A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Marquis]

nacho why did you unvote skybird

of course the claim was going to be unconfirmable, any scum fakeclaim is. skybird had to ride on the inherent towniness of the role she claimed, which kingmaker provides. in other words it's not in any way a bad fakeclaim for a scum!skybird to make and the whole "why would she do this as scum" argument is tired and unhelpful

i also highly highly doubt rob wouldn't provide scum with fakeclaims in this game as well, he's experienced enough in both large power-heavy themes and modding to know it's practically necessary

[SirCakez]

@Rob, can you confirm that I am a 1-shot kingmaker and that I targeted Tammy last night?

I'm not sure if he can, but it's worth a try.

Why did you dislike this post?

Because it's really really really really obvious that Rob can't confirm that.

[Marquis]

^she's not new and it serves no purpose other than to give others the impression that there's something real behind the curtain of unprovability.
it's like when scum try to convince themselves their lies are real in order to come off more genuine.

[The Pied Piper]

of course the claim was going to be unconfirmable, any scum fakeclaim is. skybird had to ride on the inherent towniness of the role she claimed, which kingmaker provides. in other words it's not in any way a bad fakeclaim for a scum!skybird to make and the whole "why would she do this as scum" argument is tired and unhelpful

it's specifically the "i'm a one-shot kingmaker and i targeted tammy" bit that gets me
if she had a kingmaker fake claim, why not just claim that she had a kingmaker shot left? if she was afraid of not being confirmed, then it makes more sense to go with another claim completely because this does literally nothing for her

[The Pied Piper]

^she's not new and it serves no purpose other than to give others the impression that there's something real behind the curtain of unprovability.
it's like when scum try to convince themselves their lies are real in order to come off more genuine.

was hoping to hear from cakez on that particular point

[Skybird]

Not really sure what to make of that claim. I was expecting something at least semi-provable given the request to claim prior to lynch.

Why did you care whether or not you would get to claim given you've already used your shot and where you used it provides no info Skybird?

I was hoping (against odds) that it would help. I'm really trying to figure out how to not be mislynched.

[Skybird]

What do you think about Ogre?

Ogre is town.

[Marquis]

of course the claim was going to be unconfirmable, any scum fakeclaim is. skybird had to ride on the inherent towniness of the role she claimed, which kingmaker provides. in other words it's not in any way a bad fakeclaim for a scum!skybird to make and the whole "why would she do this as scum" argument is tired and unhelpful

it's specifically the "i'm a one-shot kingmaker and i targeted tammy" bit that gets me
if she had a kingmaker fake claim, why not just claim that she had a kingmaker shot left? if she was afraid of not being confirmed, then it makes more sense to go with another claim completely because this does literally nothing for her

it's not a bad fakeclaim, even not taking into account the wagon stall due to it
why claim there's a shot left if it's not going to be provable?
she's not afraid of not being confirmed, she doesn't NEED confirmation. she claimed a role that, while not confirmable, is inherently town aligned in this setup.
this claim is literally akin to claiming 1-shot friendly neighbor that was used up on a dead player, a claim that looks bad on paper but is so easy for scum to get away with
it injects town with the same fallacious mentality subconscious or not "if it's real it's pretty much confirmed town" even though it won't be confirmable without a rolecop that we shouldn't be gambling on

[SirCakez]

Piper obviously she can't say she has a shot left, then it could be confirmed.

[Skybird]

I'm not lying about being a one shot king maker. That is my role.

I think everyone needs to look at NY177 and see how Marquis convinced herself that I was scum and even said in that game she wouldn't be able to see me any other way. She is in that same mind-frame here, totally convinced she is right (when she is totally wrong). It is seriously pissing me off!

p-edit: I can't say I have one shot left because I did use it. My bad luck that Tammy died. Believe me, I would love to have the one shot back.

[Dwlee99]

I'm not lying about being a one shot king maker. That is my role.

I think everyone needs to look at NY177 and see how Marquis convinced herself that I was scum and even said in that game she wouldn't be able to see me any other way. She is in that same mind-frame here, totally convinced she is right (when she is totally wrong). It is seriously pissing me off!

p-edit: I can't say I have one shot left because I did use it. My bad luck that Tammy died. Believe me, I would love to have the one shot back.

vote tpp???

[Axelrod]

like why would sky bird claim that as scum?

There are times when the question "why would X do such-as-such as scum" can be a valid reason for thinking someone is town.

This is not one of those times.

[Marquis]

I think everyone needs to look at NY177 and see how Marquis convinced herself that I was scum and even said in that game she wouldn't be able to see me any other way. She is in that same mind-frame here, totally convinced she is right (when she is totally wrong). It is seriously pissing me off!

this is your argument on me when you literally just said i should be lynched next?

[Marquis]

psa: i was also town in the game skybird was referencing, and her play here is drastically different as well in ways i've already outlined

[Mirhawk]

This progression is gross. From fencesitting on the claim to willing to lynch in 4 posts.

It's a plausible claim so yeah I considered it. Is there some reason I wouldn't do that?

You're painting this in the worst possible light when a much more likely explanation is that I was thinking about it.

[SirCakez]

You said you were considering it yeah, but you went to willing to lynch four posts later. That's not very good consideration.

[The Pied Piper]

i'm tired

Vote: Skybird

[The Pied Piper]

i agree that sky bird trying to get rob to confirm her role was a bit ridiculous and probably not genuine; i don't like how her response to me unvoting her and giving her space was to toss out a couple half-hearted reads and not interact with me at all

[The Pied Piper]

i didn't like the progression on marquis from town reading to "should be lynched next" to throwing times when he mislynched her in her face

[The Pied Piper]

Piper obviously she can't say she has a shot left, then it could be confirmed.

yes. then the town could lynch someone else while she confirms her role
the next day she says whoops she got role blocked and probably gets lynched but at least she lives another day

[The Pied Piper]

i like mirhawk a lot better. still don't like cakes. don't really like dwlee's behavior around this day; he's focused completely on something that doesn't matter at all to what's happening right now and his read on us looks like he chose to scumread us and has a scum game that is so bad that he can't think of any reasons for it

[Dwlee99]

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Seniors and I have said our reasons.
I'm declaring intent just for the stupid shit skybird said to me in that pedit.

[The Pied Piper]

hiplop's push on us also looks atrocious; i don't understand where the nonsense push is coming from and i'm not sure he would shift into nonsense tunnel mode after getting as frustrated as he did with beeboy's tunnel earlier

[Marquis]

btw if she is a scum kingmaker it's definitely limited with something like Weak

[SirCakez]

Why do you like Mirhawk a lot better?