Mini 1673 - Greatest Idea Mafia (Game Over!)


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Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:27 pm

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Mini 1673 Vote Count
VOTE COUNT 2.14


Soren (5): farside22, Ricastle, elusive, Persivul, RadiantCowbells
Bert (1): Soren

Not voting: Bert, PeaceBringer


Day 2 deadline is 8 June, 2015 at 10:00 PM EDT, or in {(expired on 2015-06-08 22:00:00)}
There are 8 living players, it takes 5 votes to lynch or no lynch.

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Nothing of note.


Soren, lynched Day 2, was a Town Watcher.


It is now Night 2. You have until 10 June, 2015, at 1:30 AM EDT, or in {(expired on 2015-06-10 01:30:00)}, to get your actions in.
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Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:46 pm

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RadiantCowbells, killed Night 2, was a Mafia-Kill-Immune Townie

Ricastle, killed Night 2, was a Town Watcher


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On this Day, only farside22 and Bert may be voted for a lynch.
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VOTE COUNT 3.01


Not voting: PeaceBringer, Persivul, elusive, farside22, Bert


Day 3 deadline is 24 June, 2015 at 3:00 AM EDT, or in {(expired on 2015-06-24 03:00:00)}
There are 5 living players, it takes 3 votes to lynch or no lynch.

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Only farside22 and Bert may be voted on this Day.
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Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:44 pm

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It would be nice if the thread was unlocked! My apologies for this error. The deadline has been moved back an hour.
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Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:21 pm

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Gotta sleep but I did get through the game

My vanillaizing is negative utility so I didn't use it.

Also a reminder that elusive probably gladiated me and farside, because the other claimed roles were confirmable and it makes no sense for farside to do this (peace is dayvig, persivul got not-SK as FBI agent without knowing the existence of a vanillaizer, I think)

Bert wrote:what I did? I took no action.

I am essentially a VT right now. I was a 1-shot gladiator. I could target two people at night to be lynched the next day, provided neither one dies.

Problem is, I targeted Tazaro and Guille Night 1 hoping to get Tazaro dead D2 lol, because gut feeling

Hammering Tazaro was worth it, especially evident in twilight, and I have no regrets. :)


Reads: peacebringer strong town, farside lean town, persivul weakest town read, elusive scum
I feel confident about elusive-scum.

If I'm lynched and farside is also town, I recommend farside shoot elusive tonight.

Will post on my computer later.

Oh and also I'm guessing farside has been making nightly kills regardless of alignment.

Gladiating only makes sense from elusive, but my read on elusive is based on play.

Farside we should discuss a lot before you vote me or whatever happens today

Unless all outside the gladiated vote together, then day will go on
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Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:25 pm

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"correct" play is for me to vote farside since even if I don't think far is scum, as voting far is playing the percentages. And I seriously doubt farside would gladiate me. Whatever. I'll think about this more at lunch
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Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:28 pm

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Oooo people lied!
Don't vote yet Bert. I want to check something first.
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Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:39 pm

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Never mind I forgot RC replaced errant.

Okay so I agree with Bert about elusive being scum and lied about his ability. He's the only one that makes sense to do this with who is left.

Obviously scum put me up because I'm immune to being shot.
Bert is a claimed vanillizer so probably fear of being targetted.

This fucking sucks.
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Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:51 am

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Don't have much time right now but FWIW:

- Since RC was killed and was mafia kill immune, that seems to indicate we have a SK or other third party left. Is there anything like a town-aligned night vig or other town role that can explain that kill?

- If there's a SK, then unless there was only one scum to begin with, it may be that town has already lost, and we're just playing along to see if SK or mafia win
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Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:25 am

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Farside is the SK? Or scum?
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Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:08 am

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I had a bad vibe yesterday on farside but need to check it out further.

That whole kerfuffle with Jeanne and the goo on D1 makes this game hard to read IMO.
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Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:18 am

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I agree, I think I've been trusting farside because she agrees with me but I realized that she kind of pushed Soren after I found him suspicious and kind of pushed my pushes so I don't know how to make sense of that. I have no strong read on Bert and I doubt he and farside could be aligned at this point so he's probably more town lean.

PB was my strongest town read. It's possible he made one of the kills but I thought he was only a day vig?
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Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:25 am

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So why is it neither of you discussed this whole only can vote one player issue?
Do you two work together or something?
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Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:28 am

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I don't know what you're talking about? I thought Bert said something that if no one votes then day goes on so maybe it could be a no lynch?
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Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:30 am

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Hey Bert look at the 2 discussing one kill over the other. I'm sensing inside info between those 2

Here I was thinking Elusive was the SK
Maybe seperate scum teams?
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Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:31 am

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elusive wrote:I don't know what you're talking about? I thought Bert said something that if no one votes then day goes on so maybe it could be a no lynch?


Someone gladiated me and Bert.
obviously someone lied about their claim. :roll:
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Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:34 am

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I haven't talked about either kill, if anything I think PB was the one trying to push Ricastle who was obviously town. The RC kill could be anyone since he clashed and maybe it was even you Farside who SKed him or something.
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Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:41 am

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farside22 wrote:Hey Bert look at the 2 discussing one kill over the other. I'm sensing inside info between those 2


LOL, that's actually how you and Bert seem so maybe Bert or you are the Gladiate and partners and this is all some ploy to get town credit? Idk.

I feel like just because Persivul and I are thinking or talking doesn't mean we're hooking up :P

PB also should come in and speak.
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Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:47 am

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elusive wrote:I haven't talked about either kill, if anything I think PB was the one trying to push Ricastle who was obviously town. The RC kill could be anyone since he clashed and maybe it was even you Farside who SKed him or something.

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farside22 wrote:Hey Bert look at the 2 discussing one kill over the other. I'm sensing inside info between those 2


LOL, that's actually how you and Bert seem so maybe Bert or you are the Gladiate and partners and this is all some ploy to get town credit? Idk.

I feel like just because Persivul and I are thinking or talking doesn't mean we're hooking up :P

PB also should come in and speak.


ah I thought you were going along the same thoughts as pervisul for the NK talk.

The only reason I was thinking you were lying was your claim was the most questionable to Soren.

Yeah I don't have a killing power so I have no clue where you are coming from.

I like the idea of no lynch, I think scum put this gladiate up because of mine and Bert's claims.

Why would you think scum would put themselves up? That's just beyond bad thinking.
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Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:07 am

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I've seen scum do bizarre things for town credit. The game I was just engamed in scum super bussed one of their own for town cred and it worked and they glided to the end. So yeah, its possible in this site and it sometimes even works.
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Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:10 am

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farside22 wrote:Why would you think scum would put themselves up? That's just beyond bad thinking.


Yeah, if Farside and I were a team, then We would gladiate two other players outside the team - which would be effective in forcing a no-lynch or a mislynch (assuming no-lynch is possible) in 2 vs. 3.

My understanding is this, in a nutshell:

If PeaceBringer is already confirmed to be a dayvig (the Jeanne shot), he can't also have a gladiating ability.
If Persivul is actually an FBI Agent, he can't have gladiated. He claimed FBI Agent that got not-SK on Errantparabola BEFORE Errantparabola claimed SK ability, right? (someone correct me if I'm wrong)

I'm assuming one ability card and thus one ability, as there is no dayvig gladiator or gladiator FBI Agent in this setup.

So that narrows the gladiator down to Farside or Elusive, and Farside putting herself at risk like this doesn't make any sense.

Someone is lying about not being a gladiator, as evidenced by the mass claim. Nobody is owning up to having gladiated. Thus the gladiator is almost certainly scum. I'm actually not sure if solo scum (or one scum on a team) can execute a factional kill AND gladiate in the same night. I guess it depends on the moderator or the setup.

That is my logic.

VOTE: No Lynch

If two out of Persivul, Elusive, PB are on the same team, this game is over. If all three are scum (as this game could have started out 6v7), then it's over. Well, if Farside is scum and two out of (Persivul, Elusive, PB) are scum (not all on the same team), it's about which scum wins unless scum cross kill. If all three were on the same team, this game would be over. So it's either <town:scum> 2v1v2, 3v2, 3v1v1, 2v3 or or (best case scenario) 4v1.

Also @farside: I kind of assumed that since your ability card said 2-shot immune SK, that you were essentially a vigilante if town. From what you're saying, I guess you're just 2-shot BP without any other abilities.

Oh, and lastly:

scum gladiator shooting himself/herself in the foot by gladiating a teammate or himself/herself is really ill-advised because there were three kills N1 (and no one has claimed a role with a night killing ability). That, added onto two kills N2. N1 should have been enough hint to not try a gambit like that.
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Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:27 am

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tl;dr scum self-gladiating is just an ugly ugly situation

Also I will look to see if there's a role like a JOAT where, Persivul could have daycopped my slot and then tracked me. That is actually pretty far-fetched, so probably not worthwhile, as now I'm grasping at straws to see who can be the gladiator and who can't be.

ever since the day started, I feel like I'm way too focused on getting the gladiator since he/she is the only KNOWN scum to be alive, as evidenced by no one owning up to the gladiate....all despite there being the possibility of more than just one scum (who happens to be dirty dirty gladiator)

and yes I have played with PB before twice in past games, but that was two years ago. And I think once in a past game (again a good while back) when he was an alt (SKOT).

he's kinda stubborn here about reads, doesn't seem too worried about what people think (lack of evidence/explanation beyond the surface for reads even though he seems to believe in those reads, plus reads aren't really with the flow that much - like the ones about farside/elusive/et al yesterday). not really capitalizing on easy targets. and checked out a bit after using up the vig shot, which makes sense even if it looks scummy on the outside for it.
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Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:13 am

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farside22 wrote:So why is it neither of you discussed this whole only can vote one player issue?

One player?

Personally I assumed everyone read that it's between you and bert today and were already discussing in that context.

I have little experience with gladiator battles but I thought they had to come down to a death.

Mod: is no lynch an acceptable outcome today?


Not that I think that's the best choice right now, but we should know all our options.
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Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:29 am

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it looks like two factions because two kills and no massclaimed roles of having a night-killing ability. NL isn't that terrible if scum try to cross kill.

I don't know why it's being thrown around that there's likely an SK rather than Werewolf, Mafia, etc., but regardless, whichever scum who might be BP or immune to kills or whatever, gotta hope he/she/they shoot the unaligned scum. I still want Elusive shot (gladiator IMO based on POE), but in certain scenarios I doubt scum will cooperate unless their life depends on getting rid of nonaligned scum. Killing off town right now for them might be desirable, although it's still possible tomorrow becomes deciding which scum faction wins (assuming more than one faction) if the game isn't over by then.
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Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:29 am

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Persivul I find it odd that you haven't said who you used your FBI Agent ability on last night. I would think that's an important topic to broach since people have brought up SKs more than once in this day phase. Why is that?
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Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:36 am

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Bert wrote:Persivul I find it odd that you haven't said who you used your FBI Agent ability on last night. I would think that's an important topic to broach since people have brought up SKs more than once in this day phase. Why is that?

Because it's already out that I had an enabler who was killed, and so I'm just a VT now. I verified that with mod.
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