↑itlepip wrote:Your play this game regardless of your age has been fairly useless. I'm not too much older than you but seriously you've managed to out town PRs and waste 3-4 days. If you are town you were really close to getting in the towncircle and if you were scum you might have had a chance of winning the game for your team but yeah that's not going to happen.
Quick stuff cause my life gets super hectic soon. May have to go VLA.
Never should be lynched:
Cake
90% Cerb
Ogre
Marquis
dave
TWL
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Podo imo. Like he has his town moments and then he has his moments,
like his post before he agreed with me
, that feel like scum just trying to fit in.
Probably Dwlee.
I don't really remember agreeing with you on anything in particular, unless you've come around on Dram being useless to town.
Also I think Dram has had decent moments when he showed up, it just isn't enough for me to really call him conftown like I want to. He has, in my opinion, a much more solid opinion of the gamestate that Dwlee.
nope. Please point me to the post you're talking about.
↑Dwlee99 wrote:Because TPP's claim was cleary bs and I knew it. I made good points about why it was bs and no one listened.
There never was a claim and there weren't any holes in it. You were pushing for a fullclaim of someone you thought was scum for softing. That's just kinda lazy tbh. Like if you are town here then you just decided to shut your brain off and just only look at this one thing that happened in a 4000 post game. You didn't look at interactions with sky, or weird posts or anything like that. You just kinda pushed 1 tiny thing that if you were wrong about just outs a shitload of town PR for no gain.
The best way to do this honestly is to push TPP for stuff that doesn't involve outing a shit ton of PRs.
Like you have to learn that there are times when lynching obv scum isn't the best, and I don't think you even considered it. I still believe that Mirhawk has the highest chance of being scum, but I don't think that me trying to strongarm that lynch is super important nor am I worried about Mirhawk seriously pulling the wool over town's eyes.
↑Cerberus v666 wrote:Yeah. The only things you said were that they claimed knowledge of PR's(which they did do), implied they were an investigative(which they didn't, as podo said), and they softed an innocent on someone(which they sorta did, but this lose a lot of meaning if you aren't assuming they claimed an investigative). You then put all that together in a blender, and realized none of it added up to a single role you could call them, and decided that meant part of what they were saying had to be untrue, therefore they are scum, without EVER considering that they could actually have just arrived at a number of conclusions through their analysis.
Don't think it really matters though, except I kinda do want to lynch you, but I don't think anybody else does. Like, does anybody else see dwlee as potentially scum here? I really feel like we need to look outside the established "probtown" group and the people that have been getting consistently pushed to the edge of being lynched.
pedit: pip, you really need to explain that read on me. I fucking suck man. And the only game you have with me was SF and UNIMUM(right? you were in unimum right?), where I was, well, a fucking marvel of posting. I was always there, I was on top of the entire game, and I had something to say about EVERYTHING.
I can see wagonning on dwlee here. Let's do it and see what happens. VOTE: dwlee
↑Dwlee99 wrote:Because TPP's claim was cleary bs and I knew it. I made good points about why it was bs and no one listened.
You basically made one point; a misrep about how they implied they were an investigative role (which they didn't), and then said that their knowledge doesn't come from being an investigative role. If I'm misremembering that in some way, let me know, and I'll go look through your ISO and quote all the instances I can find.
Seems like you were committed to pushing Piper today regardless of how Skybird flipped.
Can you explain that please?
If sky flipped town I was lynching tpp for them. They flipped scum so I am lynching their partner.
Everything combined with their bs soft claims and everything and refusal to claim = scum.
↑Dwlee99 wrote:Skybird scum: Their scum/townreads are all wifom.
Skybird town: They scumread tpp and wanted them lynched
pedit A BS role that lets you know other town power roles and who has them and will be made clear when you flip, aka not a real rolr and you need to eat rope
↑Dwlee99 wrote:it isnt the soft on seniors holy fuck. THEY SOFTED A TICTAC INNO
that's what i wanted to hear. sorry, dreams are weird, and usually someone's alignment is the exact opposite of what I dream so if i dream they flip scum then they're always town (but of course i don't use that to clear them while i'm playing the game), but what is the "exact opposite" of benign third party?
↑itlepip wrote:My point was that before someone says the obvious "OMG DON"T PUT YOURSELF IN YOUR AUTO CIRCLE!!" is not relevant.
meh, everyone has themselves in their own circle. i kind of roll my eyes when i see someone claiming to townread themselves but anyway carry on.
↑itlepip wrote:TPP what was your intention with that soft?
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to believe that tictac is town since the start of day 2. It's just the first soft that anybody paid any attention to
. I can't answer your question more fully without outing a bunch of PRs for no reason; sorry.
If anybody I believed to be town were in danger of being lynched I'd explain enough to prevent that from happening but as it is all you really need to know is that I have a townread on tictac that will be explained sooner or later. Possibly sooner not until my hydra partner is less busy.
EAT ROPE
↑Dwlee99 wrote:Read your hydra partner's posts and maybe you wouldnt fuck up your fake claim :^)
↑Dwlee99 wrote:"we would out a bunch of prs by claiming"
"I do not have info on town prs"
Eat ropeeeeeee
↑Dwlee99 wrote:Softs inno -> would out town prs by claiming -> no info on town prs.
Eat rope eat rope eat rope eat rope eat rope eat rope eat rope
↑Dwlee99 wrote:"we would out a bunch of prs by claiming"
"I do not have info on town prs"
Eat ropeeeeeee
You said that my role was that I knew a bunch of information on town PRs.
I did not claim that my role was that I knew a bunch of information on town PRs.
claiming that you woukd out town prs by claiming meanns you have info on town prs. You cant backtrack this
↑The Pied Piper wrote:Why was softing an innocent on Tictac scummy?
admits to softing an inno on tictac
"that was not a soft"
↑Dwlee99 wrote:like it is p obvious that wasnt a fake guilty. idk what hiplop is on about but your claim is bullshit and you need rope
↑Dwlee99 wrote:Lol. Can we go back.to talking about how tpp claimed that claiming would out prs but later said he had no info on prs?
↑Dwlee99 wrote:On a serious, saying info about your role is claiming on a smaller level. Stop trying to argue semantics and answer how tf your contradicton makes sense
↑Dwlee99 wrote:Ok so:
Claiming woukd out prs
I have no info on prs
I have info from my role
sjntbfbnfj
that's what i wanted to hear. sorry, dreams are weird, and usually someone's alignment is the exact opposite of what I dream so if i dream they flip scum then they're always town (but of course i don't use that to clear them while i'm playing the game), but what is the "exact opposite" of benign third party?
↑itlepip wrote:My point was that before someone says the obvious "OMG DON"T PUT YOURSELF IN YOUR AUTO CIRCLE!!" is not relevant.
meh, everyone has themselves in their own circle. i kind of roll my eyes when i see someone claiming to townread themselves but anyway carry on.
↑itlepip wrote:TPP what was your intention with that soft?
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to believe that tictac is town since the start of day 2. It's just the first soft that anybody paid any attention to. I can't answer your question more fully without outing a bunch of PRs for no reason; sorry. If anybody I believed to be town were in danger of being lynched I'd explain enough to prevent that from happening but as it is all you really need to know is that I have a townread on tictac that will be explained sooner or later. Possibly sooner not until my hydra partner is less busy.
↑The Pied Piper wrote:I do not have a role that "lets me know other power roles".
↑Dwlee99 wrote:oh yea.
So you say your claim wiuld out prs becauss you can tell who prs are (such as a vigilante) and yet that makes no sense because your claim wouldnt out that
↑The Pied Piper wrote:I'll townread him if he busses seniors!
pedit: I didn't say that my claim would out PRs. I said that explaining what I'm softing would do that. I can explain what I'm softing without roleclaiming at all. Now can we please just put this to rest and go back to lynching your buddy?
you soft stuff about your role. Are you saying tictac is town because of a supposed interaction you had that gave vig vibes?
I refuse to accept responsibility for this shit, this is on tpp lying.
↑Dwlee99 wrote:"we would out a bunch of prs by claiming"
"I do not have info on town prs"
Eat ropeeeeeee
You said that my role was that I knew a bunch of information on town PRs.
I did not claim that my role was that I knew a bunch of information on town PRs.
claiming that you woukd out town prs by claiming meanns you have info on town prs. You cant backtrack this
↑itlepip wrote:TPP just summarize everything you have softed.
Dwlee shut up you are not helping. Prattling on about TPP is just wasting thread space.
Sorry I am laying on a silver platter all of their fucking contradictions and that you see that as a waste of space. I will sit here and do nothing since apparently no matter what I do I am just wasting.thread space =_=
↑Dwlee99 wrote:Lol. Can we go back.to talking about how tpp claimed that claiming would out prs but later said he had no info on prs?
↑Dwlee99 wrote:OGRE THEY CONTRADICTED THEIR CLAIMS PLEASE
↑Dwlee99 wrote:On a serious, saying info about your role is claiming on a smaller level. Stop trying to argue semantics and answer how tf your contradicton makes sense
↑Dwlee99 wrote:Ok so:
Claiming woukd out prs
I have no info on prs
I have info from my role
sjntbfbnfj
that's what i wanted to hear. sorry, dreams are weird, and usually someone's alignment is the exact opposite of what I dream so if i dream they flip scum then they're always town (but of course i don't use that to clear them while i'm playing the game), but what is the "exact opposite" of benign third party?
↑itlepip wrote:My point was that before someone says the obvious "OMG DON"T PUT YOURSELF IN YOUR AUTO CIRCLE!!" is not relevant.
meh, everyone has themselves in their own circle. i kind of roll my eyes when i see someone claiming to townread themselves but anyway carry on.
↑itlepip wrote:TPP what was your intention with that soft?
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to believe that tictac is town since the start of day 2. It's just the first soft that anybody paid any attention to. I can't answer your question more fully without outing a bunch of PRs for no reason; sorry. If anybody I believed to be town were in danger of being lynched I'd explain enough to prevent that from happening but as it is all you really need to know is that I have a townread on tictac that will be explained sooner or later. Possibly sooner not until my hydra partner is less busy.
↑The Pied Piper wrote:I do not have a role that "lets me know other power roles".
↑Dwlee99 wrote:oh yea.
So you say your claim wiuld out prs becauss you can tell who prs are (such as a vigilante) and yet that makes no sense because your claim wouldnt out that
p-edit: Why did you do my work for me? Posting this anyway because damnit, I did the work anyway.
↑Cerberus v666 wrote:Yeah. The only things you said were that they claimed knowledge of PR's(which they did do), implied they were an investigative(which they didn't, as podo said), and they softed an innocent on someone(which they sorta did, but this lose a lot of meaning if you aren't assuming they claimed an investigative). You then put all that together in a blender, and realized none of it added up to a single role you could call them, and decided that meant part of what they were saying had to be untrue, therefore they are scum, without EVER considering that they could actually have just arrived at a number of conclusions through their analysis.
Don't think it really matters though, except I kinda do want to lynch you, but I don't think anybody else does. Like, does anybody else see dwlee as potentially scum here? I really feel like we need to look outside the established "probtown" group and the people that have been getting consistently pushed to the edge of being lynched.
pedit: pip, you really need to explain that read on me. I fucking suck man. And the only game you have with me was SF and UNIMUM(right? you were in unimum right?), where I was, well, a fucking marvel of posting. I was always there, I was on top of the entire game, and I had something to say about EVERYTHING.
Cerbikins you have posts that are just so cute and cuddly and towny that I can't help townreading you even though you haven't done much this game. <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
The actual answer, is that you echo exactly how I approach certain situations, my biggest issue, your lack of presence recently and in general, you made a point of expressing even though I haven't said anything about it.
None of that is actually as damning as you say it is. Responding to you about why they said what they did about tictac/flubbernugget would have, indeed, outed at least one town PR(that's not a bunch, so there is some exaggeration going on there, but yeah. A town PR.), they did not technically have any information on any town pr's(they knew flubbernugget was a neighborizer and clearly wanted to conceal that, so sure, lie, but obviously a protown one, and any other information they had was purely due to his claim, and thus unverified, because of the next point), and they never claimed to actually have any information on anyone due to their role. They *never* softed/claimed investigative...all they did was say, essentially..."we have cause to believe that x is town".
The same way that I have cause to believe that a certain specific slot in the game whose flavor is connected to my own, is town.
↑Dwlee99 wrote:"we would out a bunch of prs by claiming"
"I do not have info on town prs"
Eat ropeeeeeee
You said that my role was that I knew a bunch of information on town PRs.
I did not claim that my role was that I knew a bunch of information on town PRs.
claiming that you woukd out town prs by claiming meanns you have info on town prs. You cant backtrack this
↑itlepip wrote:TPP just summarize everything you have softed.
Dwlee shut up you are not helping. Prattling on about TPP is just wasting thread space.
Sorry I am laying on a silver platter all of their fucking contradictions and that you see that as a waste of space. I will sit here and do nothing since apparently no matter what I do I am just wasting.thread space =_=
↑Dwlee99 wrote:Lol. Can we go back.to talking about how tpp claimed that claiming would out prs but later said he had no info on prs?
↑Dwlee99 wrote:OGRE THEY CONTRADICTED THEIR CLAIMS PLEASE
↑Dwlee99 wrote:On a serious, saying info about your role is claiming on a smaller level. Stop trying to argue semantics and answer how tf your contradicton makes sense
↑Dwlee99 wrote:Ok so:
Claiming woukd out prs
I have no info on prs
I have info from my role
sjntbfbnfj
that's what i wanted to hear. sorry, dreams are weird, and usually someone's alignment is the exact opposite of what I dream so if i dream they flip scum then they're always town (but of course i don't use that to clear them while i'm playing the game), but what is the "exact opposite" of benign third party?
↑itlepip wrote:My point was that before someone says the obvious "OMG DON"T PUT YOURSELF IN YOUR AUTO CIRCLE!!" is not relevant.
meh, everyone has themselves in their own circle. i kind of roll my eyes when i see someone claiming to townread themselves but anyway carry on.
↑itlepip wrote:TPP what was your intention with that soft?
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to believe that tictac is town since the start of day 2. It's just the first soft that anybody paid any attention to. I can't answer your question more fully without outing a bunch of PRs for no reason; sorry. If anybody I believed to be town were in danger of being lynched I'd explain enough to prevent that from happening but as it is all you really need to know is that I have a townread on tictac that will be explained sooner or later. Possibly sooner not until my hydra partner is less busy.
↑The Pied Piper wrote:I do not have a role that "lets me know other power roles".
↑Dwlee99 wrote:oh yea.
So you say your claim wiuld out prs becauss you can tell who prs are (such as a vigilante) and yet that makes no sense because your claim wouldnt out that
p-edit: Why did you do my work for me? Posting this anyway because damnit, I did the work anyway.
it wasnt the same thing over and over again. There are different points.
(Softed an inno, admitted to it being an inno, the info on pr things)
↑Cerberus v666 wrote:Yeah. The only things you said were that they claimed knowledge of PR's(which they did do), implied they were an investigative(which they didn't, as podo said), and they softed an innocent on someone(which they sorta did, but this lose a lot of meaning if you aren't assuming they claimed an investigative). You then put all that together in a blender, and realized none of it added up to a single role you could call them, and decided that meant part of what they were saying had to be untrue, therefore they are scum, without EVER considering that they could actually have just arrived at a number of conclusions through their analysis.
Don't think it really matters though, except I kinda do want to lynch you, but I don't think anybody else does. Like, does anybody else see dwlee as potentially scum here? I really feel like we need to look outside the established "probtown" group and the people that have been getting consistently pushed to the edge of being lynched.
pedit: pip, you really need to explain that read on me. I fucking suck man. And the only game you have with me was SF and UNIMUM(right? you were in unimum right?), where I was, well, a fucking marvel of posting. I was always there, I was on top of the entire game, and I had something to say about EVERYTHING.
Cerbikins you have posts that are just so cute and cuddly and towny that I can't help townreading you even though you haven't done much this game. <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
The actual answer, is that you echo exactly how I approach certain situations, my biggest issue, your lack of presence recently and in general, you made a point of expressing even though I haven't said anything about it.
Hmm.
Fine. I'll accept it for the moment. Can we vote Dwlee together?
Also, I'll be pissed if FS turns out to actually be scum(and man, if they are, I am going to LOVE it when someone uses this EXACT post and calls me out on laying out the groundwork for dealing with an eventual FS scum flip), since I've spent basically all my effort this game working to keep them from getting lynched.
↑Dwlee99 wrote:"we would out a bunch of prs by claiming"
"I do not have info on town prs"
Eat ropeeeeeee
You said that my role was that I knew a bunch of information on town PRs.
I did not claim that my role was that I knew a bunch of information on town PRs.
claiming that you woukd out town prs by claiming meanns you have info on town prs. You cant backtrack this
↑itlepip wrote:TPP just summarize everything you have softed.
Dwlee shut up you are not helping. Prattling on about TPP is just wasting thread space.
Sorry I am laying on a silver platter all of their fucking contradictions and that you see that as a waste of space. I will sit here and do nothing since apparently no matter what I do I am just wasting.thread space =_=
↑Dwlee99 wrote:Lol. Can we go back.to talking about how tpp claimed that claiming would out prs but later said he had no info on prs?
↑Dwlee99 wrote:OGRE THEY CONTRADICTED THEIR CLAIMS PLEASE
↑Dwlee99 wrote:On a serious, saying info about your role is claiming on a smaller level. Stop trying to argue semantics and answer how tf your contradicton makes sense
↑Dwlee99 wrote:Ok so:
Claiming woukd out prs
I have no info on prs
I have info from my role
sjntbfbnfj
that's what i wanted to hear. sorry, dreams are weird, and usually someone's alignment is the exact opposite of what I dream so if i dream they flip scum then they're always town (but of course i don't use that to clear them while i'm playing the game), but what is the "exact opposite" of benign third party?
↑itlepip wrote:My point was that before someone says the obvious "OMG DON"T PUT YOURSELF IN YOUR AUTO CIRCLE!!" is not relevant.
meh, everyone has themselves in their own circle. i kind of roll my eyes when i see someone claiming to townread themselves but anyway carry on.
↑itlepip wrote:TPP what was your intention with that soft?
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to believe that tictac is town since the start of day 2. It's just the first soft that anybody paid any attention to. I can't answer your question more fully without outing a bunch of PRs for no reason; sorry. If anybody I believed to be town were in danger of being lynched I'd explain enough to prevent that from happening but as it is all you really need to know is that I have a townread on tictac that will be explained sooner or later. Possibly sooner not until my hydra partner is less busy.
↑The Pied Piper wrote:I do not have a role that "lets me know other power roles".
↑Dwlee99 wrote:oh yea.
So you say your claim wiuld out prs becauss you can tell who prs are (such as a vigilante) and yet that makes no sense because your claim wouldnt out that
p-edit: Why did you do my work for me? Posting this anyway because damnit, I did the work anyway.
it wasnt the same thing over and over again. There are different points.
(Softed an inno, admitted to it being an inno, the info on pr things)
4324. You don't have to admit it, but the logic you used to hold all that together was indeed myopic.
Frankly, I trust Cakez and itlepip for being willing to pressure me. Like, my posting has been incredibly inconsistent, and I feel like I've been easy mislynch bait, but I'm starting to think that scum intends on using that to their advantage in the late game since a weird number of players are treating me like obvtown when frankly, I don't think I am. FS wants to vote me because I'm pushing them, and they know they should be able to counterwagon me, but they refuse to because they know I'm more useful to scum in the late game, so instead they call me godtown so that I survive to the late game.
I think itlepip is probably right. I'd be dangerous to bring to the late game. That doesn't mean I want people to lynch me or anything, I'm just saying I like that itlepip and Cakez seem willing to do it, when people I read as scum seem unwilling.
↑podoboq wrote:Frankly, I trust Cakez and itlepip for being willing to pressure me. Like, my posting has been incredibly inconsistent, and I feel like I've been easy mislynch bait, but I'm starting to think that scum intends on using that to their advantage in the late game since a weird number of players are treating me like obvtown when frankly, I don't think I am. FS wants to vote me because I'm pushing them, and they know they should be able to counterwagon me, but they refuse to because they know I'm more useful to scum in the late game, so instead they call me godtown so that I survive to the late game.
I think itlepip is probably right. I'd be dangerous to bring to the late game. That doesn't mean I want people to lynch me or anything, I'm just saying I like that itlepip and Cakez seem willing to do it, when people I read as scum seem unwilling.
You *do* give off town vibes, but there is NO objective reason to think you're town.
Wanna know what is nearsighted? Softing an inno, admitting.to it being an inno soft, saying you would out tprs with a claim and then saying you dont know tprs from your role.
↑Dwlee99 wrote:Wanna know what is nearsighted? Softing an inno, admitting.to it being an inno soft, saying you would out tprs with a claim and then saying you dont know tprs from your role.
Eh. No. There's nothing narrow-minded about any of that(which, btw, is the way I was using myopic). It's contradictory if taken without context yes. What IS narrow-minded is not considering whether or not there are any possible explanations for the situation that make sense if they are town, rather than scum.
↑Dwlee99 wrote:I DID think about the situations, that is why I pushed it and what you arent getting. Didnt you see my post listing possible roles?
Yes, I saw that. What you DIDN'T consider was that it's possible to gain said information at a degree of certainty which is acceptable to some people(not me, but some people don't mind being wrong about important things) without utilizing a power role.
↑Dwlee99 wrote:I am sorry that when someone claims to "know" things about prs and ADMITS TO CLAIMING AN INNO I think it has to do with a PR.
Actually, now that I think about it...seriously, when you listed all those prs and realized their information couldn't have come from any standard PR alone, why the hell did you assume they were scum? There are plenty of other explanations. There are neighborizers, amd people who can send messages, and roles that investigate but deliver the results to other slots.....i don't know how much experience with nacho and plot you have, but what you were accusing them of is INCREDIBLY sloppy scum play, and neither of them are that sloppy. Even if you DON'T know plot, all you need to do is look at their posts and you will see great attention to detail.
So, yeah. Why did you jump to the scum assumption?
I more or less believe Nacho's response, at least in regards to the joat/neiborizer bit. I think that they handled the whole thing super friggin awkwardly but I do believe it.
I do however still have problems with the "exaggeration" over how many PR's were on the line. Not only that, but there wasn't much reason to out Cakez just now, as it's more of a matter that they think he's the vig rather then they know. Pretty much everyone and their dog was calling for a hit on snarky so I dunno.
The exaggeration was in essence a lie. A lie told to the rest of town for what benefit precisely? I'm not sure what that wizard stuff is about or how they thought it would help town, because I don't really see how it would. Just like I don't get why you would out Cakez just now when you could have just as easily defused Dwlee's argument without doing that.
I don't believe in lynch all liars, as it's stupid and inflexible in general. I do however believe that any lying being done to other members of the town does have to be for some kind of tangible benefit. If you can't trust the word of other townies the game become exponentially more difficult for town.
I'm not seeing a benefit in saying you had to out multiple PR's to explain your read on Tictac, would you care to explain it to me.
Also pushing Dwlee for this is dumb. He noticed a clear discrepancy in the information Piper was providing and pushed it. Saying he should have made an intuitive leap and known that Piper wasn't saying their information came from their role is stupid. It's so much easier to say it was obvious in hindsight and everyone who's saying he should have noticed it is being scummy as hell, if it's so obvious why weren't any of you saying anything about it over the last couple days.
I also believe the bit about Tictac soaking the Vig shot, as that was something I was wondering about. I couldn't see a reason for the vig to not shoot last night.
You know, by my reckoning Tictac should have used their investigation night two. I don't recall Tictac or Flubber ever saying they had used one. Did I miss this?
Because I haven't been paying attention? I read the top of whatever the page was I posted on the other dsy, down to my post, and noticed a call for TPP to claim stuff, and thought it was stupid and said so..I didn't see the REASON why people were calling for it until I fully caught up this evening.
Seriously though, noticing the discrepancy that isn't actually there because you aren't considering enough options is, indeed, myopic.
On the basis of TPPs posts since dwlee has joined the game, Mirhawk, do you honestly believe it is reasonable to assume thale individual making those posts would make such a sloppy mistake? To what benefit? They weren't even being pressured, and that stuff wasn't related to their FS read at all.
It doesn't make sense. Could seriously just be bad town though, now that I realized exactly how little sense it makes. Disinclined to believe scum put themselves on the line for a push like that.
