Mini 1649: Jabberwocky Mafia (Game Over)

[farside22]

Meh the only thing I can find in my research is suicidal bomber. Usually a trigger or if scum thinks they will be targetted it can be activated.
I half wondered at a sk in the game since nothing about doing suicide for scum night 1 makes sense unless something is gained for doing it.

[Titus]

That role is different than the suicidal modifier. That has a wiki page.

Suicidal bomber would not implode on night 1 when universally townread. I had that role. It was my favorite scumgame ever.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

First of all if Axxle knew of his suicidal status, then I wouldn't try getting an association out of that slot. He would've had an upper hand on info and could easily manipulate the association, especially with those type of post that makes anyone not want to read that.

[farside22]

That role is different than the suicidal modifier. That has a wiki page.

Suicidal bomber would not implode on night 1 when universally townread. I had that role. It was my favorite scumgame ever.

That is why the suicide is throwing me off.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Oh actually, I don't think Axxle killed himself.
I think I know exactly what happened but I won't be discussing that for now.

[Titus]

Oh actually, I don't think Axxle killed himself.
I think I know exactly what happened but I won't be discussing that for now.

Can you say what you think his suicide condition was? If the scumteam still had their kill?

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I couldn't care less about his suicide condition.
All I care is that he most likely didn't kill himself and was killed by different factor.

[Elbirn]

I've considered that Axle's role made him suicide if town was lynched d1, but that doesn't explain why scum didn't powerbus him d1 for town cred.

It seems extremely likely he was vigged.

I have thought that powerbussing might have happened though hence why flub is awkward.


@Elbrim, Because I want to be insane town Titus.

Let's lynch farside.

Hm. Why? I'm not opposed to it, but I'd much prefer a Beli lynch today. I also don't get why you in particular want a Far lynch, searching your ISO shows you townread her all Day 1...?

I don't see very much interaction with axel and vm.
I also support the beli wagon I agree with elb.

...So follow up with a vote?
I mean I get you two are buddies and all but you could at least try not to be so obvious about it.

*snip*
I don't think that is something scum would do with a suicidal partner....

I'm thinking about it and I don't see how the suicidal part matters. You're basically saying that if scum have a partner who could die (so, scum has a partner, period.) they wouldn't act wishy-washy toward them. Because that would look suspicious. So we should only be looking at solid reads. Because that's what scum should do, amirite, have solid reads when it comes to their partners? *Sips wine*

will do ISO reads with axle and tell you guys what I think

This is problematic though. Considering that axle likely knew he was going to die then I would venture a guess that he would have been interacting with that very thought in his mind.

Pretty much anytime I look at his posts it becomes a giant befuddled WIFOM. I am not sure we can draw anything concrete from his posts.

Again I know literally none of you agree with me, but Team Scum totally didn't expect an Axle death N1. Which would throw their plans out of whack. Telling us not to look at our only conf-scum for evidence strikes me as odd as well...

[Titus]

I couldn't care less about his suicide condition.
All I care is that he most likely didn't kill himself and was killed by different factor.

I care where his scumkill went.

[Titus]

@Elbrin, If Flubber is scum, your assertion is wrong.

[Elbirn]

Great, I try to break up my post without hitting preview and I screwed up the quotes ;_;

Where is the reasoning on beli?

Yesterday I understood the case - he was defending BR a lot - to much particularly with the scum case around him. Now we have a flip and BR was town - that certainly does not lead me to scum. Then he jumped on my wagon with a weak reason but a reason nonetheless. There was some early pressuring titus but nothing that was scum worthy IMHO.

Even with BRantz flipping town. His logic on not voting BRantz, and then on voting you, contradicted itself. I see scum who has to make up what he believes/thinks. His defense of BRantz doesn't make any sense regardless, it's like he had an agenda of buddying up to him. Beli's also a good scum player, one that I would see dropping fake associative tells on innocents, and I think that's what he was trying to do here. And I mean, it doesn't hurt that he pretty much admitted it.

My gut says he would scumbuddy town to set up false associatives for after he dies.

Your gut doesn't say that, my posts in our scum PT in our mutual scumgame says that.

Wherefore art thou trying to take credit?

Rereading this, it's like, "You figured me out, but only cuz I told you!"

BRantz flipping town doesn't lead me to scum so much as it does nothing to dissuade me from what I already think. And I think Beli's scum and I want him ded

[Elbirn]

@Elbrin, If Flubber is scum, your assertion is wrong.

I don't think Flubbers vig claim matters, even if he's lying scum, there's totally a vig in game.

...Or a Serial Killer.

Oh lol Flubbers a Serial Killer, I get it now.

[goodmorning]

"Suicidal" in Axle's role is indeed referring to the modifier.

Apologies if I have not previously made that clear.

To further clarify: I cannot tell you anything beyond what you would find at the Wiki page for this modifier.

[farside22]

Elb: if all your going to do is snip out my comments and not read the full quote, don't expect me to be nice after towards you.

Like for example why is titus voting me over beli if you scum read both of us.
Why is vm who scum read titus and promised some meta suddenly not pushing that or showing that scum read.

But hey you want to continue tunneling be my guest you saw where that lead with brantz.

[T S O]

Vote Belisarius, or explain why you're not doing so.

[Titus]

@Elbrin, If Flubber is scum, your assertion is wrong.

I don't think Flubbers vig claim matters, even if he's lying scum, there's totally a vig in game.

...Or a Serial Killer.

Oh lol Flubbers a Serial Killer, I get it now.

It does because if Flubber knew that Axle would die...at some point.. then claiming Axle should be vigged is excellent play. It establishes a scumread preflip.

[Titus]

Elb: if all your going to do is snip out my comments and not read the full quote, don't expect me to be nice after towards you.

Like for example why is titus voting me over beli if you scum read both of us.
Why is vm who scum read titus and promised some meta suddenly not pushing that or showing that scum read.

But hey you want to continue tunneling be my guest you saw where that lead with brantz.

I has reasons. :p

[Titus]

Vote Belisarius, or explain why you're not doing so.

Beli + far buddies?

[Flubbernugget]

@Elbrin, If Flubber is scum, your assertion is wrong.

I don't think Flubbers vig claim matters, even if he's lying scum, there's totally a vig in game.

...Or a Serial Killer.

Oh lol Flubbers a Serial Killer, I get it now.

I never claimed vig...

[TierShift]

will do ISO reads with axle and tell you guys what I think

This is problematic though. Considering that axle likely knew he was going to die then I would venture a guess that he would have been interacting with that very thought in his mind.

Pretty much anytime I look at his posts it becomes a giant befuddled WIFOM. I am not sure we can draw anything concrete from his posts.

I disagree. Scum always try to muddy up associative tells, but part of why they work despite that, is because scum isn't very good at muddying them up and that they're quite strong tells.

I thought I saw dissonance between your way of looking at axle for associatives and your actual associatives with him.

I don't understand what this means. What exactly do you think you saw?

I saw you suggesting he was a good vig target as distancing and a possible attempt to waste a town kill. However it is more likely that you share my sentiments of how apathetic his posting can make a game.

Then where is the dissonance you are talking about?

Mollie, you never like me.

Tier seems to know a lot about a suicidal role that the mod is conviently unable to clarify.

If I were scum, I'd 100% not share what the role was, know that. I hang around a lot in the "Open setup ideas and discussion thread" and I've seen the modifier come by a few times. It always meant what I described it as.

Again I know literally none of you agree with me, but Team Scum totally didn't expect an Axle death N1. Which would throw their plans out of whack. Telling us not to look at our only conf-scum for evidence strikes me as odd as well...

What the f do you think the suicidal modifier means? For real, it's obvious that he suicided.

It does because if Flubber knew that Axle would die...at some point.. then claiming Axle should be vigged is excellent play. It establishes a scumread preflip.

No, flub did not express a scumread. He expressed exactly what I expressed: an extreme disgust with axle's posting style, which is a complete liability to town.

[TierShift]

Beli I asked you a few questions, please respond.

[Flubbernugget]

@tier the dissonance between looking at axle's posting for associatives while potentially having dropped scummy associatives yourself.

But I've already expressed this assertion was wrong, and dissonance was a really innacurate word to have used anyway.

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: beli sheeping a wagon

[Valkyrie Mollie]

@Mod: In a hypothetical situation of mafia kill, vig kill, and suicidal death all happening to one poor sap at night, which kill flavor precedes which?

[Titus]

So are you saying scum shot Axle deliberately... ROTFL.