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Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:12 pm

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It hasn't really changed much from before tbh. I have kept up, but not really read back on anyone recently.

Espionage and Not Mafia are still the most likely scum from where I'm sitting.
I don't remember anything from Empking, so I'd definitely have to Iso to see where he stands.
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Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:05 pm

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Soren wrote:
Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Aristophanes

This is our best chance to actually hit scum, but ika needs to go pre-lylo

Before this Aris vote you had a vote on ika and ika was at L-2. Then you change your vote to Aris because he's the best chance at hitting scum? And then two votes goes on ika putting him at L-1 and then you decide to hammer? Which clearly goes against your reason for voting Aris, the reason being that you thought that the Aris lynch was the best chance at hitting scum.

It looks like you wanted to hammer ika to gain town cred.

VOTE: Not_Mafia


This logic is flawed, however it does point to Soren town. If you read ika's role pm as it is posted I read it as scum had no idea who the traitor was. I think nothing is going to come from relational tells.

@ your earier questions to me. I was sure ika was town because I was feeling like he was a strong pr that he wanted to keep hidden and that was an explaination for his play. Similar stuff was going on with DLA, but it was less conclusive.
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Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:07 pm

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I see kj already covered that. :/

Again I don't really see any of the wagons that were big at the end of yesterday being scum. DLA is cleared and Boo is maybe town, she did good in the latter parts of yesterday. I haven't seen any case on Aris though. I only know it was a wagon that was going on yesterday.
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Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:35 pm

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Spoiler: tl;dr: Vote Aris
killerjester wrote:Okay, in addition to the shit I said yesterday (Aris had literally only two reads, and it felt like both of them were conceded so he'd have justification for his two votes), I looked for what he
wasn't doing
- namely scumhunting.

Aristophanes wrote:Why are a bunch of votes popping up on Lucian? Haven't seen anything scummy from that spot

Aristophanes wrote:Wait, why are people voting Boo again??
I don't get it...

Aristophanes wrote:Hey all! I'm back!

I'll read up and see what I can do.

I see Anti is pretty close to lynch, but also hasn't been here.
Are these things related or did he do something before disappearing that was scummy?


Like what the fuck, right? Read the fucking thread. Suspend for a moment my belief that LR and Bookitty are town, it's not like the people on ANY of these wagons were ambiguous in their reads. Bookitty and Soren both explained their votes on LR were due to his IIoA. LR explained to great detail what he thought of Bookitty's contradictory nature. And don't get me started on the Anti wagon, its supporters were numerous and incredibly vocal.

It'd be fine if he didn't understand how the particulars of these wagons meant the respective users were necessarily scummy. HOWEVER, that's not what he said, not how the tone came off, and certainly not something he was terribly concerned with finding the answers to. It feels like he wanted to give the appearance that he doubted the wagons more than he actually gave a fuck why people were voting them. I don't know if the polar opposite of sheeping has an official term, but this is fucking it guys. He's playing the role of skeptic instead of sheep. Instead of, "I'm going to blindly agree with certain opinions to appear town," we have, "I'm going to blindly doubt certain opinions to appear town."

killerjester wrote:


Soren wrote:A quick skim of Aristophanes' iso tells me that he's either a busy person or has limited access to a pc, possibly both, thus he hasn't posted much. But when he does post, he contributes by offering his thoughts, tries to understand the line of thoughts behind reads and most importantly, he votes.

One problem I see is the lack of his own reads, he's trying to understand other people's reads more than giving his own reads.

"Trying" to understand other people's reads is one of the easiest things to fake a scum.

I feel if Aris was town he'd actually look at the wagons, identify the people on them, read the cases each had provided for the wagons, and ask specific questions about things he didn't agree with or understand fully.

"WHY ARE PEOPLE VOTING FOR TAYLOR SWIFT? I DON'T GET IT. CAN SOMEONE POST A CASE FOR ME PLEASE," isn't trying to understand the wagons. It's a lazy attempt to appear sooooo relatable and sooooo town because townies have doubts and are skeptical about things.
AND HE'S DONE IT THREE TIMES!

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killerjester wrote:I can only assume you completely ignored my case because I'm right.

What, that I was busy and didn't get why there were wagons on people I had strong townreads on?
That I then asked for explanations?

What, in my presence here, has led you to think I am lurking and not just a busy guy?
If I had had time to read all the cases, dissect the wagons, and respond, I would have. This was not the case.

If being busy is scummy, then lynch me now as I'm going to be busy most of this game apparently.

You asked for explanations from people who had
already given explanations
. You might be a busy guy, but do you see the impression you make when you ask a question like that? The first that you haven't made an attempt to understand the wagons, otherwise you wouldn't be so fucking clueless. The second that you intend to devote time and attention to their replies once you receive them, otherwise you wouldn't have asked the question.

It's a contradiction, you see? You're so fucking busy when it comes to the original reasons the wagons started, but you plan to read what people tell you once you're not preoccupied, but if there's going to be time when you're not busy why wouldn't you use that time to look at the original wagons? Because you're too busy.

Yea not buying that shit for a minute.
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Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:48 pm

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I got distracted yesterday and ended up pushing DLA's wagon. I'm lucky you guys had enough sense to see ika scum but I will NOT make the same mistake today. Aris dies.
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Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:38 pm

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V O T E C O U N T
3 0 2


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He was lying when he said he moved to L.A.
He's just hiding out on the other side of town
with his head in his hands and she's just 7 miles away.


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(L-3)

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Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:13 pm

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Aristophanes wrote:It hasn't really changed much from before tbh. I have kept up, but not really read back on anyone recently.

Espionage and Not Mafia are still the most likely scum from where I'm sitting.
I don't remember anything from Empking, so I'd definitely have to Iso to see where he stands.


Y?
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Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:38 pm

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Aristophanes wrote:Espionage and Not Mafia are still the most likely scum from where I'm sitting.

Can you bless us with another full read like the one in ?
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Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:57 pm

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Soren wrote:
Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: ika

Why did you vote for Aris only to hammer ika after Elyse voted for ika?


I was partly voting Aris to see if anyone hopped on and tried to detail the ika lynch. I hammered mainly because a) I wanted day to end. b) his last post was super scummy, trying to claim credit for acting scummy, akin to when newb scum get run up in RVS and then say "I got us out of RVS!"
Also, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.
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Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:58 pm

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Can I get a quick readlist from you Aris. I would like it to have no explainations for any of the reads but I want it done immediately as you read this without overly thinking about it. This is not a trap of any kind if you have to put people in null then do it. We can go on from there.
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Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:35 am

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I would vote Arist, But I'm definitely in favour of massclaim before day's end in this position.
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Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:37 am

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Soren wrote:
Bookitty wrote:I targeted no one either.

How is a self watcher able to target someone? Why would you even say that you didn't target anyone when you have a passive role?

Then again you said that there is another part of your role? So you have another ability but didn't use it? Why?


What do you hope to gain from this line of questioning, Soren?
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Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:57 am

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Bookitty wrote:
Soren wrote:
Bookitty wrote:I targeted no one either.

How is a self watcher able to target someone? Why would you even say that you didn't target anyone when you have a passive role?

Then again you said that there is another part of your role? So you have another ability but didn't use it? Why?


What do you hope to gain from this line of questioning, Soren?


1. Why are you dodging the question with your own question?

2. Unless you have a satisfactory reason to not answer my questions, please respond to my questions.

3. In response to your question. There is a paranoid dog owner who is confirmed town at this stage of the game. While there is also you who has claimed self watcher which is seemingly the same role as DLA. I don't really see why there would be two incredibly similar roles in a game. As I said before, given the nature of the roles, anyone can claim their role without the role screaming scum at someone. In my Greatest Idea Mafia game, someone claimed an investigative role. Did I assume he was town based on that? Yes. Why? Investigative roles are usually town. In my experience at least. But what did this guy's alignment turn out to be? Werewolf. So given such a past experience I can no longer safely assume that someone is town simply based on a role claim that is
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a townie role. So I begin to ask myself two questions: 1. Why are there two similar [town] roles in a game? 2. Can I safely assume that Bookitty is a townie self watcher simply based on her claim?

Under close inspection, there's two response to the first question. Perhaps there are two similar town roles in the game, I mean, they're not entirely the same role anyways. And there appear to be multiple of the same roles in the game anyways due to ika's role description saying that there is another faith healer. But the difference between ika's case and yours, is that you don't share the same role name as DLA. But of course, everyone has their own role catered to them based on their song choosing.

And the answer to question 2 is that I cannot safely assume that Bookitty is townie simply based on your claim. This is because I can imagine a self watcher who is mafia aligned because it is an informative role and is useful to mafias too.

Anyways the point that I am trying to make that:
1. It seems odd that there are two similar roles in the game and
2. I cannot safely assume that you are town simply based on your claim.
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Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:58 am

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Aristophanes wrote:It hasn't really changed much from before tbh. I have kept up, but not really read back on anyone recently.

Espionage and Not Mafia are still the most likely scum from where I'm sitting.
I don't remember anything from Empking, so I'd definitely have to Iso to see where he stands.

Scum reads usually entails you explaining them as well...

Now how long will I have to wait to get his response...
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Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:01 am

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@Soren: Okay. Let me be more clear.

Do you support a mass claim as has been suggested in this thread?

Are you trying to pressure me to full claim right now?

What do you think the advantage of my full-claiming before the mass claim would be, Soren?

If you don't think I'm town by play then you should absolutely push for my lynch. Trying to get a full-claim out of me without committing to wanting to lynch me, though, is just rolefishing. So stop it.
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Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:18 am

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Bookitty wrote:Do you support a mass claim as has been suggested in this thread?


That's a cheap town tactic and takes away the fun of the game. Having said that, if we really have nothing going on at the moment then I'm not entirely against it.

Bookitty wrote:Are you trying to pressure me to full claim right now?


Not really. I'm just saying that I can't safely assume that your role is town aligned.

Bookitty wrote:What do you think the advantage of my full-claiming before the mass claim would be, Soren?


Uhhh if you claim and a mass claim will inevitably follow then there isn't an advantage. Your claim would be part of the mass claim.

Bookitty wrote:If you don't think I'm town by play then you should absolutely push for my lynch.


Your play generally speaks town to me. However, how ever town you may play, there is still the slight chance that you are scum. After all, it's not really that hard to act town. Therefore I will still have to instigate further with regards to my read on you.

Bookitty wrote:Trying to get a full-claim out of me without committing to wanting to lynch me, though, is just rolefishing.


I admit that I'm trying to learn your role a bit more. But that is because it would be more helpful to determining your alignment.
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Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:19 am

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Also, what do you think of the Aris lynch, Boo?
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Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:25 am

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Bookitty wrote:
Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Aristophanes


I want to read a little bit more and my schedule is pretty full until tomorrow, but yeah, I think that's probably right.


I have already answered that, Soren.
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Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:27 am

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It seems that I was unable to recall that post. Thanks for going to the trouble to bring it to my attention again. ^~^
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Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:28 am

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Did you have a read on Empking, Bookitty? He's been quite a concern to me throughout the game because he has barely contributed and doesn't exactly explain much.
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Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:29 am

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Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:01 am

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From Ika's
Serenity East November wrote:[The mafia] are aware of your existence, but not your identity,
and that you are [REDACTED] Mafia nightkills.

Just a thought: I'm guessing the redacted is that Ika is immune to night kills, and mafia knows this. It
might
be that scum targeted ika last night, but I think that's unlikely. Nevertheless, the lack of NK may have suggested to scum that whoever they targeted was the traitor.
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Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:03 am

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It would be funny if ika's target was the reason the kill got blocked.
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Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:04 am

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I'm totes ok with claiming btw. I don't like my role and I really fail to see how it is even worth using. Wouldn't be the first time I've seen it as a town role, but I will never understand the point.
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Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:10 am

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I'd prefer to claim tomorrow, but it's not the end of the world if we do it today.
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