Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Magua]

Vote Count 1.23

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Katsuki (4): Iecerint, Lady Lambdadelta, TierShift, shos
shos (3): Rhinox, Katsuki, notscience
Cabd (3): xRECKONERx, pirate mollie, Cephrir
TierShift (1): T-Bone

Not Voting (2): Cabd, copper223

V/LA: TierShift (April 12th)

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, April 15th, at 12:00 noon EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-04-15 11:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cabd	-	49
Cephrir	-	48
copper223	-	50
Iecerint	-	50
Katsuki	-	49
Lady Lambdadelta	-	52
notscience	-	50
pirate mollie	-	50
Rhinox	-	47
shos	-	53
T-Bone	-	51
TierShift	-	49
xRECKONERx	-	52

[T-Bone]

Tier has enough posts for people to develop a read off of. Not posting because he's not posting isn't one of them. It's lazy.

[Cabd]

Update: on about two hours of sleep. On and off fevering again. If this continues, going to the doctor tomorrow. Will do my best to post a little bit while I'm having periods of stability.

[Iecerint]

Unvote: Vote: Cabd

Katsuki's claim became too hard for me. Cabd is the most likely person to be scum. Shos did a few too many townie things for me to vote for him at this point I think. TierShift/T-Bone are possible dark horse candidates.

@NS: Mala said that the stuff that was bothering her isn't bothering her anymore. I think it was based mostly on your demotivation.

She responded pretty quickly after I asked, so I don't think she re-read anything. This suggests that you've been that way for awhile for her. I think this was based on all pre-copper stuff.

Pedit: awkward that Cabd is kinda ill during the escalation, but my vote is based mostly on content he's produced rather than present lurkiness, so.

[pirate mollie]

Tier has enough posts for people to develop a read off of. Not posting because he's not posting isn't one of them. It's lazy.

can you show me what posts you find particularly scummy with reasoning to back them up? cos otherwise what you are saying here is downright useless COS OMG WE ARE SUPPOSED TO JUST PSYCHICALLY KNOW WHY YOU ARE PUSHING HIM AND THAT HE IS SCUM BASED OFF WHAT YOU ARE PUSHING WHICH SEEMS TO BE KIND OF FLIMSY.

UNVOTE: cabd

[notscience]

btw rhinox that post you thought was to you was to lld not ot you

also mollie what do you think of shos not making sense/blatantly misrepping the thread

[T-Bone]

I am pushing him as scum because of one specific event, and then some other tonal things I got from him early on. Specifically him asking for SOMEONE ELSE to pressure vote me...because he couldn't do it himself? He voted Cabd in the same post, but Cabd already had pressure on him at that point so what was Tier adding to the situation? The answer is nothing. I felt like he was just waiting for someone to go 'Bone is scum' so he could switch votes but that never happened. When I challenged him on this he brushed me off. And then since then he hasn't posted for personal reasons, I wasn't posting for personal reasons, so that's where I am in regards to him, a holding pattern.

You were around when this happened, I ask you on your thoughts about Tier, but you brushed me off saying you already gave them. When I posted later saying that you didn't give much of anything about him, I don't recall you ever responding.

[T-Bone]

I'm talking in regards from my 309 and then my 406 Mollie.

[T-Bone]

Rhinox is coming from a weird angle towards me, because I was very clearly just not around.

I've hardly mentioned you at all. I'm not coming towards you at all??? Explain this.

I was talking about our little early day interactions (you know the one where you misrepped my vote on copper ;P). Though I attributed Oversoul's reads that you posted as your own. But I hate blanket statements "we think PLAYER's entrance was awful" because that's just lazy.

[shos]

btw rhinox that post you thought was to you was to lld not ot you

also mollie what do you think of shos not making sense/blatantly misrepping the thread

can we lynch this?

can anyone give me a reason not to, in fact? in consideration of gameplay and claim?

[Cephrir]

Katsuki's claim became too hard for me.

._.

[T-Bone]

btw rhinox that post you thought was to you was to lld not ot you

also mollie what do you think of shos not making sense/blatantly misrepping the thread

can we lynch this?

can anyone give me a reason not to, in fact? in consideration of gameplay and claim?

Can you explain for me?

[Katsuki]

vla fri ~ sun, goofbash v2

[pirate mollie]

btw rhinox that post you thought was to you was to lld not ot you

also mollie what do you think of shos not making sense/blatantly misrepping the thread

I want to explore as to where he has demonstrated that he is so good at reading tier! co I don't remember him being particularly fantastic at scumreading tier on d1 in hu1 who was scum in that game. I really need a larger sample size cos it looks like posturing.

I am waiting for him to answer. but what you are bringing up is kind of null IMO.

[Cephrir]

that post did not especially make me want to lynch notscience

[pirate mollie]

I am pushing him as scum because of one specific event, and then some other tonal things I got from him early on. Specifically him asking for SOMEONE ELSE to pressure vote me...because he couldn't do it himself? He voted Cabd in the same post, but Cabd already had pressure on him at that point so what was Tier adding to the situation? The answer is nothing. I felt like he was just waiting for someone to go 'Bone is scum' so he could switch votes but that never happened. When I challenged him on this he brushed me off. And then since then he hasn't posted for personal reasons, I wasn't posting for personal reasons, so that's where I am in regards to him, a holding pattern.

You were around when this happened, I ask you on your thoughts about Tier, but you brushed me off saying you already gave them. When I posted later saying that you didn't give much of anything about him, I don't recall you ever responding.

thats because I don't have a solid read on tier?

like I really don't. if I did I wld have been able to give you a solid answer. or if I was scum I cld have fabricated 1.

what exactly are you trying to sort out here?

[T-Bone]

I didn't ask for a solid read, and I don't expect everyone to have a solid read on everyone (lord knows I don't). I was trying at the time to have a discussion and bounce some things off of you but that never happened.

[Iecerint]

Katsuki's claim became too hard for me.

._.

?

[copper223]

Ok T-Bone, I can see Tier being scum here:

VOTE: Tier

He is switching tones too often, he was very dogmatic and authoritative to start out with, I am still iffy on the way he pushed on me and then backed off, and after the T-Bone argument he has shut down only to follow up on my: possibly he is demotivated after the argument with T-Bone using a similar argument about not having the motivation to play mafia which looks pretty manipulative, while at the same time calling me out for giving meta about him that wasn't even a read, which looks hyper defensive.

[pirate mollie]

I didn't ask for a solid read, and I don't expect everyone to have a solid read on everyone (lord knows I don't). I was trying at the time to have a discussion and bounce some things off of you but that never happened.

I didn't mean to make you feel brushed but it is just that I didn't have much to say. I don't really understand your push and I feel frustrated that you aren't pushing it except to say how you feel ignored.

if you cld link the posts and reasons as to why you find tier scummy that wld be grand!

so far I have:

1. shos has a good record of reading him. yeah well 1 game blah blah blah but shos did not read him correctly in that game so whence comes the push? I have asked shos to cite examples and I am still waiting for them.
2. cehrir is worried cos tier agreed with him. okay.

I wld just like some reasons so I can see if there is intersection in thought processes and I am not finding any. the tier/ceph in step kind of freaks me out but I am wondering why it is being brought up now and not when I originally brought it up. it is simply going to require more thinking on my part cos this whole day round has been weird as fuck and there is a lot of stalling.

eta: okay copper has now given reasons and I think they are pretty bad!

[notscience]

Mollie what do you think of icerink?

I'm not rally reading him based off him I'm more reading him based off mala but

[T-Bone]

Ok T-Bone, I can see Tier being scum here:

VOTE: Tier

He is switching tones too often, he was very dogmatic and authoritative to start out with, I am still iffy on the way he pushed on me and then backed off, and after the T-Bone argument he has shut down only to follow up on my: possibly he is demotivated after the argument with T-Bone using a similar argument about not having the motivation to play mafia which looks pretty manipulative, while at the same time calling me out for giving meta about him that wasn't even a read, which looks hyper defensive.

Not for nothing, but he cited game-independent reasons for not being here...Hardly a three post exchange with the player with the least amount of posts is grounds for 'demotivated scum'.

[copper223]

@T-Bone
Why he says he is not motivated is not relevant, I don't like him using a similar phrasing and reason as the one I peovided for him based on the town game we played together.

If he is scum he started trying to control the game like Ceph, but shut down when he noriced he was getting into dangerous waters with his pushes.

@Mollie
What don't you like about it?

[Iecerint]

One thing that confuses me about Cephrir is that I feel like he would have picked up on players townreading him for crumbing knowledge about the score system, but then he expressed paranoia about people townreading him.

Like, I assume he crumbed it with knowledge that it would probably make people townread him. Which is fine. But then it's weird to get paranoid about people townreading you.

[notscience]

VOTE: cephrir