You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[T S O]

Half of the people you're naming here you have literally just picked out of a hat.

The logic you're using doesn't even hold up under basic examination. The bolded is just flat-out wrong.

I would be delighted to see where I have been "jumping all over the place" - it simply hasn't happened.

For those who didn't believe TSO belonged in 1436, what do you think of this? this is quite the reaction to just throwing some names at the wall speculatively

This is one of those posts where you know you've fucked up, so you try to flip the pressure back onto me by calling my reaction scummy.

We can discuss my reaction once we clarify your points. I've asked and asked, but I've yet to find any evidence to back up your assertions. Can we assume you were lying, then?

@TSO

Wanna talk? You're asking people about their scumreads on me but I'm not sure what your read on me is. I may have missed it, but did you state more reasons for joining the Kling wagon other than didn't like their ISO?

I'd love to talk. I think it would be difficult to find a reason to vote Klingon that's not in her ISO, seeing as it contains all her posts, after all.

Where have you been so far? I can't remember one significant play you've made this game. That's not a good thing.

I think we have one of two possible scum teams at this point in time:

Team Were going to get what we want even though it's kinda scummy and rub it in your face through WIFOM and strongarm
This team is some semblance of Titus, tso, spifflop, inte, shiro, twie and Elyse (from scummier to scummiless or something close to that)

Or the true lurker scum scum team:
Which goes something like ep, aj, Klingon OR itlepip, varsoon, and alchemists. Maybe garmr or something close to that.

Randomidget is probably town, as is dapper and maybe spider Gwen
I'm actually leaning more towards the second group at this moment in time

I'm going to give you a tip here - scumteams don't work like this, at all. In general, they're disjointed entities. They're not like robots, working in the same direction with one or two outliers. You won't have a high success rate if this is how you plan to group scum.

EE, it bothers me for such an intelligent player all your results are filtered through klingontown.

You are missing how scum normally behave here.

Maybe. She might be scum. I'm thinking about it.

I do have a question for you, though:
If you believed someone was scum to the fullest, would you do anything to get them lynched, even lie, as town?

I really hate the route you seem to be going down here.

The game in my signature was ruined for town because Albert decided to lie through his teeth about results. Don't go down this path.

Not on d1. Lying as town is only appropriate when you can correct the lie or the lie only hurts scum. For instance, I am fond of bulletproof and macho lies if I do not want a doctor heal and need to Wifom scums.

Ok.

VOTE: Klingon

I reserve the right to call you scummy as much as I want d2 if she flips town. No "I was town so I couldn't have known her alignment" or any of that.

When you vote Klingon, you become just as culpable as any other, were she to *gasp* flip town. You can't simply pass on your responsibility to Titus or I.

My Klingon vote suddenly feels dirty.

So much for "eagle is townbeard, right?" I mean, what even are your other reads? You don't even know. You just know that I'm coming after you tomorrow. Because you know her alignment, don't you?

This is the second time that you aggressively push back under pressure. Attacking me for my "other reads", which are fairly transparent

anyway

, is an attempt to shift the conversation back onto your terms. Do you think this is a feature of your play regardless of your alignment, or is it more specific to one?

What you're saying here doesn't even make sense. A few posts back, I had said that I was leaning scum on you. What you seem to be implying here is that I'm scum and Klingon... is scum too? In which case, your presence on the wagon would seem to be irrelevant to me, since I was on it before you showed any signs of wishing to move onto it as well.

What implications did you think your vote had for scum-TSO? I'd love for you to lay out the scenario.

You're scummy af right now TSO for backing off after that.

So, so certain that someone is scum that anyone who disagrees with you is scum or isn't reading properly. You know what she's going to flip, don't you? Is that why all of a sudden your scum read of me is blatant? Butter try to undercut this early, huh?

Same thing. It's all pressure flips and mud flinging, rather than any coherent logic.

Make up your mind, TSO. Is she scum? Figure it out right now. Because my threat to passionate storm applies to you as well.

Do you REALLY want this lynch?

I'm not quite sure why I'd need to "figure it out right now", given that deadline wasn't even close when you made this post, but whatever you're happy with.

When someone I am scumreading blatantly compromises everything they've done for 50 pages, yes, that definitely does worry me.

And everything I've done?
I am not certain if you are misrepresenting me or simply did not understand what you read. But for the past fifty pages mu interests have been elsewhere. I defended my lack of vote on Klingon and did not even want to discuss it. But so people were so determined to discuss it.

What helped sway you? Given the speed of your reversal, it must have been quite decisive.

oops I forgot that post. TSO I would argue that EE really isn't aligned with Kling here. Again we are looking at 2 factions here, and given that gamestate bussing doesn't make any sense, especially for someone relatively new to the game. If they wanted to bus they would have done so earlier, not suddenly have 1 of them switch after my post. EE being new (please don't take offense here, I really like some of your recent play) means that of all the scum he has the easiest argument for noob stuck on townreading a scum and not being able to change his mentality. I really think his switch was a choice made my him and representative of his reads, which makes him town.

This is a surprisingly good post, aside from your assumption of singleball. I think it is a somewhat odd switch if they are scum together. Definitely not impossible, but somewhat unlikely.

When someone I am scumreading blatantly compromises everything they've done for 50 pages, yes, that definitely does worry me.

I wasn't interested in Klingon. I defended my lack of vote against her.

And you just came around so quickly? Right after you asked Titus an extremely shady question?

Eagle's hop was very dirty but doesn't affect my opinion of Kling. He's either town realizing he's wrong and doesn't know what to do or scum hesitant to bus. Either way Kling is still scum.

The more I think on it, the more I come to this conclusion.

When someone I am scumreading blatantly compromises everything they've done for 50 pages, yes, that definitely does worry me.

tso, I agree with you one hundred percent. Lets talk about this more later, I don't think I should share what I noticed just yet. I think it should make your Klingon vote feel good.

Did you ever elaborate on this?

Ccongrats elyse, you've reached a new level of scum laziness. "that's bullshit" all you could br bothered to say about my post.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: elyse
Also I'm not voting Klingon today.

Please stop making awful votes, it's beginning to irk me.

My Klingon vote suddenly feels dirty.

Because it is.

Well, yeah, but only because Eagle's voting her. And you're townreading Eagle, so I'm not sure if we can actually agree on anything here.

He's the kind of player who comes into a game with preconceived notions of who he WANTS to play with and they are always all town D1 while he picks his scum from those who he doesn't want to play with or doesn't care one way or the other. And is having much and more reverance for particular players and somehow still doesn't see the ignorance in this).

I also don't particularly notice myself doing this, but that seems to be my constant refrain these days.

I hope you don't feel I dislike you, Jaqen, I don't.

What's the case on alch?

I think Shiro posted something, but I haven't got around to reading it yet.

What, I never claimed multiball. I meant two groups of different alignment. I didn't even know that multiball was a possibility this game until I was accused on crumbing it.

"Two groups of different alignment..."

Would it not have been easier and more sensible to say "I meant Town and Mafia?"

This is an awful last-ditch push, and it's not one town-Klingon would make. You can die.

For almost half a game, that one is playing for scum even as town.

Again, I outright disagree with this, but I'm still awaiting your damning evidence of my horrible early-game play, so...

@TSO- because you are good in figuring out the game in late game where a man is not so bright, when you are catching scum buddying one of there scum mates at what stage in the game is that buddying most like to start and how is the dance which is bringing it about going down? Specifically scum on scum. A man is neither doing nor having done to him as scum. As town it is happening plenty, so much so because a man is once quite susceptible to it. A man must needs know to help with a read.

Early, and I'd say providing townreads on each other before any pressure, to ward off that pressure. However, usually good players do it to each other if that's their plan, and the townread probably has legitimate ground anyway, so...

I'm up for wagonning aj. Didn't like the fact they only talked about Klingon in their catch up.

Sit the fuck down and listen to people who know what they're doing. It'll help you improve a lot more than hemorrhaging scumreads like you are at present.

Hey, I'm here. TSO talk to me I think you're townish.

-Fresh

What are the differences between your reads and Jaqen's? How much are you two communicating right now?

I replaced into Inorganic Chemistry, so I obviously didn't have an early game there. Is your point that you playing from the start there somehow trumps me not doing so ...?

A man is reading the question wrongly and thought you were asking when a man is mostly correct. 4/5 in Organic D1 is pretty damned good. A man is 4/4 in Trouser God but he isn't remembering you there. A man is 4/5 in Xeno 1 and 2 and 3/5 in Airplane Madness. He's is 2/3 in LotR. You are playing exactly one game where a man is having a bad D1. The one when it is reasonable for him to be rusty after laying off for two years, and it's that one damned game this one is hanging onto.

If these are true, than that's an impressive record. However, you need to produce an end product as well, in terms of getting them lynched. There's no point having good reads if you abandon them and pick up new ones every day. Perhaps you'd be better served by using your early reads as a constant baseline?

Go back and look at hiw many times you are talking town off a D1 scum lynch because of confidence undeserved. A man is really trying to help you here but is sure this one will just bristle his back, say something snide, and then never do anything to fix what is broken in his game.

Link me examples of this happening? I legitimately don't recall it occurring.

[T S O]

This one is now taking advantage of a player's inexperience to manipulate him to her way of thinking. Scum, particularly Titus and TSO when they are scum, will ardently defend their scum mates early in a game because they are able to make it wifom when someone is calling them out for said defense because there will be plenty townies on early mislynched who are thinking the lynched was scum at the time. Titus is probably scum here. A man was trying to not have to sort this one prior to D2 because of that one's D1 track record but a man isn't sitting idly by while she is poisoning the minds of all she can.

I hate to repeat myself, but... I'm almost sure this isn't a regular feature of my scumgame.

[Alchemist21]

@TSO;

I was asking for something specific from you about Klingon rather than the generality of not liking her ISO. As for where I've been, this game is full of noise that I either don't understsnd or don't care about. I'd rather deal with things I can manage today and wait for the game to thin out before getting wrapped up in huge conversations. I've made a few points in this game, and I still stand by what I said about Passionate Storm and itle.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Are you intentionally misrepresenting me, TSO? Or are you just missing really vital parts of the thread?

I think your arrogance clouds your reads, if you are town.

Are you worth my time to respond to? You don't seem to be capable of reading the parts where I have already responded to the questions you pretend to innocently ask in your attempts at framing me as scum.

[Dapper Stranger]

TSO. A man is enjoying playing with you or is avoiding games you are in when possible. Aan is having many games with you. Is a man going through your games to point out specific examples of what aan is noticing something that will help this game or is it something better saved for post game? A man is thinking he is having what is needed to improve the softest part of your game as you are in tightening his own weaknesses and so is glad in having this convo whenever so long as a couple of pages or so of mechanics banter that has nothing to do with this game isn't distracting to everyone else.

As to not regurgitating every read and staying focused on his baseline, a man is trying that out this game as you will note him saying in his ISO.

You are also asking Fresh where we are disagreeing. He is in the Klingon is scum camp. While a man isn't agreeing he is supporting the vote if Fresh is casting it. Other than that, a man is believing we're seeing pretty eye to eye.

[itlepip]

Also Dapper, saw this and thought of you.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Here. I'll do you a favor this once and let it slide.

1. Your overreaction to me throwing names at a wall that weren't really freaking obviously scum together was scummy as heckler. Read the thread. Shoot. Even read the post you quoted. I was speculating at possibilities. Instead you probably skimmed, saw your name and freaked out.

2. I asked Titus if she would lie to get someone lynched to see how far she would go because some of her logic seemed flawed to me and she was becoming manipulative to get that lynch. If you weren't doing your best to frame me as scum you might have noticed this, but I don't know. I'm not sure how deep you can read into people's posts.

3. Yes. I one hundred percent can put it off on you when I voted her, and I did. You know why? Because both of you were WAY too confident she was scum. I was pretty confident she wasn't. She might be, but she probably wasn't. So no, I didn't flip my read on her. I've read her as null:town and null:scum alternating for a while now, but the vote on her did not reflect a desire to see her lynched. It was a reaction vote. I wanted to see what you would do.

4. You should probably read my response to spifflop as well, because it seems you think you've got me all figured out to the point where you don't read my posts anymore. So go check out 1552 and the two posts after it. I didn't clump people together who just agreed with each other. If you read all the names you'd know that. In fact the only reason I have you and ps together in team one is exactly that reasoning- both of you, I think, are people who are more likely to strongarm your way through.

[itlepip]

Eagle you still have to explain those scum teams a whole lot more, cause I have no idea where they came from.

[Dapper Stranger]

You can help a man in staying on pushing his top two read by getting on Spitflop, btw.

[itlepip]

You can help a man in staying on pushing his top two read by getting on Spitflop, btw.

is your second scum read me or Titus?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Eagle you still have to explain those scum teams a whole lot more, cause I have no idea where they came from.

I'll get to it, I promise. Not right now, but soon. I'm too tired now and that post is going to be a rather large post.

[Dapper Stranger]

Also Dapper, saw this and thought of you.

A man is pissing his small clothes laughing!

[itlepip]

Also Dapper, saw this and thought of you.

A man is pissing his small clothes laughing!

I am learning to appreciate your work.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Sorry TSO. You have to understand how frustrating it is to be told that you hold town back because you sont see things for what they are and then the people who say these things cannot be bothered to properly read these posts yourself

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Also Dapper, saw this and thought of you.

This made me think of this:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/zPGb4STRfKw[/youtube]

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon

(Your name is in bold because I'm frustrated with you.)

I think your reads are inexcusable. As is your lack of push. I am certainly frustrated with you. Perhaps you are more experienced than you appear.

Klingon would maybe fit this part because she does cause chaos, and I'd this was a thing, I think that the AJ vote on her was probably planned in daytalk. But I'm not too sure about this.

... Klingon. I thought she could be town most of the game, but her reads are atrocious. The reasoning behind them is sad. ...

You can't ignore/forget that I was defending myself against a dozen pages' worth of accusations per day. That sort of thing is very time-consuming. VERY time-consuming. I was so busy with people looking at me that I didn't have much time to look at them.

Here's how I tend to read people Day1, which is why I don't like putting out reads lists Day 1:
If they're aggressively calling me Scum, then I'm sure that they're Scum trying to get me mislynched.
If they're very friendly I think they're Scum too, trying to buddy me.
Prod-dodging "I'm catching up" lurkers are Scum.
2 players arguing, calling each other Scum, 1 is Town, 1 is Scum.
Clearly paying attention, helping to move the game along, Town.
Every post is a wallpost (I hate wallposts, btw) probably Town.
And then there's playstyle/meta on players I know.

You think my D1 reads are going to be a work of genius?

I don't push unless I see something scummy. Not on D1.

Chaos? If I'm not wagoned on Day 1 I'm well-behaved.


I'm curious about your comment "I think that the AJ vote on her was probably planned in daytalk. But I'm not too sure about this." Do you think AJ is Scum?

[Klingoncelt]

@Klingoncelt

Still not enough for s town read. Null at best.

@Kling and @EP

I feel ignored
I will try to make alchemist case

He has been jumping from vote ti vote ti places that it will never matter

He asked Anen for a game link but never did anything with it or presented any findings

He said he was scumreading him, Gave some poor reasons then never pursued anything

He called out Anen as alignment changing role by saying he is masoniser(which would be so only if he was scum or maybe not even then I dunno) or cult which is something you don't really call out someone on being as town. Just iso him for that post it is for me the worst post in the game

Only engaged people that wouldn't really engage back like rnm.

And explained it all by hiding behind the I am not good at larges (Which might be true tbh but eh)

I'm not ignoring you. You're one of a handful of players here posting regularly and making sense.

What Alchemist is doing is what he always does, regardless of alignment. That's why I can't read him.

I can't put a vote on him right now, sorry.

[Klingoncelt]

Hey, guys, I might disappear suddenly. We have some weather rolling through tonight, and this area's great for having power outages. Just a heads up.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

You can't ignore/forget that I was defending myself against a dozen pages' worth of accusations per day. That sort of thing is very time-consuming. VERY time-consuming. I was so busy with people looking at me that I didn't have much time to look at them.

Here's how I tend to read people Day1, which is why I don't like putting out reads lists Day 1:
If they're aggressively calling me Scum, then I'm sure that they're Scum trying to get me mislynched.
If they're very friendly I think they're Scum too, trying to buddy me.
Prod-dodging "I'm catching up" lurkers are Scum.
2 players arguing, calling each other Scum, 1 is Town, 1 is Scum.
Clearly paying attention, helping to move the game along, Town.
Every post is a wallpost (I hate wallposts, btw) probably Town.
And then there's playstyle/meta on players I know.

You think my D1 reads are going to be a work of genius?

I don't push unless I see something scummy. Not on D1.

Chaos? If I'm not wagoned on Day 1 I'm well-behaved.


I'm curious about your comment "I think that the AJ vote on her was probably planned in daytalk. But I'm not too sure about this." Do you think AJ is Scum?

Alright. I concede this point.

Yes. I am beginning to come to this conclusion.

[Klingoncelt]

Hello, dearies. I am exhausted from my old age combined with vigorous night life activities, thus, I cannot catch up on nearly 30 pages overnight. I am to this point:

Your "case" on me was based entirely on an FoS, which I explained and changed to a real vote once that other game ended. Why has your read not changed when you no longer have a case?

Because, deary. Your explanation might be reason enough for you to claim the case is invalid, but I hold onto my belief you are sour anyway: your reason felt weak, and your content since then has done nothing to impress me.

Aunt Jemina

, Do you have any guesses who the Scum are on each wagon?

I would need a refresher on the composition of the wagons, since this old lady's memory is not what it used to be. However, very easily I could guess if I saw the names before my eyes.

I will leave from here, and return tomorrow when I am able.

I disagree with your reasoning, but thank you for answering.

[Klingoncelt]

fak the last time i posted was literally page 39

my eyes get glossy every time i see a bunch of words

Can we get rid of the lurker Scum?

VOTE: Inte

[Extrapolated Eagle]

fak the last time i posted was literally page 39

my eyes get glossy every time i see a bunch of words

Can we get rid of the lurker Scum?

VOTE: Inte

Not this one, not today. Pls. Maybe let's talk about spifflop or errant or aj.

[Klingoncelt]

I don't want to lynch Kling because he's the leading wagon. I'm leaning towards that lynch again after going back and looking at some ISO and seeing that vote on itlepip was kind of just there and had no reasoning and because we sort of have a sour read on itlepip I've got this feeling that it could be some bussing there.

-Fresh

Could you clarify this? You think I'm busing Itlepip? I am Town. I can't bus anyone.

He clearly called out multiball, then awkwardly backpedaled. He Scum slipped. Because he's Scum.

[itlepip]

I don't want to lynch Kling because he's the leading wagon. I'm leaning towards that lynch again after going back and looking at some ISO and seeing that vote on itlepip was kind of just there and had no reasoning and because we sort of have a sour read on itlepip I've got this feeling that it could be some bussing there.

-Fresh

Could you clarify this? You think I'm busing Itlepip? I am Town. I can't bus anyone.

He clearly called out multiball, then awkwardly backpedaled. He Scum slipped. Because he's Scum.

Klingon, this is (another reason) why I don't buy your "I suck a d1" defense. Even if you are bad at making early reads, you are still really experienced in mafia and should be able to read and understand posts better than you are right now. I clearly said that 1 faction is town and the other scum, the only thing I 'crumbed' (or just assumed) is actually that there is only 1 scum faction. You can suck at d1 as much as you want, but when you lie about what other people are saying after clarification you are scummy.

(Before you say I'm retroactively justifying my vote or this isn't adequate for me to want you lynched today, this is far from the only post this game that lies to get an advantage).

[Extrapolated Eagle]

If town won a game only when every member of the town took the time to read and understand everything, they would never win a game again.


But it should definitely be added to the wiki, I think. MAYBE front page. The best thing you can do as town is just stay caught up with the game and read everything and if you don't understand something, read for context clues.

And then read some more. And then when you think you're done reading and ready to share thoughts, read a lot lot lot more.

I think town would never lose a game again if people started doing this.