Corpse Party Mafia [WRONG END]

notscience · Post Post #1125 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:40 am

↑ White Narcissus wrote:If she was truly town why did she need to setup a pre-emptive soft claim defense?

This is a good point, I'm not sure.

White Narcissus · Post Post #1126 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:49 am

Sigh, im just gonna take a break from this game for tonight (and probably stream some), a lot of possible scenarios are going around in my head
~Sakura

ZeL1nK2 · Post Post #1127 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:52 am

I don't really care if it's considered anti-town to mention this, but Shadowcat is clearly setting up for a claim that revolves around manipulating darkness in some way (either by protecting from it or decreasing it somehow). Just keep that in mind if she eventually claims something different.

That said, if this is what she's setting up for, I doubt scum were given two very similar fake-claims (at least in the nature of them), so she'd probably be town for it. And it would make some sense of the way they voted lufan (which looks not-so-great by itself but not really if it was role-related). And I'm perfectly aware if Shadowcat is scum, this gives them a heads-up to make a fake-claim that would fit this if they weren't already planning it, but that comes with its own problems if they decide to do this.

ZeL1nK2 · Post Post #1128 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:22 am

Also I've been wanting to do this for a while now, so I'm just going to get it out of the way now.

Life is like a hurricane here in Corpse Party
Hydras, lurkers, scum wagons, it's a corpse blur
Might solve a mystery, or rewrite history

Corpse Party! Woo-oo!
Every day they're out there playing
Corpse Party! Woo-oo!
Posts of derring-do, bad and good
Corpse Party! Woo-oo!

D-d-danger lurks behind you
There's a stranger out to find you
What to do? Just grab on to some: Thor and Loki

I feel like something's been lifted off my chest now. Actually, I'm not at all certain that you're scum, but I don't really like the way you've approached this game and this recent conversation isn't changing that. Disclaimer here is that if Skold is scum, I'm doubting you're scum, so whether or not I move this entirely depends on what I see from Skold and whether or not I like it. Or whether or not you do something that makes me think you're not scum struggling to come up with a pool of players you can push.

Anyway, when you get time to read over Mikazuki and the rest of the players you're considering as scum, Loki, I'd like to talk about that in more depth. I'd also prefer these reads to be a bit clearer (like, not "Anamikus could be scum who was bussing, who knows?!?!? Anything is possible in the magical land of mystery!").

Also, I'll probably be going back over the way the lufan wagon built up and I suppose I'll talk about some of my issues with you re: that when I do.

ZeL1nK2 · Post Post #1129 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:25 am

If you've gone to sleep, then I suppose I'll take a nap and we can try to synchronise waking up together and then we can have a fun party (with fun party games like "discussing reads") by ourselves without notscience's (probably awful-tasting) tea. Sounds like a plan to me.

ZeL1nK2 · Post Post #1130 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:49 am

↑ Shadowcat wrote:There was a point in the discussion about the scum team flavor and I saw something that looked like really awkward, that looked like he had the role/flavor character in question.

I just didn't like it. From reading what Pie said looks like scum could potentially look like they can raise more than one person in a night so I took his question like scum going why the fuck weren't you killed type thing.

This doesn't make sense. Unless your theory is that Taly was a third-party or scum-that-isn't-me kill. Or, for whatever reason, you think group-scum can increase darkness enough to kill two people N1.

Also, it seems a reasonably fair assumption that scum can calculate end-of-day darkness by themselves, so I wouldn't need to ask that as scum. The reason I asked (which I've already made clear a couple times now, but you seem to be ignoring) is because it's potentially useful information to know whether it's a straight 4x increase of darkness or whether a hidden darkness mechanic was playing a part separate to the publicly known increases of darkness (votes and 48-hour periods). If both notscience and T&L had 8% darkness at the end of the day, it's a reasonable assumption that Sachiko is a 4x darkness multiplier. If they had, say, 6%, then there was some other darkness-increasing factor in play yesterday and figuring that out at some point could be useful.

I'm yet to see elaboration on the reasons you think I'm scum. Presumably you and your other head have touched base on this at some point in the last week. Can you talk about why exactly you think I'm scum (or scummy or whatever) in slightly more detail?

ZeL1nK2 · Post Post #1131 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:12 pm

Corpse Party spoiler: In a truly epic plot twist, you find out that Sachiko was actually Casper, the ghost who was not-so-friendly after all.

Pseudo-Votecount 2.2

Shadowcat (3)

: White Narcissus, SXTLHGaiden, Zymf

Skold (2)

: Thor and Loki, notscience

ZeL1nK2 (1)

: Shadowcat

Thor and Loki (1)

: ZeL1nK2

Not Pseudo-Voting (5)

: Ankamius, Skold, ZZZX, Mikazuki, Witness Protection

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to Pseudo-lynch. We're aiming for a lynch within (expired on 2015-04-07 00:00:30).

Spoiler: DAY ONE PSEUDO-VOTECOUNTS

Spoiler: DAY TWO PSEUDO-VOTECOUNTS

Shadowcat · Post Post #1132 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:42 pm

↑ ZeL1nK2 wrote:I'm yet to see elaboration on the reasons you think I'm scum. Presumably you and your other head have touched base on this at some point in the last week. Can you talk about why exactly you think I'm scum (or scummy or whatever) in slightly more detail?

The reason I haven't been able to do this yet is because it involves going back over a good part of the Day 1 posts (not just your ISO) to find again the things I saw which made me suspect you. With the kids off school and college for the Easter holidays I haven't been able to concentrate on it as much as thought I would. Today it's been as much as I could do just to keep up with reading the new posts.

~ H

notscience · Post Post #1133 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:44 pm

My tea parties are actually pretty kicking affairs.

ZeL1nK2 · Post Post #1134 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:21 pm

↑ Shadowcat wrote:The reason I haven't been able to do this yet is because it involves going back over a good part of the Day 1 posts (not just your ISO) to find again the things I saw which made me suspect you.

So you and your other head both independently arrived at the conclusion I'm scum without discussing any specifics? Just something like:

"Oh, wow. This ZeL1nK dude is one of the coolest and most awesome dudes ever. But I think he's scum."
"Yeah I wholeheartedly agree with that statement."
"OK."

Conversation over?

notscience · Post Post #1135 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:22 pm

If they agree on the conclusion why bother discussing it?

ZeL1nK2 · Post Post #1136 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:30 pm

That is a good attitude to have. Why do people bother to discuss anything?

notscience · Post Post #1137 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:32 pm

Did I say not discuss anything?

No, I said not discuss if they agreed on the conclusion.

Ankamius · Post Post #1138 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:35 pm

I got distracted for most of the day and I'm going to be asleep before too long.

Tomorrow's the last day I work for half a week though, so you all will probably be seeing me more than usual.

ZeL1nK2 · Post Post #1139 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:42 pm

↑ notscience wrote:Did I say not discuss anything?

No, I said not discuss if they agreed on the conclusion.

Yes, I know what you said.

It is the equivalent of saying, "well, everyone in my neighbourhood grew up believing that aliens take people up into their fancy spaceships and probe them so there's never been a need to question the evidence!"

It's very fruitful to have discussions like that.

notscience · Post Post #1140 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:43 pm

Actually everyone in my neighborhood grew up thinking nachos were evil, but...

ZeL1nK2 · Post Post #1141 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:44 pm

Everyone in your neighbourhood was right.

ZeL1nK2 · Post Post #1142 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:45 pm

That is the one belief you should never question, by the way. No discussion required.

ZeL1nK2 · Post Post #1143 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:54 pm

Oh. Also, Loki, can you remind me how Gaiden went from scum->town->probably town->scummy again?

What happened to the pebbles? Did someone knock them over?

Mikazuki · Post Post #1144 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:00 pm

↑ Zymf wrote:I only skimmed the thread since my last post.. so we are pushing on Shadowcat? Fine by me:

p-vote: Shadowcat

Though what about Zelink, wasn't he our main suspect?

So do you actually have any thoughts on the Shadowcat wagon or are you just gonna leave your vote and wait for more stuff to develop?

@Zelink 1069 I actually got the opposite impression from that interaction when I saw lufan's post about it being the only name he remembered (or something similar), although it just could be a random fake read since he also scumread notscience earlier and I'm fairly happy with my NS townread.

Not sure about the Skold wagon yet since my read is still null, although I'd be happy to push it somewhat to get a better read at least, and then see where that goes. Going to wait for him to post more since he said he should have more time now due to easter holidays.

So Skold, what are your reads so far? Same question to ZZZX for when he gets back.

ZeL1nK2 · Post Post #1145 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:14 pm

It is a strange interaction if it was newbie-scum interacting with a scum buddy.

Newbiescum: "My scum buddy isn't posting much so I'm calling him scum."
Scum buddy: "What? That doesn't make sense."
Newbiescum: "Oh whoops, you're posting so now my point is invalid."

I don't know. I kind of expect newbie-scum to either not draw attention to a scum buddy like that or do it in a different way. The way he reacted looked a little to me like, "oops, I've just accused a town player of being scum for not-very-good reasons and I'm about to get called on it so I better retract it!"

Mikazuki · Post Post #1146 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:20 pm

↑ ZeL1nK2 wrote:It is a strange interaction if it was newbie-scum interacting with a scum buddy.

Newbiescum: "My scum buddy isn't posting much so I'm calling him scum."
Scum buddy: "What? That doesn't make sense."
Newbiescum: "Oh whoops, you're posting so now my point is invalid."

I don't know. I kind of expect newbie-scum to either not draw attention to a scum buddy like that or do it in a different way. The way he reacted looked a little to me like, "oops, I've just accused a town player of being scum for not-very-good reasons and I'm about to get called on it so I better retract it!"

Yeah that's fair, it just rubbed me the wrong way since that post was also the one who cemented my scum read on him, and the singling out felt strange, but your explanation is certainly valid.

Mikazuki · Post Post #1147 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:21 pm

↑ Shadowcat wrote:There was a point in the discussion about the scum team flavor and I saw something that looked like really awkward, that looked like he had the role/flavor character in question.

I just didn't like it. From reading what Pie said looks like scum could potentially look like they can raise more than one person in a night so I took his question like scum going why the fuck weren't you killed type thing.
~M

Similar to the Zymf thing, I have no idea how you came to this conclusion. I really don't believe that scum would be so outright with that kind of behavior, and it seems more likely for town, who are not as knowledgeable about how darkness increases during the night, to ask about it in my opinion.

↑ ZeL1nK2 wrote:
This doesn't make sense. Unless your theory is that Taly was a third-party or scum-that-isn't-me kill. Or, for whatever reason, you think group-scum can increase darkness enough to kill two people N1.

Pretty much what I was going to say, I'm interested in hearing your response to this.

Tbh, the two main issues I've had with Shadowcat so far are both concerning their interpretations of Zymf and Zelink's questions, and not understanding how they could possibly reach such a conclusion. I'm not entirely sure that this is a completely valid basis for saying I have any kind of scum read on them as of yet.

So what's happening with the flavour claim thing?

Zymf · Post Post #1148 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:34 pm

notscience seem to want a flavor claim really badly:

↑ notscience wrote:btw unless I see a suitable reason not to flavorclaim in the next 12 hours, skold/zymf is starting.

... but, Thor and Loki seems to be very much against flavor-claiming for some reason:

↑ Thor and Loki wrote:Let's not flavorclaim!

Maybe there is some reason why they want / don't want to flavor claim, such as:
- Mafia haven't been provided with fakeclaims
- Notscience is a Lie Detector
- Something else that might prove either usefull/harmfull for the town.

... And for this reason alone, I now support flavor claiming

↑ Mikazuki wrote:
↑ Zymf wrote:I only skimmed the thread since my last post.. so we are pushing on Shadowcat? Fine by me:

p-vote: Shadowcat

Though what about Zelink, wasn't he our main suspect?

So do you actually have any thoughts on the Shadowcat wagon or are you just gonna leave your vote and wait for more stuff to develop?

Eehm.. I liked White Narcissus' push on Shadowcat in this post. I don't see any reason why not to lynch him and I didn't know who else to place my vote on.. soo :/

pieguyn · Post Post #1149 (ISO) » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:35 pm

yeeeeeessssssssss