Prozac's Basic Theme 4 - Murder in Marlowe - OVER!

[Bins]

myko autocorrected to mike

Um why are people acting like SC would have left some cryptic or subconscious message about who his scum team is in like the first 200 posts of the game?

@mollie who do you want to lynch today?

man i hope you're right because its making me doubt everything

note

Starbuck, AJspeonage, Zito, mykonian. [are scum]

which isn't a bad list.

notty's points on reck aren't bad


pedit — did you see my point on CBD and what do you think

[Bins]

(that pedit was directed to notty)

[Davsto]

i will reread davasto next since he seems to be hot...then myko.

Seriously though, I've waited 15 years to be hot and still nothing. Don't hold your breath.

[Bins]

how did Davsto make me question everything in 2 pages

zzz

SC's ISO gave me nothng to change my mind on my reads

HmmmHMM

[notscience]

I can see your point but at the same time a lot of the reads in that list are just fucking weird, as is the way hes been interacting with mollie

[scotmany12]

@CKD: you mentioned yesterday that I had a good point about the "framing" issue surrounding AJ/SC/Spiff. Do still think so? Also, where did your spiff suspicion come from? Unless I missed something, that is new to me.

i will have to look at it again, time permitting. post number?

My whole exchange with AJ started at about post 201 and goes on for quite a few posts. Post 547, is the one you liked in your post 837. Note that AJ starts with the whole spiff connecting him/framing him with SC in his post 363.

[catboi]

responses in bold

Not only is this really hard to read, I don't find most of the answers to be really satisfactory at all.

I don't really like Espeonage's slot for stuff I've already gone into, but I want to see some sort of reads from him - I'm a little uncomfortable with some of the people voting him right now and still have things I want to review

[catboi]

What were you hoping to accomplish by posting this? What made it interesting to you? I'm very interested in your thought process when you pointed this out.

What I was hoping to accomplish was pointing it out, so I don't forget about it. I'm still compiling reads. SC had very, very limited interactions/commentary, and him picking those 2 names is interesting.

[catboi]

50% proper 50% policy? Seems like you're ready to set yourself up for a defence when I flip town~

This post is trash.

guys i think cdb might be scum.

I probably don't agree with this.



Going to post reads as I work through them, had started Bins last night, sort of summarized how I feel about Espeonage two posts ago, going to dip quickly into people I read as town to give more thorough explanations of why, then cut back to re-reading.

Bins:
unexplained SC vote in 313, says "literally saw nothing i liked more" in 317. vague explanation in 321. Follows matt on flameaxe in 631, says she likes his reasoning - don't think scum stick this closely to their partner. doubt of notscience in 746/752 feels genuine. I don't think scum make a request like in 904 - asking to remove a player they don't like even though they think they're town would seem to stem from genuine irritation. The way she reacts toward matt in 1265 is a bit awkward, general reasoning in 1267 of him not really reacting, while understandable, is something that could easily come from a buddy showing a begrudging reluctance to bus. Her reasons in 1942 are believable, I think. Also like 1985 just because I thought the exact same thing. So, ultimately I'm conflicted here, want to say town but I don't think I can do so with strong confidence due to lack of content. Null but closer to town as I think the towntells are stronger than the iffy votes on SC/Matt, not really intersted in lynching her today.

I wrote this last night before she dropped that big ol' reads post, which I need to get to but I want to post for posterity as a snapshot of my thoughts.

Spiffeh:
town, pretty clearly showing a genuine effort to solve the game, strongly railed against SC early on in the game that I don't think would be likely as a bus, get a real sense of a thought process from him. I'm being vague hewre but constructing a case for him being town feels like it'd be a waste of time I could spend elsewhere.

mollie: town, her role and the manner she used it and her whole attitude are almost certainly town, the fact that some people are expressing suspicion of her still is absolutely ridiculous

Flameaxe: likely town, do not think Matt would go after a teammate so hard with his attempt at his first real case, the way he's been posting with sort of a disregard for people is more likely to come from town than scum I think, can see a hint of some thought process to what he says, he's not all random commentary

[Starbuck]

Ethan loved his family more than anything and would do anything for them. He truly regretted that his work kept away from them so long.

Votecount 2.02

Espeonage

(4): scotmany12, Papa Zito, Starbuck, Davsto

scotmany12

(1): ChannelDelibird

Starbuck

(1): Spiffeh

Papa Zito

(1): pirate mollie

Bins

(1): notscience

Not Voting

(8): xRECKONERx, Nexus, Espeonage, Flameaxe, curiouskarmadog, catboi, mykonian, Bins

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

@Mod - As far as I know, Spiffeh never voted for me

[Spiffeh]

Yeah I was voting Reck at that time.

[Starbuck]

Oh gosh, am I that interchangeable with Reck? Oh noes.

[mykonian]

spiffeh seems convinced about the davsto wagon. That's something. Otherwise I wouldn't have been a fan but I guess that works?

It's better than espe what we had before, for sure.

I didn't do anything I had to do. idk. That kind of day. Also too much to do for this game.

[catboi]

Blackberry/mykonian:

Still like blackberry's opening post. Not sure why he thought CDB was obvtown. Don't really like the lack of explanation for his reads - not a scumtell, just makes it frustratingly difficult for me to understand him. I can sort of understand his dissatisfaction in 1123 but the fact that he's just sort of blandly dismissive of all the votes without really trying to read any of them isn't great. Do like the skepticism he expressed of the ns wason in 1215 as I felt the same way. Notes in 1790 show something of a believable thought process, it's shorthand but that actually makes it a little more believable to me. He's nullish overall, haven't seen enough from him but there's nothing he's posted that stands out to me as outright suspicious.

ChannelDelibird:

I liked the early townread on Marquis in 39 because I thought the same thing - not really a hard thing to do, but still. I remember liking his reads post in 467 when I first saw it, but on a re-appraisal it's sort of thin, weird focus on people making self-conscious posts. I did like the criticism of ckd scumreading people for outing lots of townreads when he said it was a behavior being widely exhibited. His responses to mollie were entirely reasonable but his initial reasoning for scumreading he was fairly meh. However, he wasn't overly aggressive pushing back on her, didn't try to force the case, which I like. His reads list in 1618 doesn't seem forced, maybe a little vague in places but the fact that he's not able to come up with a decent reason for scumreading anyone strikes me as a town sort of tentativeness - certainly easy enough to force a case and I don't see him saying MattP felt "liiiiittle bit town" while deciding to vote him in the same post as a partner - too hesitant to be a bus, would be underselling it. I like the way he's been analyzing SC/Matt's interactions, and the vote on scotmany I think I like - I don't expect him to hold fast to a townread in light of the flip, and it's a 'challenge vote' - he's not hitting a popular target, he's trying to cast a wider view of the game, and the points he's made are very understandable. I'm noticing some interactions there myself but I need to reread scotmany myself before I decide either way yet. So, eh, wish he was more active but I think I lean town here.

I've gone over 7 people and don't have anyone I really strongly scumread, Espeonage is the closest but I'm a little wary there, hopefully can finish going over everyone by tomorrow although I've saved myself some of the more active posters

[catboi]

curiouskarmadog:

Well, I don't love 160, though his skepticism of mollie in 184 was totally understandable. Him agreeing with Marquis in 426 and subsequently unvoting feels natural. I am bothered by the fact he seems to spend a lot of the day hectoring people for the way they're playing while not doing much in the way of advancing his own scumreads. The sort of over the top irritation is something I think can be a scum affectation, in spite of what marquis said. I can maybe pick up litte threads of why he was skeptical of certain people in his catch-up post, but it doesn't resonate with me strongly I think because the perspective he's coming at the game from isn't as relatable to me. I guess I like his annoyance at marquis disappearing in 895 very slightly but him trying to use the game he was modding as evidence against is a bit of a stinker. 993 is interesting in that he's trying to discredit the wagon on matt based on the people on it. Brain says this is scummy, not sure he'd mount such an overt defense but I don't think I can let it go. 1016 is similar, it's a post I could

totally

see scum making, but intuition has me for some reason not scumreading it as strongly as I should. I sort of like how in 1353 he's sticking to his principles about being suspicious of people like Marquis and Spiffeh voting Matt, and avoids the wagon. Except his vote is the swing vote with the wagons locked 5-5, which is gross. But then he abandons it quickly to vote mykonian in 1448. Not sure it had yet become apparent there was no momentum on notscience. Like the unvote freak-out in 1450. 1708 I think is more likely to come from town, think unlikely as scum he complains about a lynch on a partner when MattP was sort of obvious dead weight, I think in that instance with a partner at L-1 scum are psychologically more inclined to give in and bus.

But he never really commented on

why

he disliked the wagon, and was very, very resistant to giving commentary on MattP himself, which is bothersome.

Can't help but feel 1766 reads a little bit contrived. God, I hate posts like 1855 on a purely metagame level but something like that "I don't care if I get modkilled" is more likely to come from town I think. Frustration with mollie in 1927 is believable.

I'm conflicted as hell here, more than I expected to be, insticts lean toward town but there's some ugly stuff. I think I'd vote him if I saw no other good options but I'd feel awful about it. Would vote Espeonage over him, I think.

[catboi]

VOTE: spiffeh

You're calling SC's vote weak but then you vote with the "Maybe you'll do more with pressure"? Can you just claim scum for us?

That's a really bad post

Holy crap, that post was even worse than I thought.

Davsto:

There's just...so very little there. I can understand his complaint about ckd in 881, though of course he doesn't really do anything with it. TO an extent I was sympathetic early because I can see a less experienced player getting overwhelmed by a larger game, but he's on a borderline unacceptable level of non-contribution at this point and has seemingly abandoned all pretense of trying while getting aggressively standoffish with people. I know he's capable of better, and I'm just not seeing anything at all. 1786 is so dumb it might be from town, but not much else I can dig up. Almost totally ignored strangercoug/mattp. Would lynch him at this point, but it would be bordering on policy (not that lynching lurkers is bad policy), can't pretend I have a particularly strong case toward him.



Think that's the last read I'll do tonight, save the rest for tomorrow. Also want to note that I haven't read Bins's wall of reads - I plan to tomorrow, but I don't want to be subconsciously influenced by it while I'm re-reading.

[pirate mollie]

catboi I really like your readslist but I strongly disagree with your read on cdb, I am in camp nexus and notty as far there is something very off about him. I HATE his voteparking on scotty, who is a strong townread of mine.

@ scotty

I remember reading zito saying that sc's replace looked scummy but forgot about it in the neverending relentless negativity of a cple of a players but I think that is why decided to change my mind and not loverize him altho I thought it wld be funny. reck wld have been a funny choice to but star was a stronger scumread at the time. do pple realize I had no choice but to loverize some1 n1? he is just acting incredibly...odd. but you know him better than I do so I will leave him alone for now.

I also see your point in matty bussing but I feel like that is just suboptimal play for d1. it doesn't make you look more town when you do it and hurts your endgame. I don't usually bus unless I have to. I dunno I just expect more from matty I guess. I WILL say that espy's 180 of "mollie! mollie! mollie! I trust mollie!" to saying he didn't even think I was town the second I said I was not interested in lynching star at this time is pretty freaking skeevy! there is also the fact this is the first time that he has ever hardcore reached out to me and I am wondering if he was buddying me and mebbe I was cutting aj too much slack. I will probably join you guys on that wagon unless espy does something amazing.

anyways thanks for actually discussing the game with me.

where the hell is reck.

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE:

[pirate mollie]

nm about reck, I get his head space right now. I am backing off for a bit.

[Porochaz]

Apologies, the votecounter doesn't really recognise shortened names, I do check but one must have gotten through.

[Papa Zito]

Well I see things are moving right along here.

[Porochaz]

Please check the votecount to ensure it's correct (Im about 90% sure it is), in order to help me, if you could use full usernames where possible. For instance Reck gets recognised as Starbuck and CDB as Bins. (no I have no idea why)

Ethan was trying to reconnect with his family, he cut back on his hours and was planning to propose to his wife for a second honeymoon.

Votecount 2.03

Espeonage

(4): scotmany12, Papa Zito, Starbuck, Davsto

Davsto

(2): Spiffeh, Flameaxe

scotmany12

(1): ChannelDelibird

Starbuck

(1): Espeonage

ChannelDelibird

(1): notscience

Not Voting

(7): xRECKONERx, Nexus, pirate mollie, curiouskarmadog, catboi, mykonian, Bins

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

[curiouskarmadog]

skimming

@CKD: you mentioned yesterday that I had a good point about the "framing" issue surrounding AJ/SC/Spiff. Do still think so? Also, where did your spiff suspicion come from? Unless I missed something, that is new to me.

i will have to look at it again, time permitting. post number?

My whole exchange with AJ started at about post 201 and goes on for quite a few posts. Post 547, is the one you liked in your post 837. Note that AJ starts with the whole spiff connecting him/framing him with SC in his post 363.

will look at this soon. work as gotten busy (end of the month, writing reports). I should have time, tomorrow night to get caught up, post, and vote.

[mykonian]

Seen that a couple of people have apparently issues with me calling cdb town, the post below I do not ever see him make as scum. Just doesn't make sense from that point of view. The choice of people of interest, the reasonings, all together makes that cdb is more than likely town here. It helps that I could see where he was coming from but that isn't even necessary to see him as town, I think.

Spoiler: evidence

Read quickly, but main impressions at the moment:

Would vote right now:

AJ, mollie, Davsto, CKD

Definitely not voting right now:

Marquis, Spiffeh

Probably not voting right now:

notscience, catboi, MattP, Reck, Zito, Starbuck

Need more time/haven't decided:

Nexus, Flameaxe, Blackberry, scotmany, Bins

AJ has self-image issues in this game. That whole post is lathered in examination of his play at a really early stage, which is something of which scum are more likely to be conscious at that point.

mollie: I think I might finally be right about mollie being scum. Often I end up scumreading her and she retorts and then, out of nowhere, I'm banging my head against a wall for a few hours before she turns out to be town. But here I was concerned early and acted upon it but she's weirdly standoffish about it. Her anger reaction is long delayed from when I explain why I voted here, until this post where she gets snippy about it to notty rather than me. Where was this objection when it happened? The town mollie that I know doesn't need a second trigger before the reaction goes off. Makes me feel that it's much more likely to be her trying to work over notty than it is her actually being town and honest.

Also like wtf is this. I don't even know where to begin, like it literally doesn't make any sense

This definitely feels in contrast to what I've seen of Davsto around the site so far, and I really don't like the self-consciousness of it. I don't associate lack of motivation with his game. More likely he's got a scum PM in a weird/difficult thread.

CKD is the most borderline of my would-votes right now because there's a consistency to his tone that I like, but then you have things like this where it looks like he's positioning himself on both sides of the fence ('could just be that everything on Day 1 is stretchy... surprised nobody else is with me on this'). Also then he scumreads notty here for behaviour which he more or less admits in the same paragraph is being exhibited by lots of people? That's literally a reason not to scumread someone.

I really didn't like Starbuck theatrically asking "What have you got to hide?" but sheer post density probably means town effort.

[Papa Zito]

ok look if most of you aren't gonna play can you at least just sheep onto the Espeonage wagon?