A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[True Ogre]

VOTE: Friendless Seniors

[Sakura Hana]

I have a large weekend (Thursday through Sunday) so im gonna be taking a V/LA this weekend, V/LA until Monday.

[Swordsworth]

Good "morning" everyone, here's to a great game.

VOTE: SirCakez

Why not?

[Skybird]

True Ogre exists.

Witholding vote for now, not convinced that major conversationalists contain scum.

However Seniors could certainly be scum with what they've said so far and I like beeboy for the push. So I'm conflicted as I don't really buy the Sakura-scum argument but will entertain it.

Like Wrong Lynch's posting quantity so far, but the quality is lukewarm. Also waiting to see more from nacho-hydra, although I like the question he did ask.

Axelrod also involved in hydra-discussion after some comments in 56, 61, 68 which appear quite defensive/elusive. Keeping an eye on.

Skybird, greetings to your ancestors. What do you think of davesaz' posting so far? I would like to compare impressions.

I've played one or two games with Dave but not too recently. I liked his entrance. He jumped in and questioned something he saw. I also agreed with post 90 where he saw BeeBoy's buddy question as a potential trap. I read it the same way. Overall I'm leaning town on him. How about you? What do you think? Any players that stick out good or bad?

[The Pied Piper]

ALSO HI NACHOOOO. I MISSED YOU TOO AND YOU'RE HYDRA'ING WITH PLOTI SO THIS MAKES ME VERY HAPPEH.

MAAAAALA HI MALA

Hi Sakura o/

yeah ok

Vote: Axelrod

serious vote.

Are you implying the Seniors wagon isn't serious?

Are you implying it is?

I was actually trying to imply the opposite.

You should sheep me btw.

I'm really having trouble parsing this post. Does opposite mean that your seniors wagon isn't serious or something else? The rest of your ISO seems to imply that it's serious but then what does opposite mean in this context?

Seniors is, indeed, worthy of a vote. But more right than Wrong?

I am happy that you are posting puns! This game needs more puns. However, I am worried about the lack of scumhunting in your ISO. Do you have any reads yet? Could you do both scumhunting and puns?

Alright, so far I haven't seen anything out of place for Nacho. So I'm unsure why you're focusing him for a sort so early on. Also then there's the fact Ploti is in that hydra too.

What do you mean about me? Do you mean that Sakura should be trying to sort us based on my posting or something else?

Seniors is policy tho.

Only scum wouldn't buddy up with me because I always hit scum when I wagon someone.
Seniors know this and should have accepted my hand in friendship but they don't want to be forced to bus.

I don't really know why, but this made me laugh.

Doesn't it remind you kind of my early push on Persivul in our last game? Beeboy's point makes about as much sense to me as my points against Persivul made to myself in that game.

Maybe it's just me. I have never had a problem with hydras. Maybe it's because all of my hydra partners are amazing human beings

I LOVE YOU TOO. BOTH OF YOU.

(Also I find hydras easier to read because I get two chances to read the same slot and there are two reads progressions that need to make sense and twice the opportunity to connect to somebody and figure them out and just yeah.)


Mirhawk could be town. I like the kinds of questions they're asking. Feels like genuine scumhunting.

VOTE: snarky

real vote

This is exactly how Snarky plays and it surprises me both you and EP both don't know that.

Okay this is a good point, and the first point you've made against them that I can follow. I don't mind seeing where you're going with this.

VOTE: Friendless Seniors

Snarky, are you voting seniors because you like beeboy's case or something else?

I suppose you could make the argument that its indicative of her being overly concerned about how she's being perceived, but I think that's probably common in paranoid players and

PR's

in addition to scum.

Why would you say this out loud?

Good "morning" everyone, here's to a great game.

VOTE: SirCakez

Why not?

Good morning! What do you think of the last 6 pages?



Ok. I have:

• 3 scumleans
  
• 3-5 townleans
  
• 1 current wagon that i'm okay with
  
• 1 current wagon that i don't understand
  
• 2-3 people that I'm thinking about but I want to see more from them (this is distinct from the large group of people who haven't posted enough yet or at all)
  
• ~5 people that I think that if they are town they would be easy mislynches for scum. There is a little overlap here with my scumleans)
  
• 2-3 people that I think will be hard for me to read based on their playstyle so far this game or previous experience with their playstyle. I expect this number to grow once more people are posting.
  
• A bunch of people that I'm excited to be playing with. <3
  
• 1 awesome hydra partner

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Friendless Seniors

Why not vote anyone in your entrance then immediately sheep Beeboy onto Seniors?

[SirCakez]

Don't like Beeboy's flipflop on Sakura. Felt like there was no dedication or serious belief in it with how fast he got on and off.
Seniors's Snarky vote is bad as well. Not enough to justify it and Snarky is definitely not someone you get a serious scumread on from one post.

[beeboy]

@Piper I seriously want to see Seniors lyncher today.

Pedit @cakes what part doesn't make sense my logic is very justified?

[SirCakez]

112, 116, 120
Within 8 posts, you voted Sakura, called for more votes on her, then unvoted and went back to Seniors. It's super waffly.

[beeboy]

Without reading it I guess you can interpret it that way.

That implies you think I should commit to RVS town reads. The idea behind early town reads is to make someone I like comfortable so they either play scummier or townier since they feel more safe going for there wincon. It also makes scum panic that people are establishing town pools before they get to look good which makes them play worse.

I expect scum to start playing weird and town to play more aggressive from that. Sakura votes me for the sketchiest reasons and ignores all other players. Turns out she skimmed the thread so it made sense she ignored other players which is why I didn't feel comfortable committing to that scum read. In terms of pressure I wouldn't drop the read if I didn't want to vote anyone but I have seniors so I had better things to vote. Also I think everyone has pushed someone because they think someone is playing badly not because they are scum so it is just something I acknowledged.

[beeboy]

Ima be honest this has been a fun game.

[SirCakez]

Sakera didn't say anything about skimming in between 112 and 120....

[beeboy]

2. That point doesn't make sense if you accept that I have meta experience with you wouldn't it be easier for me to sort you which would justify a town read this early?

When i have done nothing that's not fakeable it raises all my alarm bells.

3. I made it very clear that the reason I thought you where scum from that post was that you didn't question any of my other reads. Cakes has made very few posts and Mala hasn't actually asked many questions so both those reads should have stood out if you where actually interested in sorting my slot you would have looked at everything in that post.

1) I haven't read much of the thread i mostly skimmed coz i've been busy (watching anime together with pie), so i dont know what Cakez or Mala have been doing other than before the point i left off.
2) However it's not like i make ghostly posts while im not around, im perfectly aware of what i've been doing and my belief is that you shouldn't have a townread on me this early.
3) Now again, this doesn't explain why you had a townread on me early on.

Look at point 1

[tictac]

Hello all.

beeboy Seniors read is exaggerated to the point that I don't think it's even supposed to look real. Crosses over into not alignment indicative.
Ogre sheeping it looks scummy, especially since Ogre is pretty new.
@Ogre What was your motivation to do so?

Agree that the beeboy Sakura dip was waffly.

Wrong lynch entry "I MISSED YOU ALL SO MUCH" felt forced to me, like he is making really sure that everyone knows he hasn't chatted with anyone pre-game.

there's a third one that you haven't considered.

~M

I don't get this.
Presumably Axle would know what his motivations for his own vote were. What did you mean here?

another site a long time ago that no longer exists.

What was the theme/purpose of that site?

davesaz is ringing all kinds of bells for me.
Axl push on hydras was pretty obviously jokey, and dave makes it way bigger thing than it is, then quickly retracts when he gets heat from it.

I'm gonna guess that you don't know me, in which case you can't be blamed for not knowing how I play.

Self meta.

I'm not sure what to think of this buddy offer thing. If you had done the same to me, I'd be thinking it could be a trap. It's a no-win question -- agree to buddy and you're scum eager to make a friend, refuse or fail to notice and you're scum wanting to avoid picking up obligations.

dave is in the mindset of looking for traps and I see no attempt to understand beeboys motivation. Possible town motivation for how beeboy acts towards Senior is pretty clear, even if he is exaggerating the read he is getting.

Not trying to interfere with your conversation, but this is as good a post as any to use as an entry for my own questions.

Why say this? Why not just ask your questions? Looks like you are trying to step carefully.
VOTE: davesaz

On hydras: would it be possible to sign on top rather than at the bottom?
I tend to read from top to bottom and it would be helpful to know the writer on the first readthrough.

[SirCakez]

Look at point 1

That came before you voted Sakura in the first place. Looks like backtracking now.

[beeboy]

Tic tac if you think I a exaggerating you don't understand seniors play at all.

Nothing they have done so far is towny. They also shouldn't have voted Snarky. They wouldn't mess up like that and do scummy things as town twice in a row then leave thread.

Neither one would be playing this safe and reserved as town. No one is this safe as town.

[beeboy]

Look at point 1

That came before you voted Sakura in the first place. Looks like backtracking now.

Mirhawk told me it wasn't scummy I backtracked and agreed with him it was just bad.
I am not saying I didn't flip flop my read I am saying it is rationalized and want to know what is wrong with it.

[tictac]

Tic tac if you think I a exaggerating you don't understand seniors play at all.

Nothing they have done so far is towny. They also shouldn't have voted Snarky. They wouldn't mess up like that and do scummy things as town twice in a row then leave thread.

Neither one would be playing this safe and reserved as town. No one is this safe as town.

Well I don't have exp with either, so possible that you have meta-reasons to think so. Doesn't look very convincing from where I am sitting.

Don't get why the Snarky vote is scummy. Looks like "I'll pretend this is serious" RVS lurker-vote to me.

Agree that they haven't really done anything townly so far either thou.

[The Pied Piper]

This post is being written by The Pied Piper!

On hydras: would it be possible to sign on top rather than at the bottom?
I tend to read from top to bottom and it would be helpful to know the writer on the first readthrough.

Did I do it right?

They wouldn't mess up like that and do scummy things as town twice in a row then leave thread.

Have you played with town hippyloppy before?

[tictac]

Mirhawk told me it wasn't scummy I backtracked and agreed with him it was just bad.
I am not saying I didn't flip flop my read I am saying it is rationalized and want to know what is wrong with it.

Why are you giving such weight to what Mirhawk says?
What is your read on him?

As to why it was scummy: There's a disconnect between the intensity of push and the ease with which you change your reads.

[beeboy]

This post is being written by The Pied Piper!

On hydras: would it be possible to sign on top rather than at the bottom?
I tend to read from top to bottom and it would be helpful to know the writer on the first readthrough.

Did I do it right?

They wouldn't mess up like that and do scummy things as town twice in a row then leave thread.

Have you played with town hippyloppy before?

I played with each of them twice as scum. Both times I was in hippy's scum team. Once I was town vs Scum EP and another game I was on a team with the Friendless Seniors hydra.
I have played with both of them as town as well.

Fun fact when I played with Seniors they helped drive a push taking advantage of snarky's play style to drive him to mason claim. They know it is an easy unreliable push.

[tictac]

Did I do it right?

No

[beeboy]

Mirhawk told me it wasn't scummy I backtracked and agreed with him it was just bad.
I am not saying I didn't flip flop my read I am saying it is rationalized and want to know what is wrong with it.

Why are you giving such weight to what Mirhawk says?
What is your read on him?

As to why it was scummy: There's a disconnect between the intensity of push and the ease with which you change your reads.

I have 1v1'd town before seen town 1v1 and am being catious.

Mirhawk is my strongest town read so Ido hold what he says highly.

[tictac]

They know it is an easy unreliable push.

Then why aren't they pushing it? A naked vote isn't really pushing.

[SirCakez]

Snarky is lynchbait so Beeboy's argument about Seniors pushing Snarky being a scum move does hold weight. Thus why I am still voting them.