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[pieguyn]

actually reading SK's post it turns out I'm wrong about Mala not giving a read on him D1, she had him as town.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[pieguyn]

also, if you're a town roleblocker and blocked Mala, claim. tia

[jasonT1981]

actually reading SK's post it turns out I'm wrong about Mala not giving a read on him D1, she had him as town.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

yup, which is why I have asked Mala to explain the thought process of 'town' at the end of day 1.. to not being able to 'sort' him in a re-read N1 to submitting an attempted Vig N1 after failing to sort him in a re-read after thinking SK town.

[pieguyn]

yeah, it's even worse than I thought it was knwoing she had him as town

she went from town reading him D1 -> thinking he was likely enough scum to vig him N1 -> NOT thinking he was scum anymore after being RB'ed D2. ???

[Nexus]

Votecount 2.9:

Malakittens (3)-

pieguyn, SleepyKrew, Egg

DeltaWave (3)-

Boonskiies, Malakittens, jasonT1981,

Egg (1)-

sthar8

Not voting (3)-

Bins, DeltaWave, Trojan Horse, Save The Dragons,

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is at 6pm on the 30th April 2015. (expired on 2015-04-30 13:00:00)

STD is v/la until Sunday 3rd May.

[pieguyn]

also I'd like to reiterate that "x-shot vig, failed every night" is one of the easiest throwaway claims for scum and not an auto-town claim like a lot of people generally think. not saying this makes her scum, although I do think she's scum for other claim-related reasons (namely it not fitting with her reads and scum conveniently RB'ing her N1 despite it making no sense)

[Bins]

I really wish Bins would have been able to catch up before th deadline because we are at a critical stage.

yeah unfortunately this is a really hectic chunk of days for me due to school.

i'm currently on page 15 and reviewing the most recent stuff. i probably go over wagons and crap in a bit.

[sthar8]

Sthar, walk me through your thought process. Are you for some reason assuming we have either two protective roles or a town RB+bodyguard? Because one of Mala and Jason being scum seems more likely to me.

how about you learn to read instead?

[Save The Dragons]

Personally I think we should verify the vig claim rather than lynch it. I do have doubts but it's easy enough to check.

If there's a roleblocker involved, it's a town RB; there was no reason for scum to RB mala.

[sthar8]

also, if you're a town roleblocker and blocked Mala, claim. tia

FUCKING WHY SKREW AND I JSUT HAD THIS CONVERSATION ARE YOU EVEN READING HTE FUCKING GAMR

[Egg]

also, if you're a town roleblocker and blocked Mala, claim. tia

Acknowledging this and the fact that I'd comply if I was in that situation. If everyone does the same, we can rule out any town RB scenarios or confirm that mala was in fact blocked by town.

I'll also confirm that I didn't protect Sleepykrew last night and am confident that I in no way contributed to stopping Mala's claimed kill on Sleepykrew.

Preview edit: the hostility is unwarranted. I asked you to walk me through your thought process, but I guess you decided not to read that, ironically enough. Basically, it was a question, not an assumption.

[pieguyn]

If there's a roleblocker involved, it's a town RB; there was no reason for scum to RB mala.

hence why *if* it's a town RB they need to claim right the fuck now instead of staying silent for *insert shit reason here*

[pieguyn]

OK so at this point, everyone alive has either claimed VT or posted without claiming the block on Mala. so it wasn't a town RB who would have blocked her here. (and fair warning, I will PL the fuck out of anyone who attempts to claim RB sometime later down the road as opposed to claiming it now - claiming it now is the theoretically correct play)

[jasonT1981]

Is there a reason sthar8 has become so defensive and abusive when someone asks questions to him recently?

[jasonT1981]

I would also point out, that with no crumbs to speak of by Mala in day 1 at all, and no indication of being a Vig, any potential RBer got

extremely

lucky with a shot in the dark it would seem.

[pieguyn]

indeed

[sthar8]

you know what pie? fuck you.

i'm really fucking sick of 'i'm just right, sheep me, you're all stupid'

i am NOT claiming if I am the roleblocker, because I'm NOT wasting town utility on a TESTABLE ROLE.

[Save The Dragons]

Pie, that is a disappointing course of action. It seems to me that outing a power role if it exists D2 seems like a bad idea when it is not necessary that we do so. It would neither confirm nor deny Mala's guilt, while her vigging would.

Especially strongarming a PR to claim, I don't see the point of that. I don't think everyone is of the opinion the town RB should claim, so everyone acknowledging your post doesn't preclude a town RB from being in the game.

[sthar8]

call it what it is: blindingly stupid and antitown

[Save The Dragons]

The way I see it pie is neither stupid nor antitown, though she is a bit overzealous.

[sthar8]

so unnecessarily outing town utility is a protown, intelligent thing to do?

[sthar8]

like, the net loss on this is so fucking trivial

[pieguyn]

Pie, that is a disappointing course of action. It seems to me that outing a power role if it exists D2 seems like a bad idea when it is not necessary that we do so. It would neither confirm nor deny Mala's guilt, while her vigging would.

the problem is, the entire assumption that her role is confirmable relies on it actually being town who blocked her here. if she's town and scum RB'ed her, then we're essentially stuck because they will almost certainly chain RB her every night after this, at which point we have no way of confirming it either way.

I'm pretty sure town RB claiming is the theoretically correct play here. we'd wind up with {whoever it is + Mala} as likely town if it's the case.

[sthar8]

stuck on what? use your brain

WCS is that we have the same conversation tomorrow...

[sthar8]

also how does claiming the roleblock make mala town? are you high?