Prozac's Basic Theme 4 - Murder in Marlowe - OVER!

[Kmd4390]

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Zito said that if Espeon is scum, Mollie gets turbo lynched. Zito died after Espeon flipped scum.

However, Espeon suddenly deciding he's cool with Starbuck dying

could

be an attempt to get a double town lynch

Dav's Espeon vote is probtown for the same reason as Starbuck's. I mean who throws fuel on a fire of a scumbuddy going down immediately after losing another buddy? I can't see it up to that point. Anything after that, maybe though because Espeon is now clearly getting lynched.

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There's Starbucks confirmation that she and mollie are now in love.

Mollie is using the vote counts to make Espeon look town. Hmm. Also doesn't care that Espeon made a throwaway comment that she could be scum.

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Reeeeealllllllyyyyy don't like CKD continuing to push the idea that mollie is confirmed town because he's never seen a scum loverizer before. Like I said, I've never even seen a town one.

Scot is so town.

Nexus made a weird leap from "not even gonna try reading CDB" to "CDB is scum" and didn't say why. Curious what triggered that. <-sheeping Scot apparently

Spiff actually has me warming up to the possibility that Dav is scum. Maybe.

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Dav has me warming up to the possibility that Dav is scum.

There's a lot of support for a Dav lynch but like one vote on him. I mean, in hindsight it's good that Espeon got lynched because he was scum but why won't anyone vote Dav now?

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Bins, I don't get why notscience is obvtown at fuck for his mattp vote when it reminds you of a time he bussed. That just doesn't make sense to me

Through 81. Getting tired.

[curiouskarmadog]

been iffy about Davasto most of the day. But I understand why (some) people are voting him. CDB comes in and says..."I dont get the wagon". fuck that noise. This looks like someone who is trying to get town cred off of a mislynch.

or (less likely)

a defense of a buddy...(ugh, REALLY unlikely given CDB's experience).


either way, i do not believe he doesnt understand the wagon at all.

unvote, vote CDB

this is what initially stuck out to me about CDB. this. "I dont get this wagon." No matter how you look at it, it is a bullshit statement meant to garner something.

he also defends himself to me in regards to this. Which I think is strange because if he thought I was scum, why do this? I dont think he really thought I was scum, but knew I was calling him out on something.

other than that...he just lurks and replaces out.

I would love to point to that and say.."like his scum buddys, he couldnt handle the pressure of the sinking ship"...but it looks like he isnt posting anywhere on sight (checked to be sure).

at the end of the day, my suspicion mostly* hangs on that Dav statement

[Porochaz]

From that moment on, with her large supply of drugs and having momentarily replaced her bloodlust with Prozac she calmed down. Unfortunately that's when the scandal came. The newspapers found out about her drug habit, so she was immediately put into rehab, and that's when her murderous impulses came back.

Votecount 3.04

notscience

(3): scotmany12, Flameaxe, Davsto

Nexus

(2): Bins, Spiffeh

Kmd4390

(1): notscience

xRECKONERx

(1): mykonian

Bins

(1): Nexus

Not Voting

(5): xRECKONERx, pirate mollie, Kmd4390, Starbuck, curiouskarmadog

With 13 alive 12 voters, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-11-22 21:00:00)

[curiouskarmadog]

while reading KMD/CDB, I came across this..and got side tracked.

Town Reads (strongest -> weakest):

mollie, Spiffeh, Davsto, Flameaxe, notscience, <gap>, Bins, mykonian, Starbuck, Nexus, CDB

null:

zito, curiouskarmadog

Scum Reads:

scotmany12, reckoner, espeonage

or

Why would you investigate a town read? What also makes me suspicious is this:

I think I'd still prefer a myko wagon to Espe mostly bc i haven't seen the Espy case and also he's calling me town

VOTE: Espeonage

Sorry you couldn't cruise in my blind spot buddy

The whole notion of people calling Reck town get a pass until Day 4 or w/e

and there is this.

TO BE SORTED, OR ACTUALLY NULL SO FAR

5. ChannelDelibird
8. AJ the Epic (i think this was replaced - help??)
16. scotmany12

MIGHT BE SCUM?? IDK IT'S RECK BUT MAYBE I GAVE HIM TOO MUCH FOCUS BECAUSE I DIDN'T EXPECT THE BUDDYING

6. xRECKONERx

I SCUMREAD BOTH PLAYERS IN THIS SLOT LIKE WHOA

3. MattP replacing StrangerCoug

if you have issues with my category division, this isn't meant to impress everyone. this is actually just me trying to keep my own record of in-the-moment opinions because it's been a while since i've really sunk my teeth into this.

now I remember one time I was scum with someone (DGB?) years ago and they said something to me I thought was profound. I am paraphrasing here but the conversation went something like this.

ME: i think we should kill X because I thought he might be a (role).
DGB: no lets kill Y.
ME: why?
DGB: because most of the day he has had me in his scum pile.
ME: wouldnt his death point a huge finger at you?
DGB: Nah, WIFOM, if someone brings that up, people will just argue that night kill speculation gets you no where. You got to get rid of the threat..and maybe if we are lucky we will still get (role) in the process.

ever since then...3 times out of 5 I will take out a threat over role speculation as town. because she is right.

I realize that me putting this in writing my fuck me in a future meta, but (shrug) metas dont work right?

anyway, as soon as I said anything about the Marq kill, Reck came back with a crap post about night kill speculation..

I still think KMD is scum. I still think this read is a sham, because he already knows going into who he has to slant the whole read to say i am scum....dont believe me? read it from the beginning.

but I think Reck is picking off threats...I dont know if he is mafia...or if we have a SK, but he is most definitely scum.

vote: reck

[curiouskarmadog]

edited: because I hate proofreading. you want a good scum tell for me? it probably is I make fewer grammatical errors.

ever since then...3 times out of 5 I will take out a threat over role speculation

as

against

town. because she is right.

I realize that me putting this in writing

my

may

fuck me in a future meta, but (shrug) metas dont work right?

anyway, as soon as I said anything about the Marq kill, Reck came back with a crap post about night kill speculation..

I still think KMD is scum. I still think this read is a sham, because he already knows going into

this read that

who

he has to slant the whole read to say i am scum....dont believe me? read it from the beginning.

but I think Reck is picking off threats...I dont know if he is mafia...or if we have a SK, but he is most definitely scum.

vote: reck

[Starbuck]

1) the meta case was pretty strong unless you thought people were lying
2) as he said, spiff made a case
3) strangercoug's play had a lot to do with it too
4) matt didn't replace out.

It's ok to be wrong, but at least in hindsight you should be able to see these things

I meant when SC replaced out and MattP came in.

Just because it's easy for you to see, doesn't mean it was easy for me to see. That's not a fair statement. It sucks that it wasn't, but I'm not sweating over it.

In any case, I helped to nail Espy to a tree and I'm good with that.

[Kmd4390]

CKD, I can definitely see where you are coming from on that. I mean we already see Marquis had MattP and AJ pretty low on that list so even if the rest of the team was higher, Marquis seemed to be a threat to scum. But if Reck is scum, holy shit Marquis was good with reads and last night's kill would make perfect sense for a team with Reck in it. Could be a coincidence, could be a good catch.

Guysl I hoped to get some reading in this morning but my son slept in which meant I slept in (a full 7 hours OMG) and now I have 48 hours of work in the next three days, so:

V/LA until Tuesday

unfortunately.

[Spiffeh]

As RVS Reck wagon was happening:

Because reck isn't scum right now

Goddamnit stop quickwagoning my partner

VOTE: papa zito

Also hi Mollie

Does this mean anything?

[Spiffeh]

Probably not but I feel like I would say something similar to AJ if my scum buddy was getting RVS wagoned idk

[xRECKONERx]

THERE'S NO WAY I AM ON A SCUMTEAM WITH A FUCKING FLIPPED SCUMBAG WHO FAKED A HIDER CLAIM AGAINST ME JESUS CHRIST WHAT ARE YOU TWATS SMOKING

[xRECKONERx]

you guys are seriously reaching, huh?

[xRECKONERx]

im loving that ckd is pushing me based on nightkill analysis

get good, scrub

[Spiffeh]

Maybe Espe knew he was going down and did that to "clean" you

[scotmany12]

I am a firm believer that NKA is a huge crock of horseshit and will not be partaking in any wagon that is based off of it

[Spiffeh]

Spoiler: Nexus

ow sc's opening posts are bad.

marquis ++ (thumbsup)

spiffeh no

cdb your vote on mollie is bad

currently don't like notscience

ckd do u liek 2 buddy?

i like blackberry

marquis ++++++++++
i don't like catboi's posts as i already said so i can see his spiffeh vote as a scumbuddyvote

spiffeh only caring about 1 thing is bad

NOTSCIENCE FUCK OFF

literlaly notscience is telling people to do things or die but has done fuck all imo

catboi on the SC wagon - HEY I HAVE OPINIONS BUT NOT REALLY SRY

srsly the catboixspiffeh reactions seem really forced

i still think notscience is worst, actually

vote notscience

also suspish of catboi and spiffeh. ONLY AT P13 THOUGH.

Gotta go make dinner bbiab

Says that SC's opening posts were bad but then spends the rest of this catch up discrediting the ones most vocal about SC's scumminess.

ckd is currently ++

I think Davsto is frustrated town who can't get a handle on it - i know that feel.

town - davsto, ckd, mattp, reck

scum - notscience, spiffeh, catboi

everyone else i am RUMINATING <-good word on whilst stuffing my fat face.

Calls MattP town despite the only comment he ever made about that slot was something negative about SC.

I think I have a decent idea of the game now, I've sorta slipped in. I'll try and be more town, but ya know.

VOTE: AJ I'm not liking him much.

GODDAMNIT DAVSTO

THIS IS A BAD VOTE/REASON

He's the leading wagon so you just *happen* to find a reason to vote him. That's a shit reason. GET IN THE SEA (and also out of my town reads)

Freaks out at an AJ vote (although I remember hating this vote too so this is meh)

CBD can read me really well. I can't read him at all. I'm constantly paranoid about him town reading me, but similarly he hasn't done enough this day for me to have any idea of his alignment.

I am the worst at reading CDB and it pisses me off no end because he's the best at reading me. So there you go.

guys i think cdb might be scum.

Contradictory statements (I don't think this is that scummy on its own but still worth noting)

Espeonage slot i don't like having re-read on AJ.

This I really hate especially after he had AJ as a consistent town read on Day 1 and he got all over me and catboi for our arguments with AJ.

I think Nexus is scum. His ISO is pretty barren overall and his early unexplained town reads of AJ and SC/discredits of myself and catboi look like scum defending his buddies. I also don't like how he just hopped on the Bins bash-train today with barely any precedent. If we're lynching based on associations with flipped scum I think Nexus is the best choice.

[pirate mollie]

Spoiler: Nexus

ow sc's opening posts are bad.

marquis ++ (thumbsup)

spiffeh no

cdb your vote on mollie is bad

currently don't like notscience

ckd do u liek 2 buddy?

i like blackberry

marquis ++++++++++
i don't like catboi's posts as i already said so i can see his spiffeh vote as a scumbuddyvote

spiffeh only caring about 1 thing is bad

NOTSCIENCE FUCK OFF

literlaly notscience is telling people to do things or die but has done fuck all imo

catboi on the SC wagon - HEY I HAVE OPINIONS BUT NOT REALLY SRY

srsly the catboixspiffeh reactions seem really forced

i still think notscience is worst, actually

vote notscience

also suspish of catboi and spiffeh. ONLY AT P13 THOUGH.

Gotta go make dinner bbiab

Says that SC's opening posts were bad but then spends the rest of this catch up discrediting the ones most vocal about SC's scumminess.

ckd is currently ++

I think Davsto is frustrated town who can't get a handle on it - i know that feel.

town - davsto, ckd, mattp, reck

scum - notscience, spiffeh, catboi

everyone else i am RUMINATING <-good word on whilst stuffing my fat face.

Calls MattP town despite the only comment he ever made about that slot was something negative about SC.

I think I have a decent idea of the game now, I've sorta slipped in. I'll try and be more town, but ya know.

VOTE: AJ I'm not liking him much.

GODDAMNIT DAVSTO

THIS IS A BAD VOTE/REASON

He's the leading wagon so you just *happen* to find a reason to vote him. That's a shit reason. GET IN THE SEA (and also out of my town reads)

Freaks out at an AJ vote (although I remember hating this vote too so this is meh)

CBD can read me really well. I can't read him at all. I'm constantly paranoid about him town reading me, but similarly he hasn't done enough this day for me to have any idea of his alignment.

I am the worst at reading CDB and it pisses me off no end because he's the best at reading me. So there you go.

guys i think cdb might be scum.

Contradictory statements (I don't think this is that scummy on its own but still worth noting)

Espeonage slot i don't like having re-read on AJ.

This I really hate especially after he had AJ as a consistent town read on Day 1 and he got all over me and catboi for our arguments with AJ.

I think Nexus is scum. His ISO is pretty barren overall and his early unexplained town reads of AJ and SC/discredits of myself and catboi look like scum defending his buddies. I also don't like how he just hopped on the Bins bash-train today with barely any precedent. If we're lynching based on associations with flipped scum I think Nexus is the best choice.

and if nexus is scum then likely cdb is too which means kmd is likely scum too which I have been saying for days.

I don't know why my vote is not him.

VOTE: kmd4390

but again ITS A META READ COS I DUNNO I WAS RIGHT ABOUT SC/MATT AND ESPY so hey y'all I think i am just stick what works for me.

@ hey scotty

where have you been. i feel like this game needs life support or something. I feel your pain with notty but he has not been active a super whole lot on the site.

also I wld to discuss theory in game approaches at some point. we can mebbe save for postgame discussion.

[Porochaz]

Nexus has been prodded, I am going to take a few days out, because Im not in a good place right now. I'll be around by Wednesday, and if I can't get Patrick to do votecounts Ill pop in to do them myself.

[Bins]

gonna be pretty busy this weekend catching up on schoolwork

[Spiffeh]

Ok I kinda reread the game and have a clearer idea of things.

People who aren't buddies of MattP and Espy:

- Spiffeh obvi
- Starbuck because of this post. I doubt she immediately directs suspicion to another one of her scumbuddies like this
- Davsto because of his Espy push and I doubt MattP includes two of his buddies in this.
- Reck because of Espy's hider fakeclaim
- scotmany12 for consistently pushing AJ/Espy and being part of the swing to MattP on Day 1
- Flameaxe for being the only scumread MattP actually pushed and for being on both wagons

People I'm townreading in general:

- pirate mollie for her loverizer claim I doubt she makes if she's lying and I doubt she actually asks the vig to vig her if she's scum
- KMD because of the Bins inno that I completely buy based on CDB's behavior regarding Bins
- Bins because inno

So that leaves:

notscience, mykonian, Nexus, and curiouskarmadog

Of these three Nexus has by far the worst associations with the flipped scum. They barely mention him at all and he town reads them early on for no reason.

But ya I'm pretty sure the remaining scum (maybe not the SK though) are in that group.

[Spiffeh]

When it's not Saturday night I'll probably ISO notty, myko, and ckd more in depth and see if something sticks out

[Bins]

i think his recent posts have made me less likely to vote ckd

[curiouskarmadog]

So that leaves:

notscience, mykonian, Nexus, and curiouskarmadog

well this hurts my feelings Spiff.

[curiouskarmadog]

i think his recent posts have made me less likely to vote ckd

my recent posts?

like what? What exactly in my recent posts are different than my earlier posts? I ask this because I am trying to figure out if you really believe it or not.

[Bins]

You keep committing these fucking town tells but they're so obvious I don't think scum would fake them like that. The recent one being the "I'm not scum cause grammatical errors." etc. Pointing it out adds to the whole "so obvious" part.

[Nexus]

Spoiler: Nexus

ow sc's opening posts are bad.

marquis ++ (thumbsup)

spiffeh no

cdb your vote on mollie is bad

currently don't like notscience

ckd do u liek 2 buddy?

i like blackberry

marquis ++++++++++
i don't like catboi's posts as i already said so i can see his spiffeh vote as a scumbuddyvote

spiffeh only caring about 1 thing is bad

NOTSCIENCE FUCK OFF

literlaly notscience is telling people to do things or die but has done fuck all imo

catboi on the SC wagon - HEY I HAVE OPINIONS BUT NOT REALLY SRY

srsly the catboixspiffeh reactions seem really forced

i still think notscience is worst, actually

vote notscience

also suspish of catboi and spiffeh. ONLY AT P13 THOUGH.

Gotta go make dinner bbiab

Says that SC's opening posts were bad but then spends the rest of this catch up discrediting the ones most vocal about SC's scumminess.

because i thought they were scummy. hindsight is 20/20

ckd is currently ++

I think Davsto is frustrated town who can't get a handle on it - i know that feel.

town - davsto, ckd, mattp, reck

scum - notscience, spiffeh, catboi

everyone else i am RUMINATING <-good word on whilst stuffing my fat face.

Calls MattP town despite the only comment he ever made about that slot was something negative about SC.

Hindsight 20/20

I think I have a decent idea of the game now, I've sorta slipped in. I'll try and be more town, but ya know.

VOTE: AJ I'm not liking him much.

GODDAMNIT DAVSTO

THIS IS A BAD VOTE/REASON

He's the leading wagon so you just *happen* to find a reason to vote him. That's a shit reason. GET IN THE SEA (and also out of my town reads)

Freaks out at an AJ vote (although I remember hating this vote too so this is meh)

AKA I AGREE WITH THIS REASON BUT BECAUSE I'M TUNNELING, AND IT COMES FROM SOMEONE ELSE, THEY ARE SCUM. good posting

CBD can read me really well. I can't read him at all. I'm constantly paranoid about him town reading me, but similarly he hasn't done enough this day for me to have any idea of his alignment.

I am the worst at reading CDB and it pisses me off no end because he's the best at reading me. So there you go.

guys i think cdb might be scum.

Contradictory statements (I don't think this is that scummy on its own but still worth noting)

Espeonage slot i don't like having re-read on AJ.

This I really hate especially after he had AJ as a consistent town read on Day 1 and he got all over me and catboi for our arguments with AJ.

shit it's almost as if my re-read changed my mind.

I think Nexus is scum. His ISO is pretty barren overall and his early unexplained town reads of AJ and SC/discredits of myself and catboi look like scum defending his buddies. I also don't like how he just hopped on the Bins bash-train today with barely any precedent. If we're lynching based on associations with flipped scum I think Nexus is the best choice.

Bins by PoE as i already stated.

cherrypicking is cool.

've spent most of the game checked out and probably should've replaced out but nevermind. SC/Matt fooled me, and aj/espe didn't but then the hammer had happened before i got back into the game. so shoot me.