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[Boonskiies]

@Egg - your team is saying that? Interesting, why would your team know more so than you? You are the most experienced with me on your team. To be fair, I don't even believe I'm being a liability at all this game. Explain?

[Boonskiies]

Also they say they think I'm playing towards my scum meta yet are bringing up me using self meta, which is a very town meta thing I do. My team doesn't agree with me voting Jason. I like causing commotion for the sake of reactions. I believe that should be obvious at this point.

Unvote

[Egg]

Unvote

Fenchurch, Sthar wanted you to "expound" or something.

Boon, Cheet and Tier said your stuff about telling everyone you hammer your strongest town read and stuff is an attempt to look like VI. Not sure why you think I said they know more than I do about your meta? I'm relaying what they said and I asked you what they wanted me to ask you.

Also, I've skimmed since my last post, not properly read. Stuff just came up. See my sig.

[jasonT1981]

Also they say they think I'm playing towards my scum meta yet are bringing up me using self meta, which is a very town meta thing I do

can you back this up? Show me a few games please where you use self meta as town

And can you link a few town games too, please.

[Egg]

Boon, Cheet says you self meta'd quite a bit in your scum game with him. The Burning?

[Boonskiies]

Jason, yes. I can. I'll do that once I get to a computer.

Oh, god. The Burning. I tried my hardest there end game to play my town meta. If you check that game, Cheetory also went on and said that my game there was VERY similar to my town meta. So I fail to see why he's using that as an example. Also, Pieguyn was my scum partner there, and we were hard bussing each other, so completely mimicking my town meta was all I was going for at that point in time. If you check, my high levels of frustration is where I'm usually most alignment indicative. It helped that I was bussing my partner during that, or else I wouldn't have been able to mimic my meta so well. I'll post links once I get to a computer.

[jasonT1981]

Also they say they think I'm playing towards my scum meta

yet are bringing up me using self meta, which is a very town meta thing I do

. My team doesn't agree with me voting Jason. I like causing commotion for the sake of reactions. I believe that should be obvious at this point.

Unvote

BINGO DING DING DING WE HAVE A SCUMMER

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Lots of self meta here, from scum Boon.

And lots of the 'this is what I do as town not scum'

And lookie here from that game

It's self meta. Like how I say that I hammer people at L-1 on Day 1 without much resent when I'm town

And look at this.. exactly the same

Again, hi. Jason...My name is Boonskiies. I'm known to hammer my biggest town read on occasion without letting them claim in a moment's notice. Mainly when I'm town! Me OMGUS'ing is nothing.

Same exact argument used as scum

Eat the fucking noose ASAP. This guy is scum. 100%

[jasonT1981]

Well, not exact same, but very similar. This guy is scum. Eat the noose ASAP. Boasting about how he will hammer town in scum game, and boasting about it here.

thats how I see it as exact same (in scum meta boon)

[jasonT1981]

So we have a scum meta match from Cheet in the burning - according to Egg
And now a scum meta match in Pokemon.

[Boonskiies]

Mm, now look at my town games...I said I'd link later.

[Boonskiies]

Read Ninja Mafia, there's one.

[jasonT1981]

you're scum, eat noose

[sthar8]

I already answered about the Fenchurch and Delta things. They read as trying to appear to contribute rather than truly find scum.

Except you were completely wrong about what was going on there. You theoretically based your conclusion on a misunderstanding of what was happening, then when corrected insist that your conclusion still holds with no evidence.

On Boon, he was getting at the fact that Pie knows he is mislynch bait as town so if Pie was town, why list Boon as a town read?

What part of this was supposed to be obvious to me? Just like with all your other accusations, you're assuming I have all the information you do.

Still, he admitted that was a weak read and you (you're not the only one) are acting like he said Pie was confirmed town for that.

Whoa! He admitted it was a weak read

after

I questioned him on it. Also, show your damn work. Where did I suggest or imply that he said pie was confirmed? You don't get to just make shit up.

I'd be absolutely shocked if Jason was dumb enough as scum to push you as a lurker vote with a scumbuddy who is a worse offender of the same thing. That's just asking to be connected later on. Even if you haven't played with Jason, surely you realize this is a strong playerlist.

This is atrociously fallacious in addition to being unevenly applied, and are you planning on making a pie with all the cherries you're picking? To reiterate, the point was to see whether he was pushing me based on policy or a bad argument. Drawing a connection with delta was a useful potential consequence. Assuming that even seasoned players cannot make mistakes is fantastically shitty play, especially since there was a further benefit and no risk associated.

Ok, so why is Thor vs STD town vs town then?

I can be more specific later, but for now my impression was that neither party was informed when they began their interactions. It looks like they were genuinely trying to figure each other out.

VOTE: Egg
He's not looking for scum, he's looking for an easy case to push and he's trying to scare me off scumhunting.

I need to think about boon v jason more, and look pie over again. Pie obviously looks way better if boon flips scum.

back later.

[sthar8]

Read Ninja Mafia, there's one.

This needs to be a link if you want me to look at it.

[Boonskiies]

I was referring to Jason, as I said I would link some games, which I'm about to do. He went ahead and read my scum games without reading my town ones and made rash assumptions. Granted, I'm going to take my teams' word for it, and look at Jason doing everything from a Town perspective.

[Boonskiies]

=24184]Ninja Mafia
Puppies
Sycamore Shuffle
=24184]Mismatched UPick (I feel this one shows some of my more foolish/crazy town meta.
Formerfish's First Foray

These are all my town games. In some of them it shows that I am actually a pretty strong town player come later in the game, and is indeed NOT a liability to town.

[Boonskiies]

Ninja Mafia
Puppies
Sycamore Shuffle
Mismatched UPick (I feel this one shows some of my more foolish/crazy town meta.
Formerfish's First Foray
Masquerade

Correction, these are some of my town games. I have more. Also, I fixed the quotes.

In some of them it shows that I am actually a pretty strong town player come later in the game, and is indeed NOT a liability to town.

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.5:

jasonT1981 (3)-

Thor665, Micc, Fenchurch

Boonskiies (2)-

jasonT1981, Trojan Horse

Egg (2)-

Deltawave, sthar8

Micc (1)-

Malakittens

Malakittens (1)-

Pieguyn

DeltaWave (1)-

SleepyKrew

Thor665 (1)-

Save The Dragons

Not Voting (2)-

Boonskiies, Egg

The deadline is at 6pm on Tuesday 14th April 2015. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[Boonskiies]

ISO me and you can see I'm full of self meta.

[SleepyKrew]

ISO me and you can see I'm full of self meta.

I haven't clicked on anything and am only half paying attention, but would you be so kind as to tell me if I'm misinterpreting the situation?
Boon: "It's my town meta to self-meta."
jason: "You've said this before as scum haha eat noose."
Boon: "I am ignoring that and instead linking town games!"

[Trojan Horse]

ISO me and you can see I'm full of self meta.

So I see. Then perhaps you should change your meta. It's not helping.

Sigh... I'm putting Boon back into the "can't read him yet" category.

UNVOTE: Boon
VOTE: jason

[Fenchurch]

Fenchurch, Sthar wanted you to "expound" or something.

Oh okay. I already answered that in #150, and I don't have much to add right now. I still find jason overall scummiest, and would like to hear recent opinions on jason from anyone who hasn't already given one.

Not sure why you think I said they know more than I do about your meta

I don't think that's the point Boon was making. It was more, why are you relying on their reads, instead of your own, when you know him better. Is this the case? What is your own read on Boon?

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Re-reading Mala, I notice she asked jason a question about SK, which I beleive still hasn't been answered.

Actually

vote: SK

While I do not see the initial posts as scum or scum motivated. The avoidance of giving any opinion of his own is telling

I dislike this post a lot though.

Jason can you clarify that you don't believe SK is posting scummy or even scum motivated then why are you voting him? It seems like you are trying to call for a policy lynch on SK more than anything else.

[Malakittens]

It didn't strengthen my feelings either way, I still don't have a strong read. I agree with some of your points and disagree slightly with others, but nothing that seems important to discuss. I am curious what point Iec made and what you "seeing" in my posts.

Well there was a question in which you didn't answer so next time you are reading if you could that would make me happy.

Also in regards to boon, I'm putting him selfmeta'ing not as a scum or town tell. It seems like it comes up on both alignments so it's more null than anything else.

UNVOTE: Micc

I need to go get some food and church and then I'm going to tackle something and I'll be back to look some stuff over.

[Boonskiies]

It didn't strengthen my feelings either way, I still don't have a strong read. I agree with some of your points and disagree slightly with others, but nothing that seems important to discuss. I am curious what point Iec made and what you "seeing" in my posts.

Well there was a question in which you didn't answer so next time you are reading if you could that would make me happy.

Also in regards to boon, I'm putting him selfmeta'ing not as a scum or town tell. It seems like it comes up on both alignments so it's more null than anything else.

UNVOTE: Micc

I need to go get some food and church and then I'm going to tackle something and I'll be back to look some stuff over.

I say this myself in games. Don't use my self-meta as alignment indicative. It's just food for though. I just say things...actually. That's pretty much what it is.

[Boonskiies]

ISO me and you can see I'm full of self meta.

I haven't clicked on anything and am only half paying attention, but would you be so kind as to tell me if I'm misinterpreting the situation?
Boon: "It's my town meta to self-meta."
jason: "You've said this before as scum haha eat noose."
Boon: "I am ignoring that and instead linking town games!"

He was saying that since I did it as scum, that it was my scum meta. I'm proving to him that it is absolutely not alignment indicative and can't be used as reasoning to lynch me, as it's just false as I do it as both alignments.