A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[beeboy]

VOTE: Seniors

I am going to stop throwing hissy fits and actually play the game properly now

[THE WRONG WAGON]

Hey Nacho,

thoughts on FS and Mirhawk and tammy please

~M

yayayay

Does this mean that you're final admitting you really don't know how to read me after?

(Not being bitchy, this really does make me happy. It's a lot lot lot easier to deal with someone suspecting you when they admit they can't really read you than when they think they can and you're as town as you can be and you're dealing with suspicion.)

I feel zippidy doo dah!

I'll respond to your post later. In the middle of something right now. But I do want to ask why you thought I was scum reading the Pied Piper?

I want his thoughts on you. Trust me I have my own, but i'm holding back on saying it because I'm not in the mood for this whole dance to happen again. Every single game you use this against me if i'm reading you right or wrong. Frankly I'm sick of it. So I just choose to not give a read on you at all unless I'm forced.

Anyways I'm just trying to engage Nacho into the game. He seems to be ignoring it while posting in another thread and that's bothering me. :\

Yes, I want to know why you're scum reading them, if not why is your vote still on them and not on your strongest scum read?
~M

[THE WRONG WAGON]

8 terrible votes on the wall
8 terrible votes~

want me to drive the wagon off them and onto you?

~M

[Friendless Seniors]

I mean if this is hippy you should know first hand how much I adore getting tunneled. Look at that blitz game where your hydra partner ridcious tunneled me the whole entire fucking game over one bad post, which lead to a huge fight, but still. You saw how I reacted to tunneling.

~M

I apologize for that game. It was ridiculous and so awkward for me

I've been a bit sick sorry for lack of content. Super bad migraines. I am reading just having a hard time dissecting information lol

Plot, I hope everything is OKAY. <3

My current scumreads at this time would probably be somewhere in the block of Hiplop, Cakez, and Beeboy. I have a question for you three: What if Pistachio is shot and flips town? What does this suggest about Ami, and would that warrant an instant vote?

Hm? This is both a weird reaction to the wagon, and a pretty scummy post in general. I don't like this at all. I would be fine with lynching this.

How do you know me, Hiplop, btw?

I think it would be easier to read Seniors accurately if they were allowed out of their box.

thank you.

Sakura is town, spiffeh is town, tammy is town, Mala is probably town.

See, this is my problem with the FS slot. It feels like most of their contribution is discounting the people on their wagon, rather than discussing relevant parts of the game. Like, the Miller CC and Mirhan's response to it seems like the topic of the moment, and FS comes in with this when nobody's even discussing that wagon.This could just be apathy for the game after feeling like he was tunneled by a loud and stubborn player, but this attitude isn't helpful for town.

honestly dude, its hard NOT to just discount my wagon when beeboy is being a tool. Hes just ramming a lynch down my throat for the ENTIRETY of the game. I don't even think hes made a good point yet. Do you think he has? Would you respond kindly to that kind of pressure?

Oh just so everyone knows, I am more limited access than fully away from the site right now. I'm still trying to post but this is because I can't guarantee 48 hour activity for a few days.Why do people think Friendless Seniors are scum? Why is the wagon there? I've seen nothing other than beeboy being loud and posty.

all there is...which is honestly shocking? I don't buy town is following this wagon tbh they shouldsnt be...

Amihan is town too, btw.

[Tammy]

MEOW KITTY BACK DOWN.

I have no idea what you're problem is but sure I'll be happy not to interact with you or your hyperbolic frustrated other head the whole game. I don't need to. Won't make the mistake of asking you a question again because apparently you're allowed to constantly hound me in games and nitpick all over the place but I'm not allowed to ask you a couple questions to try to get at your mindset.

WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

[SirCakez]

Dram are you townreading Seniors and Mirhawk seriously?

[True Ogre]

Dodging the prod for Easter.

[THE WRONG WAGON]

MEOW KITTY BACK DOWN.

I have no idea what you're problem is but sure I'll be happy not to interact with you or your hyperbolic frustrated other head the whole game. I don't need to. Won't make the mistake of asking you a question again because apparently you're allowed to constantly hound me in games and nitpick all over the place but I'm not allowed to ask you a couple questions to try to get at your mindset.

WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

I think the last game we were in together was BSG. I was on my alt then and by the time I entered the game, you were dead. So not really sure where I'm constantly hounding you in games when the last one was over a year ago...?

[Tammy]

*For the over exaggerative hyper other head of Wrong Lynch.

Please note I am not inflammatorily or flagrantly whatever their play when I say Mala hounds and nitpicks me in games nor am I suggesting she has done so in this game. This is referring to past experience NOT this game. Just so everyone is clear.

I despise the way mala is interacting with me this game because I don't think it's fair she can behave however she wants to me and I'm supposed to tip toe around her apparently and can't ask a couple questions without her getting made, but I'm stepping out of this conversation because it's not conducive to anything and will probably just result in anything I say being inflammatory even when it's not meant to be.

[dramonic]

VOTE: Seniors

I am going to stop throwing hissy fits and actually play the game properly now

That`s a really short time to contradict yourself.

8 terrible votes on the wall
8 terrible votes~

want me to drive the wagon off them and onto you?

~M

A shitty vote up there or a shitty vote on me, what does it matter?

Dram are you townreading Seniors and Mirhawk seriously?

More than the other three by a large margin.

[Tammy]

The past two games we've played together (one just a couple months ago!) you were scum and buddied me both times. In the second one (just a couple months ago) when I started suspecting you because you gave me a too easy town read that was baseless you got frustrated and took the town read away.

Let's just not interact? K? We apparently can't interact very well. I thought I asked you reasonable questions in my attempt to understand you and get a read on you but you just got frustrated that I apparently dared to ask you questions. Which I do not think is fair at all considering the way you have treated me in games.

But it's cool. I don't need to interact with you to get a read on you. And the game sure as shit doesn't need an argument, so!

[Tammy]

Oh but I will say this. I don't have a scum read on Pied Piper and I never said I did. My vote is on my rvs vote because I haven't decided where I want to move it to. Which I stated when I said I was withholding my vote for now Saturday morning.

Since your hydra partner threw the stupid accusation of me not recognizing that you were emotional or exaggerative as me pretending that I've never played with you which is so fucking what the fuck but whatever! Why are you pretending you've never played with me, since it's something you know that is pretty standard.

No need to respond! Just some food for thought.

[THE WRONG WAGON]

Right the Blitz game that I remember playing barely, but I remember dying and throwing enough associative tells to allow my partner to skate into victory.

We were in a lrge, but I think I posted like twice so that doesn't really count.

I don't remember that second one though you're describing.

I'm really starting to forget a lot of mafia stuff. :\

But yeah Tammy talk to GM because this whole game I didn't feel like you were interacting with me tbh. I felt you were nitpicking everything that I was posting which is kinda getting me annoyed. You were absent and then you started after me re: Sakura/Nacho and then when I stopped posting you picked to what seemed to be a fight with Beeboy.

I'll try to tone down myself more so with you than anyone else because you seem to be the only one I'm butting heads with.

~M

[Amihan]

The Wrong Lynch and Tammy, can you sum up the argument between you two? (...three?) Too many words.

Also, I think my Skybird case was pretty solid and it is being ignored for boring FS stuff.

[The Pied Piper]

:thumbs up:
ALSO HI NACHOOOO. I MISSED YOU TOO AND YOU'RE HYDRA'ING WITH PLOTI SO THIS MAKES ME VERY HAPPEH.

<3!
I've been excited about this game for a long time, especially getting to finally hydra with Plot! Our hydra name and signature feel perfect together, and I'm really excited at how our two play styles will blend; I feel like Plot is able to cover some of my weaknesses (they are thorough and consistent where I am not, they are better at collecting a lot of different information and putting it in one place, they are better are getting information from cold meta reads than I am), and I've been good and patient and keeping my number of games down and actually have enough time to play and put enough effort, so I feel like I'm in a good place for this game.

Alright, so far I haven't seen anything out of place for Nacho. So I'm unsure why you're focusing him for a sort so early on. Also then there's the fact Ploti is in that hydra too.

Sakura is one of those players who tends to focus on me first if we're in a playerlist together.

Although I have come to the realization that despite disagreeing with all your play as soon as I said I town read you it isn't necessarily scummy it is just not good town play. It is towny to discredit a town read on yourself in my opinion which makes me want to believe you are town, but I could also see this as an attempt at looking aggressive since I don't like your reason for discrediting it and how you discredited it which is scum. I want to sort more but since you aren't necessarily scum 1v1ing isn't how I want to do it.

Liking this post a lot; in particular, it shows good depth in his thought process pretty early on (there's no reason for beeboy as scum to drop his Sakura scumread and move to seniors unless he's afraid of Sakura, which doesn't seem like it's the case). I liked the way he handled Friendless Seniors earlier, seems like the same sort of tone I'd adopt as town with someone who I like but was trying to read.

True Ogre exists.

Witholding vote for now, not convinced that major conversationalists contain scum.

However Seniors could certainly be scum with what they've said so far and I like beeboy for the push. So I'm conflicted as I don't really buy the Sakura-scum argument but will entertain it.

Like Wrong Lynch's posting quantity so far, but the quality is lukewarm. Also waiting to see more from nacho-hydra, although I like the question he did ask.

Axelrod also involved in hydra-discussion after some comments in 56, 61, 68 which appear quite defensive/elusive. Keeping an eye on.

Skybird, greetings to your ancestors. What do you think of davesaz' posting so far? I would like to compare impressions.

I've played one or two games with Dave but not too recently. I liked his entrance. He jumped in and questioned something he saw. I also agreed with post 90 where he saw BeeBoy's buddy question as a potential trap. I read it the same way. Overall I'm leaning town on him. How about you? What do you think? Any players that stick out good or bad?

Skybird, why do you reach out to True Ogre first?

Don't like Beeboy's flipflop on Sakura. Felt like there was no dedication or serious belief in it with how fast he got on and off.
Seniors's Snarky vote is bad as well. Not enough to justify it and Snarky is definitely not someone you get a serious scumread on from one post.

I think that you're making a mistake and being overly critical of early votes; I wouldn't expect beeboy to have serious belief or dedication on a read he formed on page 5; likewise, I disagree with all concerned parties that the Snarky vote by Seniors was suspicious. It was early game, Seniors placed an easy vote. It's fine for pressing early.

So, so far, I like Mirhawk, and I like Sir Cakes. I also really like TicTac's first post.

I am not a fan of Sakura, or Davesaz.

@Sakura: (per post #64) did you

really

think that I was advocating for a "policy" lynch of all Hydras? Really?

@Davesaz: please explain to me how you feel I "pulled back" on "the Hydra thing" (post #69). Do you think I am advocating for a policy lynch of all Hydras?

Wrong Lynch is fine

Unvote

. Pied Piper is also fine. Friendless Seniors hasn't done anything.

@Beeboy: when you say you know how Friendless Seniors would react to you, are you talking about one of the hydra heads in particular? Or is this a Hydra that you have played with before? I don't get your conviction given that Seniors hasn't done much of anything.

I'm not sure why you have different reads on THE WRONG LYNCH and Sakura here; if I remember correctly, both of them thought that your "policy lynch of all hydras" thing was serious, and that's the only reason you give for disliking Sakura.

I agree with the Mirhawk and Sir Cakes reads at this very moment; I thought Mirhawk's aggression was pretty reasonable towards dave early game (although I don't really agree with it; dave is like that sometimes), and I like SirCakes bucking against beeboy early game, considering he was the only player who was active and aggressive at that time and bucking against it seemed like a pretty decent move if scum.

Tictac what part of my read on seniors is fake and scummy?

The part where you have a strong read on a slot that hasn't done anything.
How is this difficult to get?

Originally, you said that beeboy's push seemed exaggerated to the point where it wasn't supposed to look serious, hence not alignment indicative. I agreed with this; when did you change your mind?

True Ogre's entrance post is pretty balls.
Withholding vote is fine, ESPECIALLY not after beeboy tells him to vote us and then ogre does.
Look at how terrible withholding vote is there. Ogre OPENLY admits to being unsure of people that they want to sort, that they are considering to maybe be scum, and then just... doesn't vote. nope.
"I will entertain Sakura argument" is basically saying "I don't want to commit yet (which is fine) but i'm not gonna do anything about it (which isn't fine)"
"keeping an eye on axelrod" uh huh.

I don't like this read.
True Ogre's entrance post said that he was town reading beeboy and considering following him onto seniors. He also says that he's considering Axelrod as scum. Beeboy, his townread that he's considering sheeping says "beeboy! sheep me!". He follows. What exactly is unreasonable about that?

That's stupid sorry

PEdit: It's fine for an initial read but I'm not buying that people are being convinced by beeboy's other points and I don't really like some people's behavior around the wagon (i.e Pied Piper)

What about Plot's behavior around the wagon did you dislike?

@Nacho: Weren't you on Disney Upick? hiplop was there (town him at least).

I am guessing you saw a Plotinus post and thought it was me, although I'm confused by this question in general since it implies I said I didn't play with hiplop when both Plotinus and I have.

Does my lack of vote bother you, then, or something else?

I feel like you devoted more time to meta talk than was necessary. hiplop hasn't really done enough yet for that discussion to be useful and it looks like filler content. Reminds me of scum!Plot in History where you kinda droned on about things that didn't matter.

Your fixation with tictac specifically is weird too? Like you bombard him with questions right from the get go for no clear reason. It makes me think you want to stroke beeboy's ego and goad his tunnel by nitpicking at someone who isn't really buying into it.

What do you think of my point that not doing anything is, in itself, scummy?

And I don't buy that you feel this way less than 24 hours into the game.

And Nacho hasn't really done anything that looks town so yeah I'm voting you

For the record, the reason I responded to this as harshly as I did was because Plot was bothered by someone telling them that they were "droning on about things that didn't matter" when they were trying their best and I know very well how infuriating that is so I dropped in the game to defend them. Thank you for getting the memo and backing off.

I was going to complain about the lack of Sakura posts, then remembered Sakura is V/LA

ATM scum reads of varying degrees on Tictac, Seniors, Ogre, and Beeboy.

"scumread on the people beeboy is pushing AND beeboy"

this guy is fencesitting, stirring the pot and trying to get momentum on our wagon for seriously shoddy reasons.

VOTE: sircakez
sorry ep, this is the guy who needs to die

I don't really think that scum reading both sides of the argument is impossible or unreasonable from town.
I did like your "I don't think how much we're being discussed" post because it's not something I think you would say as scum to a wagon without anything behind it?

These stances make no sense. Like, he is basically scumreading anyone making any sort of impact in the game. This is a super opportunistic position in the game and needs to be lynched.

You have this backwards; scum reading anyone making any sort of impact in the game means that he's scum reading anyone with the ability to push lynches in the game which means that he's scum reading the people he should be buddying up to which means that he's probably town.

this is you looking surface at my scumplay and not actually understanding how people play as scum. I look ath things that i find objectively scummy and push them. If you cared to read the deadthread in invaders you would actually know that. Do your meta research, don't go "oh hey EP did this one thing as scum in one game I played with them so they must be scum ya ya?"

I liked this post too.

this is a mindbogglingly bad readslist. I have no idea how you're looking at the game this way.

The only read you seem to disagree with Cakez about is beeboy.

being tunneled on by two of the most stubborn players =/= fun

You are appealing to cakes here.

This accusation is dumb. Why would hiplop appeal to the player he is currently trying to mislynch and also a player without any real sway?

I'm not sure I feel great about a hiplop scum read right now; don't like the slot's main pushes yet but I've liked a few things tonally and hiplop being frustration and not having any fun feels pretty real and so I don't like continuing to push there right now.

There were plenty of different ways to answer those questions. The second one was so open ended you could have said just about anything and still answered it.
What is it about my push that's not null? Because from here that looks like a poorly justified omgus vote to me.

But this push is starting to get stale; right now, it feels like you are happy to continue a push on davesaz that no one really cares about while much, much bigger things are happening (beeboy-Seniors). Needs more pizzaz.

being tunneled on by two of the most stubborn players =/= fun

like this actually pisses me off

Don't ignore valid concerns I have and pass off calling you out on it as tunneling and stubborn

This feels town, but I would like to say that hiplop is just feeling sort of frustrated and overwhelmed early game which is why he's being as harsh as it is. It can be annoying early game to have to fight back against someone who doesn't feel like they are actually reading and comprehending their posts because they think they caught scum based on something small and stupid and people are buying into it for god knows what reason.

I don't really get why calling Snarky's vote a "push" instead of a vote was a big deal. Do you think that voting someone for silently sheeping onto a wagon led by someone who was obviously loud and not budging was unreasonable just because Snarky was lynchbait?

@Seniors
Also, what the hells up with that Snarky business?

Whats weird? B has a point as well, do you not remember him from the game you just played or did he play differently in that game?

I don't like that you were ignoring the "null meta business" but suddenly become a little more interested as the wagon gains momentum.
I wouldn't really mind it if you just started scum reading Seniors based on hiplop's latest post but "that Snarky business" makes it seem like you don't know what's going on with it and just because Snarky was scummy as town in a different game means he's an invalid push in this one.

I haven't seen millers immediately claim flavor in games I've played with them, so I'll follow suit. You'll know when it's relevant. Or when I'm dead, whatever comes first.

I liked that Pistachio refused to claim flavor; if she was fake claiming miller as scum as a gambit, she very likely would have had flavor to back it up so refusing seems strange for scum.

Yooooooo

VOTE: beeboy

I'm a miller.

Tip: if you want to fakeclaim Miller as scum, you should probably wait until everyone else has posted so you can be sure nobody else is an actual Town Miller.

VOTE: pistachion

Would be impressed if this is a scum gambit by Amihan. It seems completely possible to me that pistachio decided to fake claim miller as a scum gambit but decidedly less possible than Amihan did. Don't really have a significant read on Pistachio yet.

What are your thoughts on me and seniors Sakura?

Still not done reading.
But while your push on me was bad, i think that probably both of you are town.

I'm following why you think beeboy is town thanks to the Wisdom comparison, but why do you think Friendless Seniors is town?'

/lawls

Anyways, it seems the thing to do would be to String Pistachio.

Only thing is I'm a little worried about a scum counterclaim on Ami's part.
I mean what if Piss flips Miller?

I don't see myself as being comfortable with either way we could go in that case.

Not really sure what you mean by the bolded?
Do you mean that you're not comfortable with Amihan's alignment if Pistach flips town?

beeboy Seniors read is exaggerated to the point that I don't think it's even supposed to look real. Crosses over into not alignment indicative.

A whole lot of words to say a whole lot of nothing. Comes into what seems like an accusation at beeboy's read and nullifies it with the end.

I disagree that this was the case; I thought that tictac's observation that Beeboy was pushing hard enough on nothing where it "wasn't supposed to be real" was actual a surprisingly insightful one, my problem was backing away from this later.

I wanted to make a really really really long wall but I'm starting to chicken out because I'm afraid no one will read it if I don't split it up, so reluctantly splitting it up

[SnarkySnowman]

Happy easter! pdodge, still think Seniors should be lynched.

[Friendless Seniors]

^ like cmon man fuck

I got the goonsquad on me

[Spiffeh]

Guys remember that time we lynched Swordsworth?

Me neither but let's do it now

[Tammy]

But yeah Tammy talk to GM because this whole game I didn't feel like you were interacting with me tbh. I felt you were nitpicking everything that I was posting which is kinda getting me annoyed. You were absent and then you started after me re: Sakura/Nacho and then when I stopped posting you picked to what seemed to be a fight with Beeboy.

I'll try to tone down myself more so with you than anyone else because you seem to be the only one I'm butting heads with.

~M

Asking you questions and pointing out some things I didn't like isn't nitpicking. And how can you think I wasn't interacting with you when I was asking you direct questions and then when you responded I responded back? I also wasn't "getting after you", I was asking you a question. I didn't know why you zeroed in on the sakura thing and it felt weird to me. And it felt off that you seemed to discredit her sort when you said there wasn't anything out of the ordinary that nacho had posted yet, like she couldn't make sorting him a priority. It felt wrong because you yourself have people that you like to sort immediately, so you seeming to shut someone else down felt wrong. I also didn't pick a fight with bee boy.

But here's the thing, you use this type of language with me. You feel perfectly fine coming after me, accusing me of picking a fight, making a big deal about something when they're simple questions and all of a sudden get annoyed because I ask you questions. But you feel perfectly fine to scum hunt me. I'm just never allowed to scum hunt you because you get after me every time I ask you a question. You accusing me of "picking a fight" is the kind of thing you do to me that I don't see you do to anyone else. Maybe it's just me, and I don't know when you started having a problem with me but it's not fair that you can scum hunt me and I'm not allowed to scum hunt you.

[Tammy]

No he obviously did realize it, and then decided it looked bad and backtracked on it two posts later. Yeah that's a thought process people have, I've done it before as scum.
No voting there sucks because there was definitely enough to make scumreads from at that point. He didn't say anything about changing his mind until prodded pages later, he just naked voted.
Yeah I am

True Ogre said he was leaning that way and was holding his vote. bee boy then asked him to please vote seniors and he did. I don't see that as backtracking. Soemtimes people vote when people ask then to early game. He didn't change his mind pages later. bee boy asked him and he voted. You don't need to have reasons with the vote as they were in his earlier post.

Be prepared to scum read me then because I am the waffle queen.

[Tammy]

I didn't read any of the pied piper posts on the previous page. Sorry! I will read them but I don't have the mental energy for quote stripe walls at the moment.

or ever but I will read them!

[The Pied Piper]

No he obviously did realize it, and then decided it looked bad and backtracked on it two posts later. Yeah that's a thought process people have, I've done it before as scum.
No voting there sucks because there was definitely enough to make scumreads from at that point. He didn't say anything about changing his mind until prodded pages later, he just naked voted.
Yeah I am

True Ogre said he was leaning that way and was holding his vote. bee boy then asked him to please vote seniors and he did. I don't see that as backtracking. Soemtimes people vote when people ask then to early game. He didn't change his mind pages later. bee boy asked him and he voted. You don't need to have reasons with the vote as they were in his earlier post.

Be prepared to scum read me then because I am the waffle queen.

True Ogre said he was leaning that way but had concerns because of the Sakura push, but beeboy's pedited post erased those concerns and made him more comfortable following.

[beeboy]

Orge is one of my town reads right now.

[Tammy]

No he obviously did realize it, and then decided it looked bad and backtracked on it two posts later. Yeah that's a thought process people have, I've done it before as scum.
No voting there sucks because there was definitely enough to make scumreads from at that point. He didn't say anything about changing his mind until prodded pages later, he just naked voted.
Yeah I am

True Ogre said he was leaning that way and was holding his vote. bee boy then asked him to please vote seniors and he did. I don't see that as backtracking. Soemtimes people vote when people ask then to early game. He didn't change his mind pages later. bee boy asked him and he voted. You don't need to have reasons with the vote as they were in his earlier post.

Be prepared to scum read me then because I am the waffle queen.

True Ogre said he was leaning that way but had concerns because of the Sakura push, but beeboy's pedited post erased those concerns and made him more comfortable following.

That was my interpretation too! I cut off the back and forth sircakez had and I had been having because quote nesting was getting large, but I was trying to get at the heart of why cakes was accusing him of backtracking and therefore being scum due to those posts.

[Mirhawk]

/dodge
I'll be back tomorrow.