Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Hydrangea]

/confirm

[elusive]

Andrius, I like RQS. In fact I really like them. On my original site the people who were fun\sporting\creative and sometimes I got walls about people from questions like which element would you choose and why. I am able to better play when I know something about people and RQS helps me. My version here is the lite version but I still enjoy it.

And I don't reserve questions like that just for RQS, any time the game stalls or I need to reconfigure I ask questions so labeling them RQS is probably not quite accurate more like "Gentle Probing Questions" to help with voices.


Singer,

The possibilities are endless but initially I thought you voted someone who just hadn't posted and was in possibility of being replaced.

Other things possible are as a townie trying to prod a player but you didn't state that or imply it or as a scum trying to prod a buddy before they come under suspicion.

What are your theories?

[ika]

Ok so i just got home and i see 4 pages.

Sigh this is going to be a fun game....

That being said, im going to be breif again (i just got off work and am now relaxing for the hr then going out drinking and crap)

MS, i know why your doing that but stop its going to paranoia mollie a bunch shes town

that also being said hydrgena is anohter scumspect of mine

[ika]

give me 15 and i should be able to quote/respond to things that i want to

[ika]

Vote: ZZZX

Not at all RVS. This is a policy lynch. Basically for Pathfinder Mafia and I have it on good authority that Pathfinder Mafia was not a unique occurrence.

Good to dance with you again, ika.

Plz dont remind me of waltz game, I still feel guilty about manipulating mollie like that.

Heh. I already have two townreads. This should be fun.

VOTE: Bookitty

Whos the second?

onto page 2

[ika]

Ribbit!

Hi everyone. Fro99er half of Frogging Mollie here. Just introducing myself. I've played about 3-4 real life mafia games with Mollie/Singer and some others not in this game. Only one forum mafia game complete (newbie 1593) - did fairly well D1 and most of D2. Got frustrated D3. Hence hydra-ing with Mollie felt like a good move to learn a bit more. I'm in two other newbie games now as well. I'd consider myself a quick learner though.

Wecome to the game i have heard about your arrival and am excited to see how this unfolds

Ok i got called into work so im going to make it breif:

mollie, im town too. here my gameplan:

sort out elusive
sort out grib
sort out you (shouldnt be long)

i have sevral lgith town reads already on grib and elusive for meta reasons.

y am i not first

i am moving on though to more serious stuff:

VOTE: singer

no comments but only confirmations?

mollie, i am presuming you can sort singer fast? i have little experince with her so im seeing how much you know

not as fast as I can sort metal

VOTE: metal

mollie your always first, you know that. they are just ohter players that i need to sort out cus if you die early (and seriously if someon kills mollie n1 im going to be mad) i need others that i can relay to and talk to

VOTE: mollie

this is for u!

-.-

MS, mollie is not day 1 lynch. unless her slot does a scum claim i will fucking defend it to the end. we have a new player and givene the fact he also had a bad newbie game i would like to at least hold off trying to lynch the slot day 1

mollie town

ika town

MS town?

add in grib and elusive and i think we are set atm

Heh. I already have two townreads. This should be fun.

VOTE: Bookitty

elaborate

he should but im about 99% sure hes going to say im town off my meta right away (in b4 he doesnt to trick me). I would like to hear his other though

[Frogging Mollie]

@pie

okay, looks like you will have to sign.

also, maybe i am getting rebound syndrome but mollie's push on me without trying to interact with me in a meaningful way is really disgusting. it reminds me of a recent game.

@ mollie:

i am assuming nick refers to me? cos when the hell did you ever refer to me as nick

and what are you feeling pretty good about? about your vote on me or are you like townreading me now. gold sounds like a good thing

erm

pretty sure posts 25 and 29 were me ineracting with you, yeah? so that is a

lie

. i thought your responses were crappy so i voted you.

nick is froggy. I had just got done explaining to froggy as to why I was voting you and making sure he was okay with that. and I feel good about you being scum for the reasons that I stated. gold is a good thing cos i think your OMGUS is scummy as fuck. hitting scum is hitting gold to me.

@ singer

game link: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=60270

you shld read abr's post game meltdown where he rages about his team, the players and the mod it is pretty epic.

I don't really care if my post comes across as self-conscious or not. the motivation behind my posts shld be the indicator not any attachment you have to what you perceive as a scumtell which isn't actually a scumtell. neither is bad grammar. but I trust you will get a better grasp as the game progresses.

@ zzthing

do you really have metal as town like holy shit batman wtf

Have I slipped into some bizarre parallel universe where people take the RQS business at least semi-seriously?

see I am pretty sure that I have wandered into this alternate universe where pple don't know how to scumhunt but then I remember how I find myself here all of the time.

so far metal has yet to make a correct statement about our history or interactions and it bugs me.

while I am on the subject of what is bugging me:

- singer saying she has only played with me but then later saying that she has played with some1 else? but it feels like a shiny thing so I am not jumping on it. also I don't understand the zzthing vote and how that was not rvs. I am waiting to discern the motivations behind her posts in order to get a clearer picture but that might take a bit.
- ika saying he is gonna go out drinking with his friends in an hour it is like 12 pm where he lives.

eta: xposts

[ika]

@pie

okay, looks like you will have to sign.

also, maybe i am getting rebound syndrome but mollie's push on me without trying to interact with me in a meaningful way is really disgusting. it reminds me of a recent game.

@ mollie:

i am assuming nick refers to me? cos when the hell did you ever refer to me as nick

and what are you feeling pretty good about? about your vote on me or are you like townreading me now. gold sounds like a good thing

MS, elaborate on how you think its not meaningful? if your refencing nightless, then thats easy to expalin mostly cus you were scum

Ooh, I haven’t played this game but the visuals and some of the instrumentals are epic. Lush.

I like Plum’s take on policy lynch, it is my own view. I’d rather take a replace or force replace over PL any day.
ZZZX needs to confirm anyway if they are going to be in the game. I have no clue what their playstyle is but this is game and it can get a bit rough, if you don’t like roughness then leave players who do like it\engage in it or don’t mind alone or change your approach to them. If you poke a tiger with a stick and it bites your head off then you’re the imbecile not the tiger.
Frogger, welcome! It’s easy to get frustrated. I’m not newish anymore and I’m still figuring out coping mechanisms for frustration. Recently, I’ve been trying using GIFs to replace words. So I’ll find a GIF that captures my feelings (roll eyes, punch wall, etc) and post that instead of words because words can get tricky.

I’m not sure why Metal Sonic unovted me after sheeping ika, what did he resolve about my lack of posts or anything? Why is he sheeping ika? What the what? Votes jump around a bit too much.

RQS Questions
If you’re town answer, if you don’t answer vig gets a nice clear headshot
1. Which element would you choose (theme related) – Water, Wind, or Warmth?
2. Choose a player you’ve played with already in this game and describe their town vs. scum meta
3. Choose a player you don’t know at all and ask them a question.

TIA

P-Edit: Don't like singer's vote on the player who hasn't even confirmed, it avoids direct interactions with anyone.

VOTE: Singer

wind
grib town meta is to be fluff and trolly to a sense but abel to make lighthearted humor in it all and be entertaining
grib scum meta is to be kinda deflective and not do much at all
adrius whats your relation to plume scince you seem to knwo her

vote: ZZZX

ill bite: reason?

Have I slipped into some bizarre parallel universe where people take the RQS business at least semi-seriously?

elusive takes it very seriosuly and i take it serious as well. if you have a porblem theres not much i can say

Mmm, I've commented/addressed the people I've noticed so far, meaning ika hasn't really stood out to me despite his vote. Of the three, MS with a WNI as a soft-distance buddy. Also, you've played with me before. Why did you choose me as the person you don't know at all?

Also, my vote was not in RVS, you're right. Discuss.

oh really? im dissapoined, singer, i got a question for you as well. If you were scum who would you kill n1 and why?

pedit: yes mollie its 12 pm here and i just got off a 5 hr work shift and one of my associates is also off work so we are going to hang

[Frogging Mollie]

also I am probs not gonna answer elusive's questions I think they are pointless and idc if she thinks it is a scumclaim. it isn't. it is me wanting to get shit done cos I usually have the lifespan of a housefly when I am town and I don't have time to cater things that I don't feel like is particularly meaningful.

mebbe I am just uncreative.

[ika]

but im here atm if you need me im mostly caught up on my stuff

pedit: LIES AND SLANDER, you are very creative mollie and you know that.

[Frogging Mollie]

ika, I think you are townreading metal for dumb reasons.

don't hand me that "OMG HE DROPPED A SPESHUL TELL" cos he deliberately did that shit in organic and he is lying about what is going on here between he and I. he is catering his game to you by kissing your ass and you are gobbling it up like candy! I think you underestimate scum!metal he knows how to meta dodge (I told froggy this in gchat).

[singersigner]

Singer,

The possibilities are endless but initially I thought you voted someone who just hadn't posted and was in possibility of being replaced.

Other things possible are as a townie trying to prod a player but you didn't state that or imply it or as a scum trying to prod a buddy before they come under suspicion.

What are your theories?

I still don't really know why you think your initial gut was scummy/a scumtell. Maybe scum looking for a copout vote? That's stretching it, but ok. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Really, I have this working theory (started by GuyInFreezer, actually) that scum try to delay the pre-game confirmation process since it would give them more time to talk. That was part of the reason I was in a rush to confirm (the other part was checking my role PM on my way to work so...priorities). There was a 50/50 (or 100) that I could get it on the first go. So yeah, just one theory, I guess.

@ika...are you going to call everyone who "/confirms" scum? Where's your head at, because it really feels like you're greasing the town reads you have and generically calling anyone else scum.
Preview Edit: how well can you read Mollie? If you end up scumreading her by the end of D1, would you still hold off on lynching her? Because saying she's "off the table" at this point seems a little premature. Your inclusion of the "newb" as an excuse not to push the slot is duly noted.

@hydrangea...hello?

@Andy...I haven't had great experiences with ZZZX, either. In the game I played with him, he didn't claim beloved princess until he got rung up on like D4, and scum kept him alive for the win on D6. In another I saw him claim that he was useless early game, but "wait until late game, I really shine then!" It's not like I'm thrilled to play with someone who makes calculatedly bad choices as town, but what do you expect to "be done" about ZZZX? I'm not opposed to policy lynches in large games, because numbers imply town can recover from a mislynch, but in a smaller game you can't just use that as an opportunity to "teach someone a lesson" in the ways they suck as a mafia player.

I do think this makes you more town, though, since I think scum are more likely to ignore him until they're forced to bus, or allow him to stay alive for mislynch fodder later (or to just make the wrong decision in lylo as he's bound to do).


Preview Edit:
@mollie...hoooooooboy. We're gunna have to get real here. First off, you're cherry-picking my general statement of me not being able to read you well because I tend to be easily influenced by posting style over content, which has made me a less-than-confident player, which you know. Second of all, I'm not sure how you got me saying that you're hyper-aware of your meta as saying I thought you were over-sensitive about it, but I believe you when you say you don't care. Maybe you will if you're going to get mislynched for it, who knows.

And I fucking hate it when people are like "I trust you to do the right thing" because it manipulates someone to read you a certain way by automatically influencing their subconscious with the illusion of ooomustbetown. I think "fearmongering" is an appropriate buzzword? (I really don't know if that applies as much as I think it does)

I forgot ZZZX was in RRR, so oooshiney all you want? If you try making that a scumtell it'll just make my job easier.

Why don't you let Fro99er take more of a lead? Maybe be more transparent with his thoughts?

Preview Edit x2:
fffff. I can't focus long enough to make one post.
@ika...I think that would depend on who my scum buddies were. If Mollie was town then probably her because I think she doubts me the most and I wouldn't trust my ability to get away with manipulating her. If she was one of my scum buddies then I would defer to her judgement as I make no claim to have any sense of strategic ability whatsoever and will just roll over if it's not someone currently scumreading me, lol.

What did you hope to gain with that question and did you?

[singersigner]

That was a really dumb way to phrase that question. >_>

@ika...re: your question...what information were you hoping to gain from me with that question? Did you gain that information? How/why/why not?

I'll try not to be so wall-y in the future.

Also...hydrangea, bookitty, yukari, grib (a little less so), hi how are you engage pls

[Plum]

Have I slipped into some bizarre parallel universe where people take the RQS business at least semi-seriously?

I actually liked all of the questions but the first. Did you not? There's not really a point in not humoring the gesture unless you think there's nothing to gain from it, in which case, attack the questions, not the concept.

I guess I'm just used to a site meta that generally regarded such things as dreadfully unfashionable, believing they were at best pieces of null fluff that didn't really further the game (a site meta I agreed with). I'm still not convinced that it's anything particularly helpful, except maybe to Elusive for getting conversational tone stuff that she described. I'd rather answer than not if it's more distracting to enough players for me not to do so.

1. Warmth

. It's the Ŋoldo in me (Andrius, I'm amused that this game's elements roughly correspond to Arda's thematic elements).

2. I've been away a while and frankly I don't know Town vs. scum metas in general

, certainly not well enough to describe. It's nice to have a sense of baseline playstyle so I can avoid misreading things as alignment-indicative that are only playstyle-indicative. I know Andrius as a player, but not as a Town player or scum player particularly.

Andrius - fine, consider me duly informed that ZZZX is someone you feel strongly enough about to pursue this and will keep in mind your presumed strong opinion that he might be a major detriment to the Town regardless of alignment. Now let's do stuff that is related to alignment.

ika's pick on singer was good IMO.

You really think so?

ika

are you literally telling MS off for voting Frogmollie because new player in hydra? Uh, seriously? Even if you're disinclined to actually lynch them today - suggesting that no pressure on them Day 1 is the right course of action? Really? Or is this just in conjunction with your early read on them or whatever?

Preview edits: What Frogmollie is saying to ika just reinforces my feelings about constructive vs. unconstructive uses of meta as a tool. Ugh. Also singer basically asks my question too. That works.

[ika]

ika, I think you are townreading metal for dumb reasons.

don't hand me that "OMG HE DROPPED A SPESHUL TELL" cos he deliberately did that shit in organic and he is lying about what is going on here between he and I. he is catering his game to you by kissing your ass and you are gobbling it up like candy! I think you underestimate scum!metal he knows how to meta dodge (I told froggy this in gchat).

Oh im aware of his blaiteny buddying of me and he should be aware that ass-kissing does not work on me unless if you are someone i know very well and have a high regard to. However Im leting him do it for now jsut to see how it plays out. Fair?

That being said I do want to try to sort out the others (grib/elusive mainly) and bounce reads with you on other people so if one of us dies we have a good grasp for the other.

Got any reads on andy/plum or ykari?

pedit one sec ill respond

[ika]

@ika...I think that would depend on who my scum buddies were. If Mollie was town then probably her because I think she doubts me the most and I wouldn't trust my ability to get away with manipulating her. If she was one of my scum buddies then I would defer to her judgement as I make no claim to have any sense of strategic ability whatsoever and will just roll over if it's not someone currently scumreading me, lol.

What did you hope to gain with that question and did you?

That was a really dumb way to phrase that question. >_>

@ika...re: your question...what information were you hoping to gain from me with that question? Did you gain that information? How/why/why not?

I'll try not to be so wall-y in the future.

Also...hydrangea, bookitty, yukari, grib (a little less so), hi how are you engage pls

I was hoping to see how you would react and how you go about it. I short, i wanted to see your mindset. And yes your answer is sufficent enough to me. The how/why will come anohter time if you dont mind. I like to keep some secretes atm

UNVOTE:

ika

are you literally telling MS off for voting Frogmollie because new player in hydra? Uh, seriously? Even if you're disinclined to actually lynch them today - suggesting that no pressure on them Day 1 is the right course of action? Really? Or is this just in conjunction with your early read on them or whatever?

Preview edits: What Frogmollie is saying to ika just reinforces my feelings about constructive vs. unconstructive uses of meta as a tool. Ugh. Also singer basically asks my question too. That works.

I never said not to pressure them, i said not to lynch them. But if you want to take the literal context of "dont presusre them" then i would say no. Mollie can hold her own very well but i like to give new players to the site a day to get into a game and get used to it. My early read could argubly play bias into it but if its player that someone has told me about i tend to give them day 1 pass. If its some random player that i have no knowlage about its fair game.

Can you clairify the preview thing i dont understand

[Grib]

Heh. I already have two townreads. This should be fun.

VOTE: Bookitty

elaborate

I will.

I see confident statements like these more frequently from scum who know who they can buddy up to and be "right" about. The lack of stating who also leaves you open for changing it later and filling in the blanks based on who you think will be more universally on your side.

And yet, you haven't done anything to figure out if that's exactly what I'm doing.

vote: ZZZX

Why are you voting for him?

Ooh, I haven’t played this game but the visuals and some of the instrumentals are epic. Lush.

I like Plum’s take on policy lynch, it is my own view. I’d rather take a replace or force replace over PL any day.
ZZZX needs to confirm anyway if they are going to be in the game. I have no clue what their playstyle is but this is game and it can get a bit rough, if you don’t like roughness then leave players who do like it\engage in it or don’t mind alone or change your approach to them. If you poke a tiger with a stick and it bites your head off then you’re the imbecile not the tiger.
Frogger, welcome! It’s easy to get frustrated. I’m not newish anymore and I’m still figuring out coping mechanisms for frustration. Recently, I’ve been trying using GIFs to replace words. So I’ll find a GIF that captures my feelings (roll eyes, punch wall, etc) and post that instead of words because words can get tricky.

I’m not sure why Metal Sonic unovted me after sheeping ika, what did he resolve about my lack of posts or anything? Why is he sheeping ika? What the what? Votes jump around a bit too much.

RQS Questions
If you’re town answer, if you don’t answer vig gets a nice clear headshot
1. Which element would you choose (theme related) – Water, Wind, or Warmth?
2. Choose a player you’ve played with already in this game and describe their town vs. scum meta
3. Choose a player you don’t know at all and ask them a question.

TIA

P-Edit: Don't like singer's vote on the player who hasn't even confirmed, it avoids direct interactions with anyone.

VOTE: Singer

1. fonti says I'm Wind, and she knows me better than I know me.
2. elusive: her town meta is to ask questions, insult people in really beautiful ways, and be playfully aggressive. Scum meta is to lurk more and scumhunt less, but I'm waiting for her scum meta to be updated.
3. I'm going to cheat and use the question I asked Singer about their vote for this question.

Also...hydrangea, bookitty, yukari, grib (a little less so), hi how are you engage pls

I was sleeping.

ika is a townlean for being interested in the game. elusive is a stronger townlean for her pregame post ('/hope' is

such

a town!elusive thing to do) and for her first game post.

I'm kind of leaning town on MS for openly sheeping people and being a little contrary in his responses.

[Grib]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: singersigner

[ika]

ika is a townlean for being interested in the game. elusive is a stronger townlean for her pregame post ('/hope' is such a town!elusive thing to do) and for her first game post

you saw it too then didnt you.

thats why i had early town on her

[Plum]

ika - Telling a player that we're basically not lynching Frogmollie no matter what Day 1 in response to his vote - the one vote on them - on page 3 - is telling someone not to pressure, not to not lynch.

Clarifying: I felt sympathetic to what Formollie was saying about MS buddying up to you and stuff surrounding that. Obviously there are some players here who already have a rapport/feel comfortable declaring Town reads on one another pretty quickly based on things - meta or something related to it - that most other players here don't have resources to really see as alignment-indicative. And such things - that Grib's post about two Townreads for a blatant example, but also WNI's forst list of Townreads and your response - are particularly useless to, say, myself. And lack of transparency can make it harder for me to be able to figure out what's just rapport and what looks like scum buddying or the like. But your response specifically about the buddying from MS is sensible enough.

[singersigner]

I see confident statements like these more frequently from scum who know who they can buddy up to and be "right" about. The lack of stating who also leaves you open for changing it later and filling in the blanks based on who you think will be more universally on your side.

And yet, you haven't done anything to figure out if that's exactly what I'm doing.

You assume I didn't.

I did.

Thank you for clarifying, though.

unvote
vote: Grib

[ZZZX]

@singer the fact that unless i lurked like those games it wont be the same.

Am I wrong?

[ika]

ika - Telling a player that we're basically not lynching Frogmollie no matter what Day 1 in response to his vote - the one vote on them - on page 3 - is telling someone not to pressure, not to not lynch.

Clarifying: I felt sympathetic to what Formollie was saying about MS buddying up to you and stuff surrounding that. Obviously there are some players here who already have a rapport/feel comfortable declaring Town reads on one another pretty quickly based on things - meta or something related to it - that most other players here don't have resources to really see as alignment-indicative. And such things - that Grib's post about two Townreads for a blatant example, but also WNI's forst list of Townreads and your response - are particularly useless to, say, myself. And lack of transparency can make it harder for me to be able to figure out what's just rapport and what looks like scum buddying or the like. But your response specifically about the buddying from MS is sensible enough.

fair enough. I did kinda lay off after it but if things do pick up i will porbally step in myself out of my own nature.

how about this then, do you think anyone here who is going "person is town based on metea" or un specified read list is scum right now? what are your thoughts on players? your also relativly new (to me at least) so we can talk for a bit.

I do have a question that i asked any but i will ask you, do you 2 know each other IRL or something?

[ZZZX]

like honestly those 2-3 games fucked up my whole name, made me look like a scrub :/ missing my golden days.

But I will go along and tell you, I aint getting lynched, cus I am hunting some scum down

[ZZZX]

mollie please sign ur hydras posts btw