A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Cerberus v666]

also happens to skybird ffs

Agreed. Not a valid argument for preferring skybird over cakez. (Or Mirhawk!!!)

[Friendless Seniors]

SO VOTE TPP CERB

only one with an actual case besides "u playbad"

[Cerberus v666]

SO VOTE TPP CERB

only one with an actual case besides "u playbad"

You remember Ranger right? Where everyone waa sure they were scum, and I refused because I don't vote my town reads? Yeah. Same situation here. I'll be extremely surprised and duly impressed if they flip scum.

[Dwlee99]

At least we have each other, hiplop.

[pistachi0n]

also happens to skybird ffs

ok. I've played with Cakez but I haven't played with Skybird. So from my prior experience, I've scumread Cakez when it turns out he was town, I know nothing about the bird.

[True Ogre]

Well I guess Mala's going nowhere today for some reason despite looking to me like a super-solid option that probably most people agree with.

I suggest we get this show on the road if you're voting Skybird because she already said she wants to claim prior to lynch.

Anyway.

UNVOTE: Malakittens
VOTE: The Pied Piper

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-04-22 21:00:00)

[True Ogre]

also happens to skybird ffs

ok. I've played with Cakez but I haven't played with Skybird. So from my prior experience, I've scumread Cakez when it turns out he was town, I know nothing about the bird.

From a rough recollection of last time I played with Skybird, she wasn't really lynchbait but that partly because there were a few strong townies who managed to get a decent townread on her pretty quickly.
Her play was slow off the bat but there were posts that were super-authentic here and there which made a gut-read quite easy (well for me).

Not quite the same feeling here for me but the other game wasn't a large theme either. The main thing that leaves a bad taste in my mouth about the push on Skybird here is the bad reasoning surrounding it.
The discussion that Marquis and Piper had about "Lovers crumbs" is stomach-churningly bad.

SO VOTE TPP CERB

only one with an actual case besides "u playbad"

You remember Ranger right? Where everyone waa sure they were scum, and I refused because I don't vote my town reads? Yeah. Same situation here. I'll be extremely surprised and duly impressed if they flip scum.

Sooooo... you're just parking on Mirhawk until one of you dies?

Seems pretty passive dude.

[The Pied Piper]

Can someone explain to me the TPP scum read/case like I'm 5??

It seems nobody was interested in answering Mala's question. Perhaps there isn't a case.

people are ignoring me and that is REALLY fucking suspicious

You're ignoring Mala's request for an explanation.

Also, it seems like all TPP is saying about dwlee anyway is that he hasn't done anything alignment indicative yet.

Yep. I'm not interested in dwlee right now.

I

disagree

with you and I think you are using

flawed logic

and I am

not getting that vibe at all

from TPP and I think you are

assigning too much importance to yourself.

Y E S

Right now I am interested in Skybird and people who are willing to vote Skybird.



People who are voting

Skybird

[7/9]:

Marquis

,

podoboq

,

The Pied Piper

,

Malakittens

,

Mirhawk

,

Axelrod

,

pistachi0n

<-- look how town this wagon is.
People are not voting Skybird: Seniors, dwlee, dramonic, davesaz, tictac, skybird, itlepip, cerb, cakes, ogre


People who won't vote Skybird: Seniors, dwlee, davesaz, tictac, skybird
People who probably won't vote Skybird: dramonic, itlepip, True Ogre
People who have expressed willingness to vote Skybird although their interests lie elsewhere: cerb, cakes

brb looking up a quote from anti about buttplugs.

this game has just enough know it all, devils advocate wagon pooh-poohers to make this game completely constipated and dysfunctional

it's beautiful

you're one of the biggest buttplugs in this, ank. jsyk

gah you're not even one of the fun kinds of buttplugs

you're like that really course wine cork that i tried out but then regretted 2 seconds later.

The person Anti was talking to/about was scum jsyk.


What I'm saying is that

some people

are really determined to not let any wagon get to L-1 in a reasonable amount of time but would prefer that we deadline scramble at 3am tomorrow night.


pedit:

The discussion that Marquis and Piper had about "Lovers crumbs" is stomach-churningly bad.

How often do you see scum start a public conversation about other people's crumbing? What is the scum motivation for having this discussion in public instead of in private? What do you think we would have gained from that conversation if we were scum?

[True Ogre]

Who in the 5 kingdoms of hades looks for a

Lovers

crumb?

And here's you and Marquis chit-chatting about how Skybird probably picked up on it and NK'd Spiffeh for it?

I mean that's not sensible. It's fucking ridiculous.

[The Pied Piper]

I looked for them on Day 2 in response to seeing the flip. Marquis did too, apparently. If he knew they were lovers on day 1 and then decided to start this conversation today about how the scumteam might have known then he has balls of titanium.

Crumbhunting plays an important part in my town game. I successfully caught Bella as scum because she crumbed "JAILS MM&E" in her usual crumbing style in open 618 but did not counterclaim the real jailkeeper. (capital letters, right to left, top to bottom; there's a superfluous capital I in there too but it doesn't count, only the first L in LLD counts. Another clue was that she capitalises some people's names but not others, as was the word Jeez which she hadn't used on the site previously. we were a reasonable jailkeeping target because we were practically an innocent child that game.)

I mean, it's easier in an open setup and it's easier with friends that you know how they usually crumbs things, and it's much easier in hindsight after a flip, but in a closed setup if you can catch somebody crumbing multiple roles or crumbing something but not acting like the thing that they crumbed...maybe that's not how you scumhunt but for me it's one of the tools in my toolbox.

[True Ogre]

I looked for them on Day 2 in response to seeing the flip. Marquis did too, apparently. If he knew they were lovers on day 1 and then decided to start this conversation today about how the scumteam might have known then he has balls of titanium.

This is fine. You look at it Day 2 to see if there were any crumbs to be picked up on. *shrug*

But the conversation and argument goes along the lines of

Marquis:

"Well I looked at it Day 2 and it seems like Skybird was focussing on Tammy and Spiffeh disproportionately. Therefore she might have picked up on it Day 1, otherwise, a scum-mate might have and she may have let their pickup slip and have communicated it through daychat"

Spoiler:

This is all in hindsight and I didn't pick up on it the first time. But my point earlier was that it's possible a scum player did and shared it with the team - Skybird's posts disproportionately associated Tammy and Spiffeh together way before Day 1 ended.

It's fairly pointless now, but if Skybird flips scum it's indicative that other scum players may have been subconsciously letting their knowledge of those Lovers slip through as well.

Piper:

"Mm. Mm. Mm. That makes sense, good pickup Marquis"

Spoiler:

unless we're doing nka i feel like this is pointless

A few people did nightkill analysis and some of them thought that [axel, mala, tictac] might be scum because of Spiffeh's reads, but we have a reason to believe that tictac is town.

Actually, looking back through the end of Tammy's ISO it seems she shared quite a few reads with Spiffeh so they might've had a neighbourhood.

pedit: It's a good thought, Marquis. I'll keep an eye out for similar patterns.

Do you even realise how much of a stretch that is to even hypothesise?

And now you're telling me that you and Marquis are town because it would be stupid for scum to be so... stupid?
Where are we deliniating the stupid here then? The initial hypothesis - or you saying you're town because that would be stupid for scum?
Newsflash: It's stupid for town too.
And it makes no sense as a scumtell on Skybird.

[The Pied Piper]

Not stupid, actively playing against scum wincon. Killing Spiffeh with the intent of killing Tammy and framing the people that Spiffeh were scumreading while protecting Tammy's scumreads is the kind of brilliant scumplay that you don't gloating about in public after it's done because that ruins the point in the first place. You save it for postgame.

It's not stupid as town if it helps us catch scum. Later when I have time I'll go through various people's old scum PTs and see if they're crumbhunters or not. Maybe it'll lead somewhere, maybe it won't. (I successfully towncleared a bunch of people in The Odds based on this activity and then...I forgot about it in lylo because I was too sick to reread and voted wrong.)

[True Ogre]

Fire Emblem was like the largest Day 1 in MS history and had some pretty awesome mechanics with children/players *entering* the game.
Have fun with that :)

I QUESTION THIS STATEMENT

What's to question?

Largest days in a Large Game
# Game Day Posts Notes
1 Fire Emblem: Awakening Mafia. Day 1 4198

I thought it was fun :)

Pretty sure it was the largest game for a bit too.

WERE YOU IN IT? O.O

[True Ogre]

Not stupid, actively playing against scum wincon. Killing Spiffeh with the intent of killing Tammy and framing the people that Spiffeh were scumreading while protecting Tammy's scumreads is the kind of brilliant scumplay that you don't gloating about in public after it's done because that ruins the point in the first place. You save it for postgame.

Ummm. The argument as presented is that Skybird is probably scum because either she or her scumteam picked up on the Lover's crumb Day 1 and decided to NK Spiffeh as opposed to Tammy to cover their tracks and score a double-kill.
Nobody's gloating about starting up a convo about having picked up on it Day 2 (but really having picked up on it Day 1) and therefore being town (because mentioning it Day 2 having picked up on it Day 1 and executing a nightkill). Unless you're saying

you

actually picked up on it Day 1?

It's not stupid as town if it helps us catch scum.

But it doesn't because the idea that scum actually picked up on that Day 1 is close to 0%.
Unless you're saying you actually picked up on it Day 1?

Later when I have time I'll go through various people's old scum PTs and see if they're crumbhunters or not. Maybe it'll lead somewhere, maybe it won't. (I successfully towncleared a bunch of people in The Odds based on this activity and then...I forgot about it in lylo because I was too sick to reread and voted wrong.)

Kay.

[The Pied Piper]

No, it's more like a footnote. It's not why she's scum. It doesn't play any part in the case against her. It's a "if she's scum then she might be scum together with somebody who noticed something but it could be a coincidence". If she flips scum then it's worth looking at who would pick up on that kind of thing, but that by itself is not going to be a case against anybody in particular, they would have to be independently scummy aside from that.

Marquis and I both acknowledged in our discussion earlier that it was probably a red herring.

Nobody can prove that a crumb they saw on Day 2 was not seen by them on Day 1; that is why it is dangerous for scumMarquis to start a discussion about this topic but townMarquis doesn't care.

Are you getting anything out of this conversation or are we going around in circles again?

[True Ogre]

Circles.

[True Ogre]

I actually wish there were other people to real-time riff with in this timezone because I feel like I've bitten off a big cheese-eating bite of nachoscum, identified that it's laced with arsenic, and then looked around and realised my gingerbread house is made of the same stuff.

I tend to get invested in these things, one way or another.

[The Pied Piper]

Okay. Glad we caught it earlier this time.




pedit: yeah, I know what you mean. I tend to also get trapped into responding just because more words are happening, like yesterday when I couldn't figure out how to eat lunch without being told.

I think you're right that it's a timezone thing. It's noonish for me and nobody else is here so we end up talking to each other. It's weird how many Americans are on this playerlist; the mini I modded was split almost exactly evenly between Aussies/Europeans/Americans/people I didn't know.

[True Ogre]

Tell me to get off my arse and cook myself dinner and we're even.

VOTE: Skybird

Big faith-leap. Don't let me down, or nightkill me.

L-1

(?)

[The Pied Piper]

Thank you. Go make dinner, Ogre. I'm going to make some potato soup for lunch.

[itlepip]

BTW imo the colors are

Skybird [7/9]:

Marquis

,

podoboq,

The Pied Piper

, Malakittens,

Mirhawk

,

Axelrod

,

pistachi0n

<-- look how bad this wagon looks.

Also True Ogre is probably town but that vote never counts in terms of wagon quality.

[True Ogre]

*shrug*

We need a lynch (which will be a claim and a decision) and it just depends on whether you think Piper's town now.

Considering you declined to consider Piper for lynch earlier when I asked, maybe you should just bite the bullet and ask Skybird to claim.

[True Ogre]

I'm not sure where the vote count is, but I hope I will be given the opportunity to claim before lynch.

[SirCakez]

The Lovers "crumbing" has little relevance to the overall case for Skybird!scum Ogre, like PP said. It's not even part of my scumread on her.
Itle wtf are those colors supposed to mean?
Will give intent in a bit if no one else shows up.

[True Ogre]

The question actually was whether it's a valid line of thought from Piper/Marquis.

You present your case, fine. They present theirs, fine. I haven't seen you saying you've connected with them bigtime and your cases are the same.

You've been good on this before - can you give me a sentence or two on why Skybird's scum?

Idgi