↑ Thor665 wrote:You think he's actually poking anyone? I have him as active lurk.
I don't think he's legitimately pushing anyone, I think he's just asking filler questions in order to look like he trying to poke at people without actually doing so. it looks like we agree here, but are just thinking about it in different terms.
are you open to lynching sthar today?
↑ Thor665 wrote:He is clearly not being facetious about this - it was a choice of his team.
By extension logic, why refuse to claim town tokens? It does make a *lot* of sense to refuse to discuss tokens to protect scum token use - ergo, I submit this was a scummy action.
Also - it isn't and never was a question. I was stating a belief.
the obvious conclusion here is that his team has a mutual agreement to not discuss how they spent their tokens in *any* of their games. jason would respect this regardless of what his alignment in *this particular* game is.
which is why I think you actually using this as a reason for thinking he's scum is a load of shit
↑ Thor665 wrote:Second off - there isn't actually a rule that says all questions have to directly relate to tells. You ask questions to generate tells, sometimes you question tells, but you do not, by definition, question every tell you have.
OK
so my issue with this is, it doesn't look like you're actually factoring his responses to the questions you're asking into your read on him. nothing you're doing gives any indication that you have ever considered the possibility that jason is anything but scum - it feels like you're just going through the motions with all the questions you're asking and continuing to push him as scum regardless of what he answers.
the fact that none of the questions you asked had anything to do with your original reason for scum reading him supports this. it doesn't feel like you're doing anything to actually confirm or deny your read on him here. I agree asking questions to generate tells is a valid strategy; my issue with your play lies in the fact that you're *appearing* like you're doing this, while not doing actually so.
↑ Thor665 wrote:Like what...specifically?
Just the above? Or something else?
most of your posts, really
this is your stated reasoning for jason being scum:
It's a few little things, really, but the concise description would be; overaware RVS, paired with lack of hunting, paired with sudden push on whom I perceive as the weakest player available to push in the game, paired with no actual argument for that case beyond playstyle, paired with the token thing.
most of the questions you're asking him are in response to posts he made, but they don't have anything to do with your reasoning here for him being scum. taking the questions from your recent posts, you're asking him about whether he believes RVS, who he thinks the weakest player in the game is, pushing him for not answering how they used their tokens, why he thinks you should be looking at alternate options besides him, etc. (the post I quoted was only one example of this.)
I don't really have a problem with this. what I have a problem with is the fact that you have not asked him anything along the lines of:
- "why is Boon doing *insert action here* scummy, as opposed to playstyle?" (re: Boon case being playstyle - what you're doing is just assuming he's scum for pushing something you think is playstyle, without making any effort to understand what his thought process behind it is)
- "who are your other scum reads besides me?" (re: you not thinking he's scum hunting)
it's as I said. you're asking him a lot of things about minor points, but you are completely failing at engaging with him over the major, relevant points that have primarily been making you think he was scum this whole time. this is why I think you're just asking questions in order to look busy here.
the other problem I have is that, as I said before, I don't really see you taking in his answers and reevaluating. I have, to this point, seen absolutely 0 indication that you have seen anything he's said and thought he was less likely to be scum as a result of it. this isn't particularly scummy, but it is consistent with what I usually expect scum to do when attempting to outargue someone.
I think that addresses most of the points. if I missed something in particular you wanted me to answer let me know
That's nonsensical. If egg had pushed me more or pressured me or done literally anything in the way of trying to figure me out, it WOULD NOT indicate that he was grasping to fit his evidence to his case, given that the evidence 
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