Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Magua]

Vote Count 1.4

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Lady Lambdadelta (2): Cephrir, Rhinox
TierShift (2): shos, Lady Lambdadelta
xRECKONERx (1): TierShift
T-Bone (1): copper223
Who (1): Cabd
Cabd (1): xRECKONERx
Katsuki (1): Iecerint

Not Voting (4): Katsuki, notscience, T-Bone, Who

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, April 15th, at 12:00 noon EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-04-15 11:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-	50
Cephrir	-	50
copper223	-	50
Iecerint	-	50
Katsuki	-	50
Lady Lambdadelta	-	50
notscience	-	50
Rhinox	-	50
shos	-	50
T-Bone	-	50
TierShift	-	50
Who	-	50
xRECKONERx	-	50

[Cephrir]

Oh my vote is still in RVS

Vote Reck

[shos]

mine too

it'll do better here
VOTE: LLD

[Cephrir]

Why?

[TierShift]

@Tier: You've been suspecting reck for a lot of the same reasons as me while calling me an idiot. I don't know why you're jumping down everyone's throats and getting pissy at everyone on page 5, last time I played with you you were pretty calm and not an ass for no reason.

Are we suspecting reck for the same reasons? I don't get that from your posts.

shos, opinion on reck?

[Cephrir]

Partially yeah (the attack on cabd being weak as shit, primarily)

[shos]

Why?

Why not?

@Tier: You've been suspecting reck for a lot of the same reasons as me while calling me an idiot. I don't know why you're jumping down everyone's throats and getting pissy at everyone on page 5, last time I played with you you were pretty calm and not an ass for no reason.

Are we suspecting reck for the same reasons? I don't get that from your posts.

shos, opinion on reck?

mehtown

[Cephrir]

You implied that your vote was serious.

I interpret this as meaning you have a reason.

Are you just giving me the run-around in the hopes of getting me pissed off, or what?

Why are your opinions both elusive and shitty?

[shos]

mebbe
yes
no
because we're still in RVS the way I see it

[Cephrir]

I can see you're going to be more fun than a barrel of monkeys.

[TierShift]

mehtown

becos why

[TierShift]

we're also ages past RVS so stop that line of reasoning. You've got some reads, so why aren't you voting there?

[Rhinox]

2. Im always against - here too.

why would you suggest an alternative PL if you were completely against PLing?

Couple thoughts from my team:

Oversoul thinks Reck's double posting of "mobile posting" was weird, but laughed at some of your posts and called it "typical reck".

My team is currently split on Ceph - one teamate thinks ceph is probably town because he's active and wants to play and would be drained from having a scum role, but another teamate says that Ceph prefers scum roles.

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LLD, as town what do you hope to gain by insulting everyone? And complaining about activity less than 24 hours into the game roughly 6 hours after your first post in the game? I mean, if this game is so far beneath you feel free to bugger off and swap with one of your teamates.

[Rhinox]

This doesn't make sense. First off, he posted it so early in the game that there wasn't even anything else for him to try and avoid talking about. Second, something something starting a policy lynch is a null tell.

Driving the conversation towards theory/setup/speculation allows scum to not contribute anything to the game. I've hidden behind it several times as scum. It's not about what he was avoiding THERE, it's about the direction he was heading. We have now had several pages of people claiming roles and wondering AHHH WHERE ARE THE OLD ROLE CLAIMS and it's just silly.

Why would you post your previous role in your first post in the thread if this was how you felt about discussing previous roles?

[Cephrir]

My team is currently split on Ceph - one teamate thinks ceph is probably town because he's active and wants to play and would be drained from having a scum role, but another teamate says that Ceph prefers scum roles.

I don't want to get into extended conversations about my meta but I should get this out of the way at some point.

It is true that I prefer scum roles in general, but I have rolled it a lot lately. In fact, I put tokens on town here. Ordinarily I can reliably be lynched if I look town and you'll get a high success rate, because being scum thrills me and makes me want to do well. However, I can energize myself for town games by channeling a certain mindset, which is what I'm doing. If you're interested in doing meta on me this game, you'll want to look at my games playing under this persona -- this one and this one -- hence the avatar change.

[Rhinox]

It's been too long since I've played to rely on meta too heavily. I can't even figure out who you were in those 2 games you linked too . I'll just take your word for it/rely on my teammates for most meta things.

Speaking of players I actually do have familiarity with, where is the Cupcake? He posted in another game since this one started?

Also, I think we should lynch shos.

VOTE: shos

[Cephrir]

The one with this avatar, naturally.

VOTE: shos

As a wise man once said, why not?

[notscience]

Shos lld and muffincat need to claim their prior roles.

[xRECKONERx]

Also to note: There was board game mafia a while back, and I don't know the current validity of this or not, but Morph (him/ffery) made a comment about how the pro-town charter that was presented (essentially, it was like "be protown! we agree to be protown and have fun!') and their comment was "If we were scum, we would just spend the majority of day 1 outlining this contract." so yes, I do see why that might be an issue, but I think it's only an issue if thats all he does today. ie, you might have jumped the gun a bit on that.

I'm not very good at waiting around. I do things. Then I do more things based on the results of the things I did. Perhaps I did jump the gun, but I saw something that struck me as scummy, and I did things.

[xRECKONERx]

@Reck
I don't think what Cabd did there was setup speculating for the sake of it there, when he pulled the setup spec. card in Poe he tried to influence what we believed about it whereas here he made it an open discussion, the PL I am not so fond of because I've seen scum hide behind it to avoid having to find legit reasons to scumread players they know are town, so if that's all he does I'll reconsider, for now this seems, tonewise as well, more like the Rome town Cabd rather than the Poe scum Medea.

I haven't decided if your push is legit town or scum finding something to push on, I think I am biased on this read cause I didn't appreciate your playstile the first time we played so I want to scumread you, which might funnily enough make me overcompensate towards town when I shouldn't if that makes sense.

What's the pro-town benefit of setup speculation discussion? It's not even current setup spec -- it's setup spec from a completely unrelated game. It is not productive, it's anti-productive. It's a distraction. I don't particularly give a shit about meta or anything, so that piece of the argument falls flat for me. For me, analyzing that within the context of this game alone, it's sketchy.

At least you can admit your bias.

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah this is shit I'm pretty happy with my vote

WHy is it shit

Because there was obviously no intent to avoid engaging this game by cabd and you made it seem like there was. You seemed to be pretty certain in your read but now that there's resistance to your read you try to justify it with even more bullshit ('it was just about the direction he was heading') which is put forward more as an excuse for scumreading him than as a read you believe in. Town don't need to make excuses for reads, they believe in reads.

Seriously, people, read 104 and see it's a fucking excuse.

"Obviously no intent"? How is it obvious? He brought up setup speculation about a completely unrelated game that has no actual impact or anything on this game and asked for EVERY PLAYER IN THE GAME to engage in said useless bullshit setup speculation. How is that "obviously" not engaging?

Bringing that up dictates the course of the early phase of this game and that course is shitty and not productive and bullshit. It's scummy enough,

especially so early on D1

, to warrant a push.

Your defense of him is really cute though

[xRECKONERx]

You should have held on to this, if you're town. He made one post about it. If he continued to harp on setup spec for 10 pages, you might have had a case, but one post is one post. Did it look like he might continue to do more of it? Yeah, it sure did, but that didn't actually happen. It really is silly, though; we've learned exactly one thing and that's that the mod can be expected to try to fuck with our heads, but you should always expect good mods to fuck with your head anyway.

I didn't like you calling him "actually scum" without waiting to see if things would really play out that way. On its own, that one post is a pretty flimsy reason, and I don't think anyone should have strong beliefs based on it alone.

I'm constantly baffled by the idea of policy lynches, but I haven't noticed one alignment as more likely to advocate them, especially Day 1.

I don't wait around, sorry. And I don't want fifteen pages of people rambling about setup speculation before I go "AHA! NOW THAT WE'VE WASTED ALL THIS TIME, YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD!". Not my style, and not something I'm interested in doing this game. Read my above post for more context.

It's early D1. I'd say pushing for nonproductive setup speculation + a weak sauce policy lynch is better reasoning to vote someone than stupid fucking RVS bullshit. Like it was strong enough that I didn't feel like engaging in RVS and wanted to get straight to meat & potatoes.

Re: policy lynching-- I don't know the numbers on whether one alignment does it more than another. I do know that unless it's a very SPECIFIC situation (like, Nobody Special), then it usually lacks any sort of pro-town motivation behind it. It's super easy for scum to just go RABBLE RABBLE TUNNEL TUNNEL POLICY LYNCH and not really engage with the game. I have done it pleeeenty of times.

And now Cabd hasn't posted in 24 hours after the shitstorm kicked up, despite being around the site yesterday evening and late last night.

[Cephrir]

It's early D1.

This is what I wanted you to say all along. I'm fine with you suspecting him, but didn't believe in the level of certainty you had.

[Cephrir]

notscience, any commentary relevant to the actual game events?

[copper223]

What's the pro-town benefit of setup speculation discussion? It's not even current setup spec -- it's setup spec from a completely unrelated game. It is not productive, it's anti-productive. It's a distraction. I don't particularly give a shit about meta or anything, so that piece of the argument falls flat for me. For me, analyzing that within the context of this game alone, it's sketchy.

At least you can admit your bias.

You don't know if there is a correlation between the roles of the prior setup and the new ones, from the roles you all said you received I suspect there is one so the discussion is not useless, there are other ways where discussion of past roles can be useful as well.

I could make the same argument for RVS you just mad for Cabd proposing that discussion, it's not productive because all of us here know how it goes, it's anti-productive, it's a distraction, it's scum indicative that you RVS voted ... (if you space the logical jumps from A to D by putting in B and C to make it look reasonable it still is absurd when you connect the dots).

I do think it's possible you are strirring things up as town and some pressure on Cabd is fine by me.