Prozac's Basic Theme 4 - Murder in Marlowe - OVER!

[scotmany12]

I would also really like to know why mollie is voting for zito. During her readslist she had him as town. So what changed?

P-EDIT: Yes or no to Zito's question. Now. Stop with the bullshit.

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm not sold on you being town mollie.

have you seen a game where one with her power was scum? I have seen scum lovers (but they had already been assigned) never a game where there was a scum loverizer. I would love it if there was a chance she was fucking scum. Show me a game where there is a scum loverizer. Until then I am reluctantly thinking she is town.

[curiouskarmadog]

and I DID answer ckd's questions. just like I answered star's in the previous day round and after deciding to make an attempt to work with her I just reposted the answers that I gave the first time.

you didnt...but I dont fucking care anymore. you are probably town, so I am not going to waste the effort in talking (scum hunting) to you. You are a non factor in this game for me. If you and star are both town, you fucked up. If we are ever in a game in the future, you are getting a policy lynch/vig.

[pirate mollie]

I'm not sold on you being town mollie.

have you seen a game where one with her power was scum? I have seen scum lovers (but they had already been assigned) never a game where there was a scum loverizer. I would love it if there was a chance she was fucking scum. Show me a game where there is a scum loverizer. Until then I am reluctantly thinking she is town.

while we are on the topic, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A LOVERIZER WHO CLD LOVERIZE MULTIPLE PPLE IN A 18 PLAYER GAME I AM NOT EVEN SURE WHY I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS.

I would also really like to know why mollie is voting for zito. During her readslist she had him as town. So what changed?

P-EDIT: Yes or no to Zito's question. Now. Stop with the bullshit.

YOU stop YOUR bullshit. I didn't like how zito handled the matty lynch and today I am not liking his push on espy slot. he sounds worried that I might have been able to loverize more than 1 person which does not come from a town mindset.

[scotmany12]

I really don't understand why it is so hard to just answer yes or no. Also, I'd be worried if you could loverize more than one person since I don't trust your judgement atm, and I'm town, so I completely disagree with that.

What exactly don't you like about how zito handled the Matt lynch?

I'm freaked out about CDBs vote on me. He had me as a strong town read during day one, then during day two that instantly dropped. He said my crusade against davstro felt very town, what changed? And one of the posts he quoted to give reasoning for voting for me, my post 823, he said was where he got his strong town read on me from:

scotmany

- Became a strong read here. His Davsto crusade feels town

Right after his vote on me, he posted this:

I think I clearly explained it is because Reck knows PM well, and after meeting her in public I think it puts her tone into a very understandable town-oriented context.

I have no interest in voting Reck if that's what you're moving towards.

But how someone interacts in real life is not always the same as on a forum. And just because two people know each other in real life does not mean they can automatically read each other.

I understand your viewpoint for voting bbm now, but I disagree with it. I simply don't find that scummy from him.

At this point, given how big scotmany went on SC earlier, this post really doesn't have the paranoia of the MattP slot that I would expect from town.

The reasoning here is irrelevant to MattP turning up scum. If MattP was town, he should have still had the same reaction to this. He didn't have a problem with this part of my post earlier, in fact, he like that entire post from me.

[pirate mollie]

and I DID answer ckd's questions. just like I answered star's in the previous day round and after deciding to make an attempt to work with her I just reposted the answers that I gave the first time.

you didnt...but I dont fucking care anymore. you are probably town, so I am not going to waste the effort in talking (scum hunting) to you. You are a non factor in this game for me. If you and star are both town, you fucked up. If we are ever in a game in the future, you are getting a policy lynch/vig.

I did answer your questions.

who do YOU think I shld have loverize?

I HAD to loverize some1 so I went with star. I had changed my mind 4 times before settling on her. it was NOT an easy decision and if I hit town then well at least I had the good sense to push a lynch on scum despite me REALLY wanting matty to be town and despite some of you pple acting like your are holier than tho.

[Papa Zito]

while we are on the topic, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A LOVERIZER WHO CLD LOVERIZE MULTIPLE PPLE IN A 18 PLAYER GAME I AM NOT EVEN SURE WHY I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS.

so you're one-shot then?

[curiouskarmadog]

who do YOU think I shld have loverize?

I HAD to loverize some1 so I went with star. I had changed my mind 4 times before settling on her. it was NOT an easy decision and if I hit town then well at least I had the good sense to push a lynch on scum despite me REALLY wanting matty to be town and despite some of you pple acting like your are holier than tho.

who you picked is not what I have the issue with.

[scotmany12]

CKD. Who you leaning towards being scum?

[pirate mollie]

What exactly don't you like about how zito handled the Matt lynch?

i didn't like how zito had to be dragged there kicking and screaming. <------ I have said this already. the vote looks more like a bus than him actually thinking that matty was scum.

I also think that you are right to not like cdb's voteparking on you, he voteparked on d1 as well. I dunno. his inactivity bugs me.

what do you think of zito wanting dave lynched but voting espy? I found it kind of weird how matty was trying to steer the lynch away from a dave lynch and in this day round myko is doing the same thing. do you honestly think that matty wld try to bus aj/espy out of nowhere in order to save himself? cos I just find it unlikely.

[Papa Zito]

(I'mnotgettinginvolvedinthisI'mnotgettinginvolvedinthisI'mnotgettinginvolvedinthis)

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD. Who you leaning towards being scum?

interesting how this was the first time ANYONE has really asked me this. but I guess I wear my heart on my sleeve (at least yesterday I did) in regards to who i think is scum, so I guess that makes sense.

quick answer, i dont know. still (trying) (re)reading looking for anything...anything. My strongest scum reads from yesterday, dont make sense today given the flips. My strongest read after marq was Notsci, and I am reading her as town.

looking at the thread last night (OMG, i did look at it last night mollie!) I didnt like some of Flames votes..but reading him today. I am null on him.

marq seemed to think reck was scum, marq was killed last night..reck seems to be sitting back today...soo maybe? there is a lot to read here from him yesterday...

something about your voting block buddy (Zito) is not sitting right with me today. (wait, isnt reck part of your voting block too?). I dont really know what though. Even (re)reading him..this is nothing scummy on the surface...gut call?

going to reread davasto, myko, and spiff to figure out why they pinged my scum radar yesterday...see if anything holds true today.

I got to work, so it might take some time.

[scotmany12]

i didn't like how zito had to be dragged there kicking and screaming. <------ I have said this already. the vote looks more like a bus than him actually thinking that matty was scum.

We just have a different definition of kicking and screaming then. Zito was fine with the SC wagon throughout the day, and expressed his suspicion of the timing of SC's replacement request. I wasn't surprising by him being willing to lynch matt.

I also think that you are right to not like cdb's voteparking on you, he voteparked on d1 as well. I dunno. his inactivity bugs me.

I also don't like his reasoning for coming up a reason to iso me, you, and catboi in post 1787. Why is he dropping all of his other suspicions to focus on this one post? SC and Matt had more interactions than just that. This looks like scum freaking out over that one "townbloc" post from him scumbuddy that only included him. It also allows him to line up 2 more lynches once he isn't successful on mine.

what do you think of zito wanting dave lynched but voting espy? I found it kind of weird how matty was trying to steer the lynch away from a dave lynch and in this day round myko is doing the same thing. do you honestly think that matty wld try to bus aj/espy out of nowhere in order to save himself? cos I just find it unlikely.

Zito can find them both scummy so I don't see an issue with it. I would actually expect Matt to vote dave there if dave is scum. Also, at the time of his vote, his wagon really was kind of stagnating. He didn't seem to be in a real threat at that moment, (the latest vote was Marq, which happened about 60 or so posts before that one, and spiffeh and flame were on him forever) so I could totally see him trying to bus his buddy AJ at that moment. I can see him doing both options (protecting his scumbuddy dav or trying to bus his scumbuddy AJ, distancing himself).

@CKD: you mentioned yesterday that I had a good point about the "framing" issue surrounding AJ/SC/Spiff. Do still think so? Also, where did your spiff suspicion come from? Unless I missed something, that is new to me.

[xRECKONERx]

ill come back to this after im done wanting to murder my roommates, nobody special, and whoever the fuck set up my whole network at work

[curiouskarmadog]

@CKD: you mentioned yesterday that I had a good point about the "framing" issue surrounding AJ/SC/Spiff. Do still think so? Also, where did your spiff suspicion come from? Unless I missed something, that is new to me.

i will have to look at it again, time permitting. post number?

in regards to spiff. I think it was my post 827 (i think). it was the first "wall" post of mine. Spiff used the term "over aggressive or over defensive" (I dont remember which atm). if you know anything about me, when someone says that about a player in regards to them being scummy, it sets me off. that is where the suspicion started, and various things throughout yesterday pinged my dar (a little). but I got to reread him.

[curiouskarmadog]

okay I am"turning this off" today...I got to get some work done.

[Bins]

True.

I guess D1 I was super sick of getting questioned or laughed @ every move I made.
I'm not confident D1 to begin with, so that didn't help.

If it makes sense, it's sort of bad of me to say this, but because I wasn't confident in my reads I didn't feel right to go "GUYS VOTE SC NOW NOW NOW I KNOW IM RIGHT EXAMPLE A B C WHY HE IS SCUM YA!" Same with Flame and Davsto. I didn't have evidence D1. Didn't really want people to sheep me if they didn't get the same vibes I did anyways.

^^ I'm not really buying this because while you didn't want people to sheep you, you seemed to sheep everyone else. Folks, take a look at my 1754.

You spent a quantity of your time arguing with Zito rather than just answering his question about why you voted SC. It's paramount, especially on Day 1 to lay out a case just in that manner which you said above. It's okay to not be confident in your reads, but that doesn't absolve you from your refusal to add to the conversation. None of us that are town are certain of anything but our own Role PMs. You wasted a ton of time arguing rather than saying, "I think he is scummy because of this, this and this. I'm not confident that he is scum, but this is my feeling on him." That's all that's needed and you refused to do that. You were vague, you argued when folks pressured you to expound on what you felt was "awkward", and you did the exact thing that you didn't want others to do with you - sheeping.

tbh I never felt I was arguing with Zito until I mentioned that I felt his questions were going nowhere.

And even though I didn't clarify that my vote was on a weak feeling, I thought that was slightly obvious because I only had one reason. "I think he's scummy because of ___, and that's how I feel." is pretty much exactly what I was saying.

[Bins]

VOTE: mattP

Bins:

what was the reason you voted MattP, ultimately?

I said it in the post earlier, but I wasn't liking how even though Matt was posting after his wagon formed, it was like he was avoiding responding to it altogether. I wanted to wait for a response from him before I voted, but then he never responded at all.

[Papa Zito]

Is this magical Day 2 Bins?

Where is magical Day 2 Bins.


Bins you told me all you needed were some flips. :/

[Bins]

@Starbuck,

and my definition of being a sheep is following someone with not a lot of reason other than "I like this person's logic, and I think they seem pretty town, so I'll jump on. Even though I don't have a lot of strong feelings myself." The only place I really did that was FlameAxe, when I "sheeped" Matt's case because I liked it. Although, the biggest reason for my Flame vote was Flame's response to it. I don't like thinking that I'm a sheep, unless I specifically state "I'm sheeping _____". I tend to like having my own reasons for voting or find myself in 100% agreement with someone else's argument.

p-edit: I'm going to the dentist's but I'll be back. I have to go back into stuff.
GIVE ME TIME I JUST GOT OUT OF BED.

[Bins]

Also, I didn't mean to hype myself up. I'm not a God at this game. It's more that I suck D1 and I suck less D2.

[Nexus]

guys i think cdb might be scum.

[Papa Zito]

guys i think cdb might be scum.

say more words

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Davsto

As much as people want to write his uselessness off as noob town I am here to confirm that HE DOES THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY HELPFUL AS TOWN. I have seen it firsthand.

His relationships with MattP and SC are suspicious (refusing to comment on my interaction with SC after I asked him to multiple times, MattP listing him as a scum read but never voting for him) and continues to try and write off my suspicion of him as me tunneling.

Well, now you got your wish!

Even if he is somehow town (which I don't think is the case), he needs to be dead by LYLO because he's just a mislynch waiting to happen.

[Nexus]

guys i think cdb might be scum.

say more words

literally just had the realisation after reading scot's post about his shitty vote on him, to be fair.