All right, I got to spend a weekend with LLD, and that was great. And now I'm back. And I have scum. This is a 100% guaranteed lynch-me-if-wrong red flip. And friends? Listen to me.
So, to preface you'll notice I have some favorite scumtells. And one of them is simple (so simple ZZZX should have caught it with his VCA). FOS scum, vote town. FOS Scum, vote town.
Lets begin a little tale. It starts here.
↑ wgeurts wrote:Guessing you're not going to explain why.
VOTE: ABR
We're in a nightless and all info is relevant, hiding it is anti-town. I'm going to vote you until you say it was a joke or explain why it's serious.
Fair enough, it is RVS.
A ton of interaction with ABR, and then the case on Silverwolf is made. And it is good.
↑ wgeurts wrote:UNVOTE:
That's a genuine point.
UNVOTE. No revote. Genuine point? Heh. THIS IS NOT MENTIONED AGAIN. In point of fact his next few posts are all genuine bullshitting with people until we get this:
↑ wgeurts wrote:VOTE: MetalSonic
I do believe I also stated to ZZZX scum would pounce on the stuff you've pounced on as a sort of slayers gambit. You've attempted to falsely frame me, as expected from scum.
So "Good point on Silverwolf... vote: Metal Sonic"
Lets examine Sotty now that she's the primary wagon.
↑ wgeurts wrote:EBWOP:
And sotty, I need to look at the sotty/ICE interaction ...
What does he find?
↑ wgeurts wrote: ↑ GreyICE wrote:Your "townhunting" theory and townblock are so incredibly bad that one cannot believe you came up with them unbiased.
Nightless games inevitably snowball. See Camden, or my setup I designed with Hito. At the moment we have 4 mislynches to town loss, but after a single scum lynch we get a spare mislynch. 5 mislynches is nice. Two scum die, and we get 6. That's really nice. 3, and we get 7 fucking mislynches, and if we manage that we should all quit the site.
So the scum are going to be looking to vote as a block. I smell protectionist scum who wish to work together.
Reading the Sotty/ICE interactions (Via ISO) and I noticed this. This was never pushed afterwards was it?
ICE, why didn't you question ZZZX further on this?
Hey GreyICE, go vote ZZZX. That's the review.
↑ wgeurts wrote:If it's SvT I'd say ICE would be the town.
Can't tell what it is yet though.
Your thoughts ABR?
Next thoughts on this?
↑ wgeurts wrote:VOTE: Eddie
Ice has a very good point in
317, his reaction afterwards was also awful. He didn't even attempt to explain the inconsistency (like MS, however he just changes topic). Saying "you suck" isn't a valid defence.
Quick to follow me onto Eddie. Doesn't follow on Sotty at all.
↑ wgeurts wrote:ICE and Sotty could actually be TvT, I'm also not seeing Kagami's accusations of ICE just dropping the sotty read either.
Started a look at Seraphim as well, is his voting pattern always so erratic?
Willing to lynch kagami.
VOTE: Kagami
Finally a scum vote!
↑ wgeurts wrote:Imagine most of the scum are in {Kagami/Seraphim/Eddie/Zar}.
I honestly think Sotty and ICE are both town. This would be subject to change if Kagami flips town.
Mmmm. TvT was it. Lets face it, Kagami was playing so epically poorly that it doesn't seem like there's any hope of him surviving. So we get this extremely soft bus. EXTREMELY. We get very little on Kagami, ever. We do get this:
↑ wgeurts wrote:Ok, here's why I'm town reading Sotty.
His first post (
112) starts my town read on him. He's already starting to figure out the game, trying to see who's town and who's not.
Then there's the interaction with GreyICE which I believe is TvT. Although his defences are a little shoddy I believe that he's truely convinced that GreyICE is completely pushing him off "lies", much as I did when MetalSonic voted me. He's received the similar tunnel-vision type play I admit I then got after MetalSonic and is trying to show everyone ICE is completely wrong and is early on biased into thinking ICE is scum for all his upcoming posts.
Once he draws away from this in the bottom of
208 and in the bottom half of
316 he shoes a pretty town mindset showing thoughts on players which develop as the posts go along.
There's also the fact that he finds everyone that's voting him is scummy and opportunistic. This is something I do myself as town when I'm getting frustrated when a wagon forms on me. As when you're town you know at some point scum will join it, so you try to show the world that as you are convinced there are scum on your wagon. The problem is, people don't think you're town and therefore it makes arguing "scum are on my wagon" a really weak argument. This type of behaviour is something I'd expect from town, it doesn't really make sense as scum.
His blatant demanding explanation how GreyICE has any good points on him also fits this frustrated town view.
640 is a nice post of his.
And there's a little town cred that he resisted hoopla lynch, could be faked but hey.
↑ wgeurts wrote:Yeah, hence I said it could be faked. But Sotty has real natural reads which you can follow if you look beyond the ICE tosh.
The hoopla thing is minor.
Yah, town can be wrong, but where are these opinions even coming from.
Wguerts has never asked Sotty a single question.
Go back and check. Not even ever. Kagami either. No questions, but reads erupt. He asks lots of people questions too... but not Kagami. Not Sotty.
↑ wgeurts wrote:Now my Zar scum read isn't the strongest but it's base off him being rather "flexible" with his reads. If I'm wrong on one of my scum reads it's probably him.
His reads list in post
717 is rather conveniently structured. He's got a Sotty/Seraphim/Eddie/Kagami lynch-pool; basically a broad group of those that the most people suspect of being scum. Hoopla's also nicely in the middle meaning he can transition to her quite easily if wanted, this was when discussion on hoopla was starting and hadn't yet brought up a wagon or strong scum conviction. He also doesn't vote anyone strengthening my thought that he was setting up to cherry-pick a good wagon after waiting a little more.
969 continues this as he votes sotty when hoopla and kagami are both being wagoned hard at that moment. Why doesn't he vote them as it's obvious sotty isn't getting lynched at that point in time, kagami he fully ignores (one of his scum-reads) and he doesn't say a word on hoopla. Could it be, he's once again positioning himself to join one of these wagons? Using the sotty vote to make it look less blatant?
He also starts to shed a bit more doubt on nacho, around the same time others were starting to shed doubt on nacho.
975 blatantly expresses this suddenly growing suspicion, he's still pushing a stupid wagon and not even commenting on kagami.
Most of his nacho scum read is because nacho town reads seraphim while Zar doesn't making nacho suspicious.
The next day he suddenly agrees with a kagami lynch, he completely ignored it the day before and now he decides it's worth pushing. He also makes sure that he shows suspicion in nacho, the other likely wagon. Sotty is no longer worth wagoning it appears.
Scum with Kagami case. Heh. Wants bank off the bus.
First actual case on Kagami?
Here:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6759586
Vote is on Nacho during this, mind you.
Learn the signs, friends.
Vote: Wguerts
