White Flag Mafia [TM2015] (Game Over)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Well, do you expect me to sit there as town and just get lynched?

no.

Uh, there's one vote on you?

[Aeronaut]

There's like three.

[Regfan]

There's two. And it doesn't change the fact that you actively lurking here and only commenting when voted rather than when your scum-read town-tells or when people town-read your scum-read and unvote them is effectively a scum-claim.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Uh yea, I actually don't know what the fuck I was talking about; if it were a fabricated fight, then the suspicion would fall under SvS.

I will quote this for posterity.

CES, there's cookies over here.

Maybe in a bit.

[Regfan]

Maybe in a bit.

Cookies are a limited time offer.

For real though, I'm pretty damn confident in this, seen scum react by coming out of active lurking to respond to being scum read while not commenting on anything else in the game in this manner so many times now it's not funny, will grab a dozen or so examples tomorrow if need be.

Heading to bed hoping to see more Aeronaut votes in the morning.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'm mostly just not in a particular hurry to lynch anyone.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.17

Aeronaut (2) - Zachrulez, Regfan
Cheery Dog (2) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Llamarble
Psyche (2) - Antihero, theelkspeaks
ika (1) - Cheery Dog
Llamarble (1) - Ankamius
Oversoul (1) - BlueBloodedToffee
theelkspeaks (1) - Aeronaut

Not Voting (3) - ika, Psyche, Oversoul

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Monday, April 13, 2015, at 9:00 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-04-13 21:00:00).

[Zachrulez]

Well, do you expect me to sit there as town and just get lynched?

no.

I expect scumhunting, and what I'm seeing instead is self preservation.

[theelkspeaks]

re:tokens: can someone link the post where zoroaster changed it?

Not sure whether Aeronaut's self-preservation is town or scum, it feels like my previous experiences self-preserving as town to some extent, but I feel like the motive for self-preservation is hard to decipher, as both alignments want to self-preserve.

How experienced of a player is Aeronaut?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

At the bottom of this post.

[Ankamius]

Expect a post from me later today when I'm not on a tablet. I'm aware of the questions I was asked and will answer them then.

[Ankamius]

Oh I'll answer this since I am pretty sure no one here knows my play style as both alignments. I'm far better as town than scum.

[Oversoul]

But is he always dunk?

Ika is scum with Cheery Dog. Doesn't matter who the third one is. Zach Oversoul Psyche can be town.

One thing I haven't asked yet, but were these reads just for the sake of making them?

Not seeing the Ika scum reads - find his posts dreadful but don't exactly think they're highly alignment indicative.

Agree with this point. Admittedly, I try not to read ika posts.

"Cheery may have used a scum token"

I'll solve this question for you, I did attempt to use a scum token, still rolled town.

Yeah, I actually don't feel like a scum Cheery Dog would say this. It's too ballsy, high risk and low reward. There is very little good in confirming that you spent tokens on scum in a game like this where you cannot confirm yourself as town at some point.

I feel like it's the latter. The people who don't want to talk about it might feel that way because we could reasonably figure it out if we delved into it took much.

Interestingly enough, Tammy had this exact same thought re: people not wanting to talk about tokens.

I think anything gained will only benefit team mafia as a while rather than unsocial games.

What does this mean, Cheery?

why was it purposefully vague?

I don't think I ever responded to this. I thought it was Llamarble being cheeky - at that point he never explicitly said he spent it to be town. Cheekiness is something I look for in people who are comfortable being scum. For a long time, Llamarble had one of the highest win rates as scum, so I just attributed his win rate to his liking scum.

qq means either "cry" or "quit" depending on who's saying it (the latter usually referring to oneself, i.e. "I'm going to qq this argument right now.")

As for my vote, it was mostly me thinking that most of the RVS was pretty standard (null) RVS, but the question oversoul asked seemed like an attempt to start token WIFOM, and I feel like token WIFOM is an antitown thing to start, because a player who spent tokens to be town could still very well have rolled scum (or vice versa) without it being that unlikely.

I agree with this on face value, but getting token usage out is more information for the town. In general I think the statistics are probably going to favor what we expect.

So guys, how does ika have 4 votes already? Like he's kinda not saying much of anything useful, but I don't see anything abysmal in his posts either, it feels more like "pre-game banter" from a player who doesn't have reads yet.

I'm keeping a moderately suspicious eye on this wagon.

^ There's another one.

Yeah, I didn't like this post from Elk either. I've seen scum do this. Try to play mediator, ask questions about certain things so 1) they know not to do those things, and 2) can later talk about those things as basis for a certain action (joining the wagon).

But is he always dunk?

Ika is scum with Cheery Dog. Doesn't matter who the third one is. Zach Oversoul Psyche can be town.

This seems like good reads for now.

VOTE: ika

This seems inattentive. How come a list including you-scum is good?

"Cheery may have used a scum token"

I'll solve this question for you, I did attempt to use a scum token, still rolled town.

What do you think you'd have said regarding this had you rolled scum?

I like this post a lot. Although I will say I think the point about the list isn't as strong as Llamarble thinks it is.

gasp

The exchange between you and BBT at the top of page 2 (from about Post 32 to Post 41) was all kinds of awkward on your end. Screaming about being left out and then asking for reasons on ika doesn't quite gel. The comment implying that ika is lynchbait in Post 38 doesn't

quite

fit the context given that nobody is seriously talking about lynching ika. The attack on BBT is subpar even given the relatively low standards of the early game.

in our exchange
you seemed guarded
and not really interested in figuring me out

Funny, that's exactly what I think about you.

I have a light scum read on ika from general game dynamics.
I also have a light scum read on elk, mostly for blanket criticizing the ika wagon but not calling out anyone in particular.

I think this is the towniest post thus far into the game.
Looking forward to when TTH and Antihero switch, I think Antihero's emotional appeal rings true. I know I would not want to willingly switch into a role that is scum. Then again, that is just me.

67 - I just know you're gonna elaborate on this, Zach.

That sounds like a lot of hard work.

I've never thought of Zach as a sassy player, but this is just the first of many where he is acting sassy.

83 - Ika, if you think scum is voting you, you should probably do something about that.

like what? i dont want to ruin slayers gambit (cus come on white flag is like the best place to try shit like that)

Uh, this seems objectively false. And if you are doing Slayer's Gambit, please stop.

Psyche's post thus 105 far remind me of my own internal dialogue about how games go. I can't tell if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

This play may have made me overly suspicious of fast wagons, so I think that oversoul's attempt to start token WIFOM is worse (since knowledge of my own biases against early wagons makes me hesitant to dive too hard into that wagon, at least for now).

I don't really follow this. Elk, did you mean once a fast wagon was complete (7 votes) that it would have one scum on it, or at the time of you saying fast wagons are bad (4 votes) it had one scum on it?

i don't really understand what you mean by that llama

Town usually go depth-first and put some time into analyzing one player, then another. Scum focus on understanding the game as a whole so they can make sure the day doesn't head down a path that will hurt them.

I dunno about that. I've seen scum purposefully tunnel vision a player so they *don't* have to give good reasons for other players.

Here's where I'm at right now.

Town:
BlueBloodedToffee
Oversoul

Weak Town:
TellTaleHeart
ZachRulez

Weak Scum:
Cogito Ergo Sum
theelkspeaks

Scum:
Llamarble
Psyche

Everyone not listed hasn't done anything that caught my attention yet.

VOTE: Psyche

Never even knew this post existed. How is Regfan not on this list at all? How am I a strong town read?

Scum:
Llamarble

Many have died for such folly.

Town reading/scum reading people based on potential token use is an avenue I would expect scum to take. It's quite easy for scum to absolve themselves of any responsibility on mislynches and an easy way to provide town reads/solidly defend their buddies, again, without coming under much fire because 'token use'.

Just to clarify, let's say you're scum with Regfan. Now, should Regfan come under pressure and start looking like he is likely to be the lynch, you can outright defend him as hard as you want without looking scummy because 'tokens'. Even if he flipped scum; 'tokens'. I don't like this being an available defense for scum to use.

Meh, this is a fair point. I favor probability style stuff so the game is just intrinsically less difficult for me to think about. I don't base my reads solely on the token thing, but if someone in my mind could really either be scum or town, probably going to put them over the edge to be town if they spent tokens to be town. I just wish it was like last time.

You think quoting the whole post changes anything?

Jesus Christ.

I'm going to make this easier for you.

Regfan - He hasn't really done anything yet but 2 town tokens :doubles: his chance of being town.

You see this read? It states Regfan '

hasn't really done anything

' but

two town tokens

make him

more likely to be town

.

Now, show me the

scum hunting

,

not token speculation

,

scum hunting

that lends itself to this read on Regfan.

This post reads really town to me on my second read through of the game. This is the type of frustration I think I would feel at this point talking to another player who doesn't see what I am seeing.
Reminds me of playing with Titus. :shudder:

Open challenge to everyone: Justify a town read on Psyche.

You cannot use "he posts a lot" or any variation thereof.

Go.

I don't know if this has been said already, but Antihero if you can, could you follow up with TTH about this?

I wasn't really paying attention to the TTH slot before, but I am now.

Why...?

Mostly because TTH is my strongest townread and while struggling to find scum so far, I can back the scumread of my strongest townread with a vote.

This seems too passive for me, but I can almost imagine a child saying it for the sheer innocence of it.

*it's important that the
If I make any textual errors from here on, you can make fun of me; I am proud of how few mistakes I make while writing and I don't want my skill to atrophy.

Umm?

I can make Cheeryscum work in my mind more easily than most others at this point.
Aeronaut scum also makes a lot of sense. Ankamius can be #3 for now.

None of those three people have interacted with either AH or his predecessor; AH if you can get one, I'd appreciate a dump of whatever thoughts TTH had regarding those 3 players before he left.
AH slot :could: be scum but I have no actual problems with them so far. Same goes for CES.

The way this post is composed makes it sound like you have specific people being replaced by other your other suspicions. Is that true?

Certainly I don't mind the three of them posting in a row after some worried discussion in their QT.

Do you enjoy wearing tinfoil?

Starting to get giddy feelings about Cheery + Ank + Aero scumteam. RAWR! Certainly I don't mind the three of them posting in a row after some worried discussion in their QT.
If the plan is to attempt a lynch on me before I cause too much damage, I almost want to link some of my past games to show you where that leads, but I'll settle for laughing evilly to myself.
I really don't think you'll even get a chance to start though - I'm expecting a Regfan post declaring me irreversibly confirmed town anytime now.

Hey Aero why don't you tell me about how Elk manufactured this:

*is sad about the replacement*

The replacement occurred after my teammate copper told me to say hi to TTH and that he expects TTH is town and can carry the game.

Regfan you're allowed to answer this as well if you still believe in Elkscum.

Ank, at this point I literally have some manner of townread on everyone except you three. Finding my play so far this game scummy is ridiculous, and the way you refer to your teammates is exactly the way I used my teammates in previous team mafia (as I described earlier in this thread).

If you want to be evil/show your powers, you would let it happen. You seem to almost want it to happen with these goading attempts.
The way he referred to teammates is not. He said that his teammates had not read the game at all. That is different from Ank setting himself up to either sheep his own team or seem "confused".

1Q

. Why were you interested in finding out who had a scum-read on me?

2Q

. A wagon on someone you don't find particularly scummy...that smells opportunistic to me.

3Q

. No, we've never played together.

1Q - It is part of how I play. Consistency is important to me.
2Q - I admit up to very recently, I haven't been a diligent reader. I mostly wanted to provide momentum to leading wagons to see how the game progressed.
3Q - This explains a lot. You're in for a (frustrating) treat.

Now that I think about it, I don't think anyone has really "cracked" my playstyle even though I am very upfront about how I play. :shrug:

Planning on talking with Empire about him and Oversoul when he gets up.

Did anything result from this? Why Empire specifically?

My memory of you was that you took strong stances and were quite active which isn't the case here.

What game(s) were did you have in mind when you made this post?

No I can't explain why I consider that a scum tell, it's probably just worthless crap about how I think the game should be played.
UNVOTE:

Hmm... Not how I was expecting that post to end.

I agreed with it...I thought TTH was fairly obvious town. It's an even stronger read now that Anti has replaced into that slot.

Why do you think Antihero made that slot a stronger town read?

Zach I like to think we've wrapped up the token discussion on an agree-to-disagree note. Going further doesn't seem productive.

BBT: Cool; I don't really disagree about the Elk wagon though Aeronaut is my initial pick for the scum on it.
I'm not so sure about TTH:

The "game dynamic" element of the Ika weak scum read was something I didn't really like though which Empire also picked up on.

Nacho mentioned this as well (though it was more general - TTH's scumread on ika bugged him).
I would say TTH / AH being scum is plausible; will reread soon.

To both Llamarble and Regfan, why did that comment seem weak to you (and your teammates)?

Specifically, the BBT/llama argument feels like 2 town players with contrasting opinions but both legitimately trying to get to the bottom of what the best way to lynch scum in this game is.

I hate posts like this. Saying two people arguing are specific alignments is what newb scum do in my opinion.

Also pretty sure he's town here so really nothing gained from talking with him over it for now.

Can you explain this more in depth?

I actually feel like there's probably one scum within the Zach, BBT thing. That whole fight feels forced to me.

Never mind the newb scum comment (see my reference to Elk's post), but it looks like Aeronaut doesn't even care about his own words.

Zach's recent play is the Zach that I want to see. Was having serious doubts about his alignment given his attitude earlier in the game.

Uh yea, I actually don't know what the fuck I was talking about; if it were a fabricated fight, then the suspicion would fall under SvS.

I think it's because I have a history of trying to guess the scumteam and being very, very wrong. However, that whole interaction is something to keep in mind for later.

Really don't like the self depreciation here. Seems like he saw a way out of a potentially troubling position and took it.

Honestly, what I do Day 1 is usually ask questions and try to inquire about different things, because until we see a flip, it's all speculative. Especially with daytalk, it's pretty probable that scum are voting for eachother/D1 bussing.

I'm home pretty much all day today, so I'll be taking a closer look at what's going on.

Bussing is so White Flag Team Mafia 2011.

At the bottom of this post.

CES do you think there is a way to trap everyone into their token usage given the refund aspect of the side selection stuff?

Man that reread took a long ass time.

So yeah, general take away from my reread

Reads

Town

: Regfan, Llamarble, TellTaleHeart (Antihero), Zach

Null-town

: CES, Psyche, Cheery

Null-scum

: Ika, Elk

Scum

: Aeronaut, BB&T, Ank

VOTE: Aeronaut

Aeronaut is lurking and trying to coast, in my opinion. I don't think he truly believes in his point/vote against Elk and when he made the Zach/BB&T point he didn't even try to parse WHO the one scum in two players would be. When he was called out for his post, he quickly took the easy way out to try and appease those questioning him. The fact that he said 1 scum in those two plays into my theory that Aeronaut is scum WITH BB&T.

BB&T is mainly a pet theory that I think has been fairly supported in this game. I think he is being coached by ABR. I haven't had the time to read BB&T's meta (would appreciate if the team Cabd/Empire is on could help investigate), but when I think of hyper-aggressive on a single point I think of ABR. By being this aggressive and sticking to a theoretical reason to disagree with everyone, BB&T can LOOK active without actually scumhunting people for their play.

In the same way that he is accusing others for not using play to scumhunt, he is doing the same by going after others for their theory of play (specifically Llamarble). When push comes to shove, I would not be surprised if BB&T deadline voted the top wagon.

Ank is like Aeronaut, he is coasting in my opinion. I'm giving him slight benefit of the doubt for not having time, but the one post he made about me and Llamarble just felt off. From a player as established as Ank, I was expecting much more than the cursory comments he gave for those reads.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

397 - What questions ika? You have a cheek to ask for answers to questions when you're doing nothing but asking empty questions.

Ika is a good lynch.

404 - Llamarble, Anti isn't scum so you can take him out of your scum pile and put ika in it.

408 - What exactly doesn't Tammy like about my posting?

Why is Tammy hypothesizing about what I might want to do in a game like this? We have never played together, I'm interested to hear where these thoughts are coming from.

Most of this post is token-talk and I hate it.

409 - I like this vote from CD.

419 - This might be something minor but it's bugging me. I find it weird that Aero wants to address Regfan over the Zach vs BBT thing when it was me who originally brought the point up.

Why did you choose to respond to Regfan, Aero?

It's also extremely fluffy and he sets himself up quite well to revisit this idea later on, if he so chooses.

Do you think Zach and myself are scum or not? Definitive answer.

Honestly, what I do Day 1 is usually ask questions and try to inquire about different things, because until we see a flip, it's all speculative.

This is funny because you're not doing this.

423 - CES, why would scum CD vote ika? I'm not seeing what you're saying, what is the motivation behind doing so?

I'm mostly just not in a particular hurry to lynch anyone.

We have more than enough information in this game to be pushing for a serious lynch now. Quite frankly, this;

Vote Count 1.17
Aeronaut (2) - Zachrulez, Regfan
Cheery Dog (2) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Llamarble
Psyche (2) - Antihero, theelkspeaks
ika (1) - Cheery Dog
Llamarble (1) - Ankamius
Oversoul (1) - BlueBloodedToffee
theelkspeaks (1) - Aeronaut

Not Voting (3) - ika, Psyche, Oversoul

Is a shockingly bad VC for this point in the game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

437 - Lot of words, looks good on surface but not a whole lot of useful information in it when you read it closely. Apologies for the wall, tried to break it up as much as I could.

Couple of things;

Good point regarding Ank's reads-list. Look forward to the reply.

"

I don't base my reads solely on the token thing, but if someone in my mind could really either be scum or town, probably going to put them over the edge to be town if they spent tokens to be town

" How do you know they're not lying?

Anti made the town read on that slot stronger because I don't see Anti replacing

into

a scum slot. Glad to see you read thoroughly during your catch up.

Also, from reading your catch-up it feels your scum read on elk should be stronger than null-scum. Feels like you're setting yourself up to join his wagon should it take off again.

You were having '

serious doubts

' about Zach's alignment earlier in the game...I don't remember these doubts being expressed anywhere?

Ah, look at the set-up to join an Aero wagon after people have expressed disliking of that slot. That's just fantastic timing you have there. A 'convenient' time for a 'catch-up' if I've ever seen one.

Now, the only real read you give on me is during my discussion with Psyche regarding Llamarble's reads list in which you say "

This post reads really town to me on my second read through of the game. This is the type of frustration I think I would feel at this point talking to another player who doesn't see what I am seeing.

". When you reply to one of my posts, you seem to reply like you're town-reading me (know I'm town?)

So, how does this develop into a BBT scum-read? Not even null-scum, full on scum-read.

You say it's based on a 'theory'. You're going to have to do

much

better than this. I initially felt like the point of you bringing your teams reads into the game, especially using Tammy as someone who is scum-reading me, was a method of setting yourself up to attack me without it looking too blatant that it's OMGUS.

Hyper-aggressive on a single point is scummy? Firstly, don't act like that's all I have done because it isn't. Secondly, go read some of Thor's games when he is town. That's a pretty poor reason for scum-reading anyone, especially when you readily admit to having no idea how said person plays.

"

By being this aggressive and sticking to a theoretical reason to disagree with everyone

" This is a huge misrep and exposes your scum read as pretty weak.

I'm really happy with my vote and people should be voting Oversoul now.

Thanks.

[Zachrulez]

Oversoul's comments regarding BBT in his wall don't really seem to connect with the read he presents.

That's not really leaving me with very warm feelings inside.

[Oversoul]

437 - Lot of words, looks good on surface but not a whole lot of useful information in it when you read it closely. Apologies for the wall, tried to break it up as much as I could.

Couple of things;

Good point regarding Ank's reads-list. Look forward to the reply.

1

"

I don't base my reads solely on the token thing, but if someone in my mind could really either be scum or town, probably going to put them over the edge to be town if they spent tokens to be town

" How do you know they're not lying?

2

Anti made the town read on that slot stronger because I don't see Anti replacing

into

a scum slot. Glad to see you read thoroughly during your catch up.

3

Also, from reading your catch-up it feels your scum read on elk should be stronger than null-scum. Feels like you're setting yourself up to join his wagon should it take off again.

4

You were having '

serious doubts

' about Zach's alignment earlier in the game...I don't remember these doubts being expressed anywhere?

5

Ah, look at the set-up to join an Aero wagon after people have expressed disliking of that slot. That's just fantastic timing you have there. A 'convenient' time for a 'catch-up' if I've ever seen one.

6

Now, the only real read you give on me is during my discussion with Psyche regarding Llamarble's reads list in which you say "

This post reads really town to me on my second read through of the game. This is the type of frustration I think I would feel at this point talking to another player who doesn't see what I am seeing.

". When you reply to one of my posts, you seem to reply like you're town-reading me (know I'm town?)

7

So, how does this develop into a BBT scum-read? Not even null-scum, full on scum-read.

8

You say it's based on a 'theory'. You're going to have to do

much

better than this. I initially felt like the point of you bringing your teams reads into the game, especially using Tammy as someone who is scum-reading me, was a method of setting yourself up to attack me without it looking too blatant that it's OMGUS.

9

Hyper-aggressive on a single point is scummy? Firstly, don't act like that's all I have done because it isn't. Secondly, go read some of Thor's games when he is town. That's a pretty poor reason for scum-reading anyone, especially when you readily admit to having no idea how said person plays.

10

"

By being this aggressive and sticking to a theoretical reason to disagree with everyone

" This is a huge misrep and exposes your scum read as pretty weak.

I'm really happy with my vote and people should be voting Oversoul now.

Thanks.

I numbered the points that I will address to, hopefully, keep this page concise.

1 - I don't, but if that player in the past has expressed any type of alignment preference, I am going to analyze how they spent those tokens. For example, I expected people like LLD, Katsuki, Llamarble, and even CES to put tokens down for scum. LLD and Katsuki have outspoken preferences for scum. Before the reroll in Magua's game due to mod error, it would appear that I am correct as the scum team in that game was LLD, Katsuki, and Who (this is all publicly confirmed knowledge except my hypothesis that certain individuals in that game actually spent tokens for those alignments).

Llamarble and CES I expected to put tokens down for scum because they have good scum games and it could be, at least from my point of view, that they know who is going to be in what game and felt that they could take advantage of this playerlist. For the record, in the last two team mafias, Llamarble has been scum in the White Flag game. Still not entirely sure this is not some sort of big ruse but Tammy says that Llamarble does prefer town and that sort of thing and I am willing to trust him on that.

If you want me to tell you that your are logically correct, then sure. It is more foolish to rely on the tokens when none of it can actually be proven. When it comes to the game of mafia, there are certain things that I have just trust. None of the players so far have really given me any sort of indication that I should be distrustful of them.

2 - That is what I thought. I just wanted to make it certain.

3 - There has been a lot of debate in our Private Topic about Elk. I'm giving him a pass now because I see him as an inexperienced player and I remember from when I was new to this I seemed scummy just for the way I presented myself. That isn't saying I personally don't find him scummy, which is why he null scum.

4 - Yes. Zach's entrance into the game was not what I was expecting someone who should be excited about the game. To put my expectations into context, from playing with Zach a fair amount I know that he is like me and immensely prefers to play as town. For this reason that I was expecting him to put tokens for town on this game. Moreover, when I voted him in RVS to see if he would react, knowing my knowledge of his own preferences, he didn't react at all. I didn't like that. I may not have been as vocal about my suspicions, but that doesn't mean I did not have them. As a player, I tend to play cards close to my chest/vest (w.e. that damn saying is).

These two posts are where I gave my contemplation face in regards to Zach. Technically the first one is also about Llamarble's early reads, but that includes zach.

Spoiler: For BB&T

But is he always dunk?
Zach Oversoul Psyche can be town.

191 - Oversoul, firstly, I would have liked Llamarble to have the first chance of responding to what I said.

Then why didn't you specify that?

I'm not sure whether you're referring to the point I made against Llamarble or the discussion with Psyche that ensued.

The point about Llmarble and the token discussion. At that stage in the game, reads are going to be based off shitty reasoning. You seem incredulous to that fact?

192 - Ugh. I hate this post.

What was the purpose of it?

First level of inquisition: To see who had a scum read on you? Second level of inquisition: to hold people to that reasoning, for future reference.

199 - Oversoul, you're now voting Elk when you just previously stated that you don't see much scumminess from him? Nah.

Yes...
Wagons are a good thing, especially in a game as murky as this.

Does that surprise you?
For the record, Regfan's point is valid. Elk just... doesn't seem to be doing much of... anything.

We've never played together, have we, BB&T?

Oh ye of little research. I'd say the chance I get lynched this game has already dropped below 3%.

Speaking of free lynches, Cheery hasn't really attracted votes even though lynching him is the Right Thing To Do.
Impressive patience from the scumteam? Or maybe Cheery is actually just scum.

Why not Elk?

we switched b/c tth needed to take the wheel in the game i was in

that's all the detail i can go into

That's interesting. I thought something similar when I saw the switch.

Anak; Would like some reasoning or explanation behind your reads list in Post 139 specifically the reads on BTT, Oversoul, Llama and CES.

Quick note is that I posted before anyone else in my team had posted thoughts in the game.

BBT: I liked #52 and his #57 echoed what I thought about Aeronaut's post as well.

Oversoul: He felt town based on his interactions with Llamarble about the tokens; since I have a scumread on Llamarble independent of this, I'm putting more stake in this than I usually would.

Llamarble: He felt scum based on his interactions with Oversoul about the tokens. I didn't like this post either; the questions feel incredibly empty. The way he reacted to the 'scuffle' at the top of page 5 looks wooden.

CES: The way he posted towards you on page 2 pinged me; it's not very strong and I'm getting disagreed with in my PT, so it's virtually null at this point.

This isn't as helpful as I hoped it would be.

I would like the reason for the swap explained. I don't like that it hasn't been.

clarifying stuff w/ zor at the moment. hold onto your britches.

you are talking out your ass when you speculate we swapped so i could take over a SCUM role (lol). ESPECIALLY on a team w/ etl, tth, and sthar8.

your reads are terrible and if you're town you need re-evaluation. badly.

Ok.

Oh hey I just realized this post existed.

*is sad about the replacement*

The replacement occurred after my teammate copper told me to say hi to TTH and that he expects TTH is town and can carry the game.

VOTE: Psyche

fear not for tth will still be driving. i'm just doing the posting.

Urk.

5 - And your point?

6 - I never said you were town. I said that specific post reads town to me. I don't view people as poles in that they are either scum or town, black or white. I view it as a spectrum of gray. In that instance, I thought the post was town because of the tone and emotion used. I consider emotion to be one of more difficult aspects of playing that scum try to replicate.

7/8 - I play things close to my chest. This is part of the reason why I said "You are in for a (frustrating) treat". Tammy had been talking to me about how she thought your posts sounded fake and that your reactions were forced. With that in mind I began to think about why that would be the case and why you would play that way and I came up with the (tinfoil) theory that you were being coached by an individual on your team. The only one who I am familiar with is ABR who has the title "Illogical Rampage" for a reason. He plays very aggressively and I could very easily see ABR making those posts that you did. I am sorry this is more guilt by association, but it fits with how you are acting (in the game and potentially with teammates).

9 - Yes, it is scummy. I have outlined why I think it is scummy in my other posts. It is scummy because it allows scum to post in a game and look like they have contributed to the game when in reality they are only making noise to buy themselves time. It is funny that you bring up Thor. I don't generally like Thor's playstyle. Thor loathes my playstyle. I concede that I can't read Thor because I just find what he says to be so god damn nitpicky and not alignment telling in anyway. Thor thinks he can read me but his read is literally always "Oversoul is scummy" or some variation. If Thor is your spirit animal, this is going to be a long fucking game for the both of us.

10 - How is that a misrep? You spent a large portion of your posts debating that particular issue.

[Oversoul]

Also Reg, I guess I forgot to say this earlier but my team spent all of its tokens. Tammy took 2 to be town, I took 2 to be town, and Rhinox took 1 to be town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't feel like a wall off.

[Oversoul]

So you disagree with everything I say then?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll reply at a later time.

I want to make sure people read the interaction and I think there are enough wall posts for now.

[Oversoul]

Ok. Curious why you only focused on Aeronaut and yourself, because I tied you two together?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ok. Curious why you only focused on Aeronaut and yourself, because I tied you two together?

Curious why you're lying.

[Oversoul]

Lying? What am I lying about?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The post I quoted.