A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[davesaz]

Then it occurred to me that he was probably a role cop, and Pistachion likely has a nonstandard role name.

Ah, ok that would make sense.

[Mirhawk]

@Cakez
Sure, while you're at it explain why you're pushing him over your other scumreads.

I was obviously you strongest read all of day one, why switch to Tictac now? What makes him scummier than me.

Also you're terrible at answering questions. If you don't want to answer them just say so. Stop pretending you don't see them.

[SirCakez]

If there's some question you asked and I missed it quote it please.

[Mirhawk]

Why did you do so little scumhunting say one.

You gave me an answer before, something about the game being too fluid or stale or something like that, bit I don't believe it really.

You posted a LOT day one. I have trouble believing you were having a hard time finding scumreads.

VOTE: The Wrong Lynch
Do something please

I liked TWL earlier on but now they are doing 0 things to scumhunt which is bad.

What about TWL's early play did you like? I thought it was pretty bad myself.

You being on this makes me feel kind of gross. I like pushing TWL, but I don't like you doing it.

I also asked you about your day one play, I don't really want to hunt down the post with your excuse for poor scumhunting, but I still want a better explanation.

I'm referring to 1660.

[Mirhawk]

Oh, and the one about TWL, and the new ones.

that's actually quite a few, I feel maybe a little unreasonable for demanding all of that.

[SirCakez]

Why tictac is scum (yeah I went through ISO to back up stuff)

The early note about TWL's "I missed you so much" being forced was bullshit to start.

142 - is a gross early fencesit to start his Seniors read

144 - 175 has a bizarre defense of Seniors that looks like WKing. This was questioned by multiple people.

Then in 483 after an extended absence, Seniors randomly becomes a scumread?

After this he disappears for an extended period of time and then dumps two walls full of things that look like they serve no purpose other then looking like he's doing something 1203 and 1361

Then 1603 is yet another bad wall with a sheeping Seniors vote at the end. Develops a random Ranger scumread here with no explanation.

And then....that's it. He disappeared at deadline, scummy in itself.

His posts today have consisted of a sheep onto now-confirmed Pist and then an also-sheeped Dram vote, then back to Pist, then finally a weak Podo vote in 2578 despite nearly no mention of him in the wall preceding.

Tl;dr

-Sheeps random wagons, very little solo pushes that go anywhere
-Disappeared at deadline
-Develops random scumreads (Ranger, Seniors) to fit where the leading wagons are.

[SirCakez]

I already answered the new ones/TWL one in 2624.

Why did you do so little scumhunting say one.

You gave me an answer before, something about the game being too fluid or stale or something like that, bit I don't believe it really.

You posted a LOT day one. I have trouble believing you were having a hard time finding scumreads.

VOTE: The Wrong Lynch
Do something please

I liked TWL earlier on but now they are doing 0 things to scumhunt which is bad.

What about TWL's early play did you like? I thought it was pretty bad myself.

You being on this makes me feel kind of gross. I like pushing TWL, but I don't like you doing it.

I also asked you about your day one play, I don't really want to hunt down the post with your excuse for poor scumhunting, but I still want a better explanation.

I'm referring to 1660.

I thought I did a fair amount of scumhunting day one. Not as much as some others but I definitely wasn't at the level of "very little scumhunting". 1660 was a response to why I was voteparked, not why I wasn't scumhunting.

[Mirhawk]

I missed that bit about TWL, now that I think about it I might have been townreading them early too. I don't think I started souring on them for several posts.

I have the impression that you spent a lot of time talking in day one, scumhunting not so much. I'm comparing you here to day one in the Zelda mafia game. You had a day one scumread and you pushed it. Here you just sat on me without doing anything. You never asked me anything or tried to otherwise engage me, and you didn't try to convince anyone else of what you saw in me either.

Ugh, don't make me read Tictac's posts. They are admittedly terrible, I see a lot of questions that make the person shes commenting to look worse without scumreading them. They do look a lot to me though like posts made by someone who is super behind and is trying to get caught up, which kinda explains the weak opinions and the commentary style of posting (I think). Maybe I'll read some of Tictac's other stuff later to see if she makes commentary style posts like that regularly (or maybe I won't, I'm varying levels of lazy).

[Rob14]

Vote Count #2.5:

Skybird:

pistachi0n, Marquis, SirCakez (3)

Axelrod:

dramonic, Sakura Hana (2)

tictac:

podoboq, itlepip (2)

The Pied Piper:

Friendless Seniors (1)

dramonic:

davesaz (1)

SirCakez:

Mirhawk (1)

podoboq:

tictac (1)

Not Voting:

Axelrod, Cerberus v666, THE WRONG LYNCH, The Pied Piper, True Ogre, Skybird

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-04-22 21:00:00)

[Mirhawk]

hrm

Tictac's other games leave me with mixed feelings. More effort, longer posts, less irreverent questions.

Still asks a degree of irreverent questions, but they seem more pointed, or at least like she's more interested in the answer then she has been in this game.

Also far more verbose in other games. In this game the posts are pretty long, but they're mostly just quotes followed by a short question or statement.

The effort thing may be directly related to being caught up in the other games though. I always feel like its almost more trouble then its worth to catch up when badly behind and I know my posts made after doing so are shittier.

I do have the impression that her posts wouldn't look so shitty if they were distributed through the thread rather then bunched up in quotewalls.

I could buy Tictac scum maybe I guess, but I'm not very confident in that.

[Sakura Hana]

@talah: I have a neutral read on you and i havent been able to interact with Nacho like at all because he has burshed me off both times.

Then it occurred to me that he was probably a role cop, and Pistachion likely has a nonstandard role name.

Ah, ok that would make sense.

No it doesn't.
If he has a nonstandard role name and talah's a rolecop then the rolecop is useless because you can't get any info out of any scan.

[Friendless Seniors]

My strongest scumread is still Skybird - who just jumped in, quoted the mod innocent, and unvoted (again, scum just doing the bare minimum to try and look town, with no trajectory of other reads or where to revote).

you're looking at 2534 as a scum indicative post right now. And I'm having a hard time believing that you actually believe that.
Sure, some of skybird's stuff D1 was not good stuff but how is unvoting an IC alignment indicative at all? How would Skybird reasonably expect to think that she was looking town from that move? How does the amount of effort that Skybird puts in indicative?
you're either hard confbiasing right now or just trying to get skybird lynched based on faulty premises.

-EP

[Mirhawk]

My strongest scumread is still Skybird - who just jumped in, quoted the mod innocent, and unvoted (again, scum just doing the bare minimum to try and look town, with no trajectory of other reads or where to revote).

you're looking at 2534 as a scum indicative post right now. And I'm having a hard time believing that you actually believe that.
Sure, some of skybird's stuff D1 was not good stuff but how is unvoting an IC alignment indicative at all? How would Skybird reasonably expect to think that she was looking town from that move? How does the amount of effort that Skybird puts in indicative?
you're either hard confbiasing right now or just trying to get skybird lynched based on faulty premises.

-EP

I'm with this.

[THE WRONG WAGON]

well tbh those who are voting me for not doing anything this Day is pretty valid. GM is MIA and I don't really have a day off til later friday or sat. I also have another huge test to study for, but I'm going to try to spare like an hour or so for this game in the next two days.

;-;

I'm really, really sorry.

[THE WRONG WAGON]

Also Mirhawk I'm pretty sure that you were never townreadig us? I think you made it clear, if you were townreading us it wasn't written in the thread.

So I dunno.

[Axelrod]

at the very least, you ought to be able to see why your posts, made the way you made them, look questionable

Nope i don't and i dont see where you get this idea that i would, they look completely fine to me.

I mean the part where you don't seem to mention anywhere at any time that you supposedly went and read a case against Ranger and agreed with it and this was the reason you were changing your vote. You agree you did not mention this, yes?

You seem to think that it should have been obvious to anyone with eyes that this is what happened. I am suggesting that it was not.

You're acting like I'm the one who's crazy for even questioning you about them.

If you want to call yourself crazy be that way, but to me it looks more like misrepresentation in order to soft push me without actually pushing me.

Strike 3

VOTE: Axel

Strike three? What happened to strike two? I think you added one somewhere.

Now please answer this: after me (obviously) who are your next best guesses for scum? You have been pretty quiet on opinions about anyone recently.

Can you tell me why you're looking for scum *on* the successful wagon when it's pretty common knowledge that scum prefer to be *off* a lynch wagon?

I don't think that's common knowledge. I don't even think it's true. In my experience scum prefer to get the lynches they can get pretty much whenever they can get them. And "all-townie" wagons are pretty rare.

I think there definitely

can

be value looking at who was "off" a wagon, and why they were off it, and sometimes I'll do that too. But I like looking at the votes first.

Since Piper was the original proponent of saying who'd be lynched yesterday (long before it was actually set in stone - as Tammy argued pretty stongly when kicking my ass for stressing about deadline).

I mentioned this here:

Also the seeds of viable lynchability was probably laid long ago by Plotinus before Ranger replaced in, rather than Ranger herself. From memory Plot had the viable candidates as Seniors, Mirhawk and Swordsworth (who Ranger replaced). I think they were the three.

And looking up the actual post from Piper/Plotinus, it was here:

I think the lynch of the day is going to be between Seniors, Swordsworth, and Mirhawk. Almost everybody is willing to vote Swordsworth but 0 people are actually voting him, but we'll see what happens with the replacement.

What do you think of Mirhawk?

The original post is much longer and worth a read.

Now I left in the Mirhawk thing because Ploti especially has asked me several times what I think of Mirhawk and had him as potential scum early on (parking but not pushing) but is shifting toward town now (which doesn't seem like an original thought to me - but rather like something which is an opportunity to change her read). For the record here, my read on Mirhawk is... fluctuating. Getting "wigged" doesn't say anything about his own alignment, and I think it's a bad play for a Seniors/Mirhawk team to riff off each other like that (and I think it's also extremely unlikely for that to have happened). On the other hand I don't really like his blaze attitude to wagonning... but maybe as Marquis said I'm just being "so serious" a-la Christian Bale with dead parents-turned-vigilante rather than just taking this for what it is - a game.

Anyway rather than digressing on thoughts, back to the point.

What

do

you think of Piper's Mirhawk > Seniors > Ranger > Seniors vote progression on Day 1?
All good and unimportant - or something worth questioning for its lack of seeming reason?

I'm not sure if this question is directed to me or not. If it is, I have not thought at all about PP's vote progressions on D1. I have not thought very much about PP period. He's one of those players kind of drifting in the background for me.

I mean, if you're telling me his votes were made without seeming reason, I would be interested in that.

[pistachi0n]

Yeah, something doesn't add up with Ogre's investigative results on me--at first I thought he might be scum with some investigative role trying to get me quicklynched before I could claim IC, but that doesn't make sense either--maybe he just wanted to draw it out of me?

[True Ogre]

Yeah, something doesn't add up with Ogre's investigative results on me--at first I thought he might be scum with some investigative role trying to get me quicklynched before I could claim IC, but that doesn't make sense either--maybe he just wanted to draw it out of me?

As I mentioned, I'm more than happy to full-claim if

you

want me to.

It's not all that complicated but I made a mistake pushing you.

[Sakura Hana]

who are your next best guesses for scum?

tictac

@everyone: I've been coming down with a 39ºC fever, hopefully this'll resolve soon, im not stating V/LA because i've already been inactive enough if it lasts enough to last past prod timer then i suggest i am replaced instead of prodded.

[Cerberus v666]

Hey pistachi0n, you're better than obvtown. Whose scum and why?

[Mirhawk]

Also Mirhawk I'm pretty sure that you were never townreadig us? I think you made it clear, if you were townreading us it wasn't written in the thread.

So I dunno.

That's entirely possible. I don't often make readslists and I don't always go out of my way to mention my townreads.

I'm pretty sure I was only townreading you for a few pages anyways.

[Mirhawk]

On the other hand I don't really like his blaze attitude to wagonning

For the record I'm not really sure what you're saying here.

It doesn't sound like something I would have a problem with or anything like that, I'm just not sure what you're trying to say.

[True Ogre]

I'm not a fan of "lol wagons". I tend to take the game a bit more seriously than that at least when doing things which affect a lynch - and frankly can't think of a time outside of RVS that I've wagonned for no reason other than... a wagon.

So your approach in seeming to have a cheerful time with wagons rising or falling doesn't resonate with me and causes me to question why you have that attitude.

To be clear, I don't think it *can't* come from town, so I'm having trouble digesting what motivates you to laugh at certain moments.

Anyway, "tee hee". I may or may not dodge the weekend.

Nacho, interact with Sakura will you please?

And Axel, yes the question was to you. I decided to sheep the hydra late in the day yesterday and was extremely perturbed when their vote lacked the intellectual backing I expected.

[itlepip]

Cerberus is probably town guys, I tried.

[Skybird]

Welcome itlepip!

I'm not sure what you mean with post 2648. Do you mean you tried to read him and can't quite figure him out? Or did you try to engage him? lynch him? What exactly did you try to do?