We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

BRantz - His ability doesn't make sense to give to scum. With that ability he could just remove himself from LYLO, kill at night, and win the game. That's broken and this game wasn't balanced but it was checked to ensure it wasn't broken.

Who're the mods of this game, Drixx? I forget.
But YOU know this is BS, if no other player here does. (I do, so you should too. Yes, you know.) Scum can and have been given this EXACT role before.

Like I said.
If not for the cop innocent.

I'd be lynching you because bluntly, no player is being more anti-town than you.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

So for clarity. Our role, in full, is Easily-Overwhelmed Jailkeeper.
Our first ability (screw caution, you're lynching us anyway right now), Paranoia, means that if one (and only one) player targets us during a phase, we reflexively jailkeep them.
Our second ability, attention deficit (huh, I always thought the term was attention deficient, but deficit is what the role PM says), is that if we are targeted by two, and only two, players (again it says during any phase), we protect them each from one nightkill. (We ourselves are vulnerable, and it is only ONE nightkill we protect them from.)

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

*Easily Overwhelmed Reflex Jailkeeper. (I don't know why they didn't say ReflexIVE, but it's Reflex in the title.)

[BBmolla]

(Also worth noting is that at any point, we could have hammered BBM but we have yet to do so. There are a bundleloads of pro-town-looking ways to go about doing so, but we haven't.)

Irrelevent? You'd have a whole nother day to deal with, there wasn't really a way to hammer me without looking sketchy. Nice try though.

VOTE: Bulbasaur Commonwealth

This feels right to me with their claim and everything. Plotinus seems town as fuck and there is no way the other two are scum.

It's possible, but I think that MS site meta is moving away from bussing as a good strategy (although I haven't really peeked my head into the Mafia Discussion forums since I came back, so I'm just taking a guess there or adopting the same thinking as Venusaur).

^I love this into votes on vonflare and Vyse. This seems like scum mastin from Sabotage Mafia to a t.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Like.

Here we are.
We have what might be a winning strategy.
We don't die.
Plot doesn't die.
Scum need to break that.

And there, you, Drixx, are...trying to break it.
Molla if scum needs to cast suspicion onto us to win.
You if scum, however, also need to do exactly what you have: doubtcast onto us because what's true of Molla is true of you as well. If it comes down to us, Plot, and you, if we trust Plot to be town and Plot trusts us to be town, then we lynch you. Godfather-lying-about-being-BP, Werewolf-lying-about-being-BP, doesn't matter how, but all that work you've put into milking the cop innocent (which is exactly what you've done) would be for naught if you can't swing a lynch on us.

So I'll repeat.
If not for the cop innocent.
It'd be YOU I'd want to lynch right now.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

MOLLA.
I WASN'T PLAYING THE GAME AT THAT POINT.
THAT WASN'T ME.

[BBmolla]

MOLLA.
I WASN'T PLAYING THE GAME AT THAT POINT.
THAT WASN'T ME.

Doesn't matter. You post at the start of the game with your strategies in your scum QT. I've fucking seen you play mastin. You plan it out, you don't just tackle it.

Dropping the "bussing is sub optimal" then bussing is such a fucking thing you'd plan to do.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Irrelevent? You'd have a whole nother day to deal with, there wasn't really a way to hammer me without looking sketchy.

Oh yes there would.

I'm a master.
MASTER.
Of being behind.

I've set a precedence for accidentally hammering as town.

I could be "behind" and cast a "reckless" vote, and go, "Um...whoops?" and suddenly all is forgiven. Well, no, the town wouldn't be that forgiving, but it'd be pathetically easy to walk my way out of because, hey, guess what? I'm mastin. Knowing players, understanding how their minds work, and manipulating them is what I DO as scum. So damn fucking straight I could.

And this is just one way I could do it!

[BBmolla]

why the fuck are you even attacking Drixx, he's town, like we're NEVER lynching him, like that doesn't even make sense from a town point of view

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

You know another way I could do it?
Hey, Molla, guess what?
You've basically still yet to show why you're town.
All I'd have to do.

And I do mean, ALL I would have to do.
Is come in, point this out, say I'm tired of waiting, and hammer. (Well, I'd probably have Ivy do it because it'd sound more realistic coming from Ivy than from me, but point still stands.)

[BBmolla]

Like look, if I end up getting lynched today, whatever I don't fucking care, but there isn't really any possibility of anything but you being scum here so as long as people promise me your head tomorrow in the case of my lynch I'm good

[BBmolla]

You know another way I could do it?
Hey, Molla, guess what?
You've basically still yet to show why you're town.
All I'd have to do.

And I do mean, ALL I would have to do.
Is come in, point this out, say I'm tired of waiting, and hammer. (Well, I'd probably have Ivy do it because it'd sound more realistic coming from Ivy than from me, but point still stands.)

Then everyone gives you shit because you shortened the day and didn't get my reads for no reason?

You're full of shit and just trying to cover face.

This is why in the case of my lynch I'm getting an assurance of lynching you tomorrow cause you'll fucking make up shit like this and talk your way into a Plot lynch or a fucking BRantz lynch even

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

why the fuck are you even attacking Drixx, he's town, like we're NEVER lynching him, like that doesn't even make sense from a town point of view

Hmm...how about the fact that I am town...Plot if town with us makes a gamebreaking strategy...you were sitting at L-1 and if scum were about to lose...and now we're on the verge of being lynched because of Drixx? You want us dead, Drixx wants us dead and will come in and fucking hammer without a second's hesitation and THEN that gamebreaking strategy will be lost, doubt will exist on BRantz, Plot, you, and maybe even Drixx and guess what? Nobody will have a fucking clue who to vote, an environment RIPE for the scum win.

So damn straight I'm attacking Drixx.

Plotinus was at least reasonable. Drixx, not so, especially considering it's me.

And GOD I know this is impossible but if I didn't know any better I'd say both you and Drixx were scum because you're, frankly, both acting like it and I feel like I'm getting fucking endgamed here thanks to Plotinus's vote.

[BBmolla]

why the fuck are you even attacking Drixx, he's town, like we're NEVER lynching him, like that doesn't even make sense from a town point of view

Hmm...how about the fact that I am town...Plot if town with us makes a gamebreaking strategy...you were sitting at L-1 and if scum were about to lose...and now we're on the verge of being lynched because of Drixx? You want us dead, Drixx wants us dead and will come in and fucking hammer without a second's hesitation and THEN that gamebreaking strategy will be lost, doubt will exist on BRantz, Plot, you, and maybe even Drixx and guess what? Nobody will have a fucking clue who to vote, an environment RIPE for the scum win.

So damn straight I'm attacking Drixx.

Plotinus was at least reasonable. Drixx, not so, especially considering it's me.

And GOD I know this is impossible but if I didn't know any better I'd say both you and Drixx were scum because you're, frankly, both acting like it and I feel like I'm getting fucking endgamed here thanks to Plotinus's vote.

did you just slip

how can you get endgamed

[BBmolla]

who do you think is scum?

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Doesn't matter. You post at the start of the game with your strategies in your scum QT. I've fucking seen you play mastin. You plan it out, you don't just tackle it.
Dropping the "bussing is sub optimal" then bussing is such a fucking thing you'd plan to do.

NOT WHEN I'M NOT AROUND.

X-men Mafia? That game was a hydra of mine...technically. I posted in the pregame. That's it. All it was from there was promises that I'd catch up which I never followed through on.

Here, I also wasn't around--so much so that I was barely contributing until the last few days when I managed to get out of my rut.

Meaning,

THAT POST WAS NOT MADE WITH ANY INPUT FROM ME.

[BBmolla]

who do you think is scum?

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

did you just slip
how can you get endgamed

I get lynched.
Two scum alive.
Two town alive, but only one of them is kill-immune.
Bam. Endgamed.

That's what I mean.

BRantz probably isn't scum but fuck if I know.
Plotinus I'm not sure--the trajectory could be scum leading up to voting me to get rid of a serious threat to them, but it doesn't feel that way. I originally gut-scumread them, but now it's circumstantially more likely to be town than not but not absolute and I'd place my faith mainly in Ivy.
Between you and Drixx?

Well, Drixx has a cop clear on him, but he's fucking acting like a godfather. Like, if I knew how to read him as well as I could read AP, I'd be tempted to say deja vu of Tales with him milking the towncred, rubbing it in my face, and using it to push for the most anti-town course of actions possible.

And you?
YOU should know better.

This is not my scumgame. Not even remotely. It's not my strongest towngame as the above doubt

clearly

shows, but it's not my fucking scumgame, especially since I never claim to be able to break the game as scum; to my memory, every time (and I do mean EVERY time) I have made that claim, I've been town who legitimately (right or wrong) thought that there was a breaking strategy that could be used.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Like, I am legitimately so frustrated right now.
Drixx knows.
KNOWS.

Fucking

KNOWS

that I try to break the game as town. (It frustrates me because every player who could verify this is long-since dead. But he knows.)

You know it, too.

Both of you shouldn't be pushing me as scum.
Both of you are.

Like I said. It shouldn't be possible for there to be two scum. But you two, combined, together, certainfuckingly make it seem like there is, Molla.

[BBmolla]

I don't even get why you think Drixx is so scummy

Everyone is town but you guys, and you're well within the bounds to fool me, and the way you're acting like this is a game loser makes me feel even better about my vote.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Like, I guess that overall I'd think you slightly less likely to be scum than Drixx in spite of the innocent.

Put this way, roles-wise the lynches should be Molla-BRantz-Drixx.

Play-wise I'd put that as Drixx-Molla-BRantz.

His play is just that...bad. And I can maybe see you as town.

[BBmolla]

When "breaking the game" is just you surviving that's not really breaking the game lmfao

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Everyone is town but you guys, and you're well within the bounds to fool me, and the way you're acting like this is a game loser makes me feel even better about my vote.

BECAUSE I FUCKING FEEL LIKE WE'RE THROWING AWAY.
WHAT WAS A GOOD PLAN.
WITH A DECENT CHANCE OF FUCKING OVER SCUM.
FOR A SCENARIO. THAT WILL CREATE A NO-PLAYERS-CLEARED GAME.

So damn fucking straight I feel like this is a game loser.

I am town. The only way the game ends with my lynch is if there's two scum left alive.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

When "breaking the game" is just you surviving that's not really breaking the game lmfao

YES IT FUCKING IS.

[BBmolla]

Everyone is town but you guys, and you're well within the bounds to fool me, and the way you're acting like this is a game loser makes me feel even better about my vote.

BECAUSE I FUCKING FEEL LIKE WE'RE THROWING AWAY.
WHAT WAS A GOOD PLAN.
WITH A DECENT CHANCE OF FUCKING OVER SCUM.
FOR A SCENARIO. THAT WILL CREATE A NO-PLAYERS-CLEARED GAME.

So damn fucking straight I feel like this is a game loser.

I am town. The only way the game ends with my lynch is if there's two scum left alive.

IT'S NOT A GOOD PLAN WHEN YOU'RE FUCKING SCUM

YOU'RE NOT THIS DENSE

STOP PRETENDING