker, and ive only read this page, but I hear no-lynch is bad, so

VOTE: perigreneV

sorry