Team Mafia: Young and Beautiful

[wgeurts]

Remember, you don't need to be pushing a town lynch. Let your partners do that.
Ignore that you're scum for now and that you need a lynch, only focus on getting that town read you need.

You can also mention that ank's the weakest of my scum reads and that I doubt ika/theel are scum together.

[wgeurts]

Anyway, I'm going to start reading your game T-Bone.
I'll retry understanding esp's as well.

[Aneninen]

Push zach for exactly that, it's the last thing people would expect scum you to do. Pushing Ank is what they expect and will lead to your death eventually.
You need to try and form a town bloc, with regfan in it as the town. I'll look at others but you can say that wgeurts suggests a CES/Regfan/Antihero bloc.

Also saying the above may start question towards me, it also shows that when you mention me that you're not making it up if they see my interactions that could follow from this.
It's also odd for a team member as scum to reach out in thread to a scum partner.

We need to play what they least expect, wait a little (please post that sentence though.) and if your lynch is inevitable it's time to start a shitstorm. (Once again, read nacho.)

Begrepen. 't zal passeren later. ^_^

[wgeurts]

Dat is dan goed geregeld. We kunnen dit nog winnen!

[wgeurts]

*･゜ﾟ･*:.｡..｡.:*･'(*ﾟ▽ﾟ*)'･*:.｡. .｡.:*･゜ﾟ･*

[wgeurts]

Woops, wasn't meant to post that.
(I found this wacky keyboard for iPods)

[Aneninen]

Wellshyt.
I guess we have to wait with that quote from you. Check out Antihero's latest pieces of art.

Basically, he's simply Regardless Of Card-ing me.
I could point out that according to this logic this would have happened:
I'm voting for CD or CES --> you're scum, because of jumping on a major wagon
Not voting --> you're scum because of not voting
Scumreading someone very town --> you're scum because of not reading the thread
Townreading a major wagon --> you're scum who wants to derail a wagon because of he's your buddy (no flip) / because of buddying a townie (town flip)

Etc.

I seriously don't understand why noone even questions Antihero's obv-townness at this point...

[wgeurts]

Actually, now's the best time to post it.
As it's going against all she said.
If you're town you wouldn't care what she said.

[Aneninen]

And what to answer to that bullshyt?

I'd make a separate post for BBT and another one for Antihero, maybe simply telling that "you're Regardless of Card-ing".

[wgeurts]

Ok lets work together and find an optimal play, I'll go look at the posts.

Points I think you should build it on:
1. Take a mentality that you accept your going down, but trying to aid town by doing so. Have you read nacho or should I quote the posts?
2. Push a really unlikely target.
3. Relay what I said and say that you now agree that CES is town. Also do a full 360 on ank and see her as town, because of team reasons I'll create. I'm not a good scum hunter, but I know hoe to make a read look legit.
4. Push the formation of a town bloc with reg in it.

Lets do this in order, I'll recheck anti now but I'm online for the coming hours so we can work things out.

[wgeurts]

Because currentely it looks like you're panicking, anti sees this.

[wgeurts]

I've reread anti, I'd say ignore her.
Time to start a theatre.

[wgeurts]

You should make it very clear you came to whatever conclusions "you draw" come from talking with your team.

[wgeurts]

Actually, don't 360 on ank.
That's a really bad idea.

[wgeurts]

Got the nacho posts:

Spoiler:

Before I go, I need everyone to agree that they will follow my reads that when I'm gone. It is optimal town strategy to play popcorn lynching in this situation (two mislynches in a row in an 8:4 nightless) because our voting to power is going to go to shit when I'm gone. The lynches I want are:

Kagami --> EddieFenix --> Sotty --> Seraphim

I understand the Eddie over Sotty case is surprising and weird to most, but I'm scumreading mollie at the moment and that read takes priority over pretty much anything else (Kagami goes first because her scumflip is literally the best thing this game can get).

The townies in this game are:

ABR
ZZZX
Metal Sonic
wgeurts

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Zar
GreyICE

From this point on, you operate as a group. The best thing I can do for you is be the cement Hoopla talked about yesterday: if you have any doubts, any questions about that group, let me know and I'll get to them as soon as possible. I will not focus on defending myself as much anymore because I do believe my death can be a really good thing for town: I'm going down, but I'm going to make sure the scumteam is absolutely fucked when that hammer vote on me.

I know I'm a dramatic person. I'm sorry, I have a lot of fun when I'm playing mafia. That doesn't mean I'm being emotional about this. That doesn't mean that I'm wrong about optimal play here. Don't go "oh, nacho freaked out/nacho's a weirdo/nacho's dumb/nacho played poorly" because that's not the truth in any world. I don't get this way often about games, but this game turned out to be absolutely perfect for the things that I'm good at doing, and I'm putting in the work, I'm putting in the time, I'm doing my part for this town win.

ABR: I was frustrated with you earlier because I didn't understand your approach, but I understand it now. You are who brought this town together. You are the guiding hand, and you are the voice. Please, trust me in this moment and carry out my lynches when I'm gone: your goal is to keep the town together, and, if the worst happens and Kagami flips town, it is your job and your job alone to tear down the town block and form a new one. If Kagami is town, please place faith in her like you've placed faith in me. I love the way you've brought this town together with nothing but unfiltered passion: don't let go of that after I flip town.

Metal Sonic: Don't be afraid to have a little faith in other people. The missteps you are making are because you're taking too much on your back all on once: you have made strong pushes, you have played well. But your biggest mistake has been shutting people out. Stop shutting people out. If you disagree with the game plan, bring BBMolla into the conversation, tell him Nacho sent you: he's a strong player who is underestimated very very easily because he's inconsistent and distracted by shinies just a *little* too easily. He will understand exactly what I'm doing here.

ZZZX: Don't let up. You're falling behind, you're not putting the heart you were when this game first started. Yeah, the game lags sometimes and lynches don't happen instantly, but that doesn't mean nothing is happening and putting that heart and impatience into looking over the game more and putting your thoughts in the thread is going to help people see how town you are a lot a lot a lot. You also have a problem of shutting people out like Metal Sonic: don't do that. You know how shitty it feels when people call you a bad player and when people don't give you a chance to contribute, so don't make the same mistake they do.

Wgeurts: Have faith in me! Your play this game is great, your move onto me despite not scumreading me was enough to demonstrate exactly what ABR was doing and exactly what this game needed, and thank you for that. I don't think Sotty is town. I don't think Zar is scum. Make sure to look over why I think the things I do before I die so you can ask me questions if you need them. Also, I'm a guy.

GreyICE: I'm glad to play with you again, you're a fucking great player and I forgot actually how much I enjoyed playing with you when you're on your game. Don't get distracted by dumb shit, and please please please please please use my flip to its highest potential. I know you don't understand some of my play but you understand enough and you were my rock this game, so thank you for that. I'd love to play scum against you sometime in the future: I'm actually pretty proud of my improvements there and am pretty confident I'd steamroll the hell out of you

Zar: I didn't realize how strong you actually were as a player until your recent posts, please post more. Your logic is on point, your reasons for reading people make perfect fucking sense, and I'm glad I got to gain newfound respect for you as a player. I don't actually have anything except "be louder, be more aggressive" and apologies for not reaching out sooner: I honestly had no idea how to react to the swap because it was quiet and weird and I didn't really understand reasons for why, but I also don't understand the dynamic between you-Empire-Tammy, and I can see you being frustrated with not being seen because you are a very strong player.

Kagami: If you are town, you are the only chance town has of winning. If you are town, I have failed, and you are going to die. Come to terms with that fact. Prepare for death. Be aggressive, be open about your thoughts, be loud. There's no reason to hide those pocket scumreads because you absolutely 100% are going to die and there's literally nothing you can do in order to prevent that death. What you CAN do now is set the stage for a town win after you're gone: be the cement I'm trying to be now.

Of cause you shouldn't start a vengeful plan but really look at the tonenin these two posts.

[wgeurts]

I hate mobile keyboards.

[wgeurts]

Now, you should reconsider your CES read in-thread and put him as town with team reasoning.
The new scum group I'd push is Ika/Zach/BBT.
I can help form solid reasons for them is needed, I can do it now if you want.

[wgeurts]

So you should say something like "after talking with my team mates we've come to the conclusion xxx".
If played correctly it should break you out of this condemning situation.

[Aneninen]

It's not sure yet that I'm getting lynched...

The most important things are
(1) should I post that original "message" to BBT?
(2) should I post that I'm ignoring Anti, or telling that he's Regardless Of Card-ing me, or should I leave his posts unanswered?

Everything else comes later.

[wgeurts]

1. Yes
2. Leave unanswered and start pushing a new wagon.

Preferably do 2 while revamping your reads. Seriously put CES as town, he looks like someone who will be easy to manipulate once on your good side.
As for zach/ika, I'll go make 2 cases on them for you.

[wgeurts]

Because anti is suspicious because of your reads, as is ank.
Time to do what they least expect (remember CD's unvote? People started doubting their scum reads when he took an unexpected route.)

[Aneninen]

So, a separate post for your quote.
And a next one about... consulting with Wgeurts and rethinking my reads? (Maybe even unvote Ankamius?)

Nacho did a great leaving-post indeed. I'm not still there, I suppose, but I'm getting the point.

[wgeurts]

Actually, this could really work.
Put CES as town, but put anti/reg as people you fully trust are town (what where you old reads on them?).
Then I'll show you some magic:
(Lovely post coming, typing on iPod though.)

So like Nacho had me, ABR, MS and ZZZX as town and zar and greyice lower down.

So we can do:
Town:
Regfan
Anti
CES (according to wgeurts)

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BBT
Theel

[wgeurts]

Not only does this make CES look really bad when you die, it also disguises BBT.

[wgeurts]

Feel free to say that BBT could be swapped with ank, that you're not sure but wgeurts really thinks he's town.

Now, for the big post.