A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Axelrod]

I'm tired and this possibly isn't the greatest idea, but I'm done with this dumbshit distraction.

Cakez is the vig; he crumbed shooting Snarky and then Snarky died. We thought he might be SK based on how blatant it was, pushed him, decided it wasn't the case.
Flubber is a JOAT with a Neighborize + Bulletproof + Investigative; Tictac used the neighborize on Plot N1, which Plot liked because Plot was his IC and they didn't think that a newbie scum would be willing to get a neighborhood with their IC. I thought that Tictac's reaction to Plot's more incoherent posting seemed ridiculously town; they mentioned that they were pretty paranoid of us before but thought that Plot seemed really vulnerable and that seemed really town to them + there was just a bunch of shit in that neighborhood I don't feel like elaborating on now.
When we crumbed the inno on Tictac, it was in response to Cakez probably shooting Tictac; we felt that he was very likely town based on neighborhood posting and knew that his kill failing was probably going to make him think that Tictac was 100% scum and we wanted to warn him off that before it happened.

The reason I said that this had nothing to do with our claim is because look, we still haven't claimed, and we've explained the PR thing! Plot overplayed it a bit because they were trying to emulate the Jingle wizard stuff from Original Mafia; Plot has other roles figured out (they knew Ogre was a not-significant investigative role earlier), but I really don't think outing any of that crap is relevant unless you believe we just haven't given enough or something stupid like that.

So, after all the hinting, does this boil down to: "We think TicTac/Flubber is Town b/c they neighborized us on N1 and they sound very Townie

in the neighborhood

?" b/c there's nothing about the role (as claimed) that makes it Town, and Tic's posting in this game thread is pretty medium. Also, if you were scum with a Neighborize, how would you use it? Don't you hit up someone in the Town you think you can get on their good side of? I'm not sure about your logic of "they wouldn't pick me if they were scum b/c they would be afraid I would see through them." And TicTac made himself bulletproof on N2 and no one died so maybe the vig. took a shot at him? Which is possible, but also doesn't say anything about TicTac's alignment. The fact they still have an investigate in their pocket also seems somewhat convenient. That would have been the first thing I shot off if I had those abilities.

I will also echo the sentiment that nothing I've seen shows that Cakez is a vig. Frankly, I would actually like to know that if it's true since he's right there in my pool of people I could lunch.

Also, I'm sort of with Dwlee (14???) in as much as that this also says nothing about PP's alignment. It at most suggests that he and Flubber would not be scum together. And I think PP over-hinted the way he said that Tic was Town.

FS is now doing the same thing he did on D1 which is viciously attacking anyone who votes for him, and/or showing willingness to wagon anyone who isn't him, which is not improving my opinion of him. Can I ask you to lay off the language also? It's super unpleasant to read.

[Cerberus v666]

Mirhawk: I wasn't here, so yes, obviously I can't prove that Dwlee's thought process was terrible without the benefit of hindsight.

The fact that I can't prove that it was terrible, doesn't mean it wasn't. It was what it was, regardless of what I am capable of proving. And yes, you are correct, the only important thing is whether or not he sincerely believed it, which is why I backed off in the post you're talking about, and noted that it may have simply been bad town play, rather than scum.

snip

I wanted itlepip to vote too, and then I'd vote as well, and we'd have a wagon to rival TPPs, instead of a couple vanity votes.

??

He's referring to my first post about you, the one where I specifically said I'd like to lynch you, but I didn't think there was enough support. Podo then voted on that wagon, and I responded to some questions, and in the course of those answers I began to consider that perhaps you were simply terrible town (you've been downgraded from bad for the purposes of alliteration) rather than scum

[SirCakez]

I'm not the vig

[Flubbernugget]

Oh yes let's push TPP for pages and now and rage at the fact they info dumped which is what people were asking them to do anyways.


=.=

I thought I was the only one that saw this

Itlepip and cerb just got a lot scummier

[Flubbernugget]

I thought they were competent enough players to not blindly dumb information because Dwlee of all people was calling them scum. This makes my life so much more difficult than it has to be. 1 + though, Flubber should probably out his invest result.

Podo you are 100% alone in that. Please never out who the vig is thankyouverymuchthen.

There's a push from someone other than dwlee not even three posts above the claim

Stop pushing an agenda

[Rob14]

Vote Count #3.7:

Friendless Seniors:

The Pied Piper, pistachi0n, Marquis, Flubbernugget, itlepip, True Ogre, podoboq (7)

The Pied Piper:

dramonic, Mirhawk (2)

podoboq:

SirCakez (1)

Dwlee99:

Malakittens (1)

Cerberus v666:

Friendless Seniors (1)

Not Voting:

Axelrod, Cerberus v666, davesaz, Dwlee99

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-05-08 10:15:00)

[Flubbernugget]

Because TPP's claim was cleary bs and I knew it. I made good points about why it was bs and no one listened.

There never was a claim and there weren't any holes in it. You were pushing for a fullclaim of someone you thought was scum for softing. That's just kinda lazy tbh. Like if you are town here then you just decided to shut your brain off and just only look at this one thing that happened in a 4000 post game. You didn't look at interactions with sky, or weird posts or anything like that. You just kinda pushed 1 tiny thing that if you were wrong about just outs a shitload of town PR for no gain.

The best way to do this honestly is to push TPP for stuff that doesn't involve outing a shit ton of PRs.

Like you have to learn that there are times when lynching obv scum isn't the best, and I don't think you even considered it. I still believe that Mirhawk has the highest chance of being scum, but I don't think that me trying to strongarm that lynch is super important nor am I worried about Mirhawk seriously pulling the wool over town's eyes.

You're yelling at dwlee for making a pr claim after yelling at the pr that dwlee didn't push hard enough to make him claim

[Flubbernugget]

Frankly, I trust Cakez and itlepip for being willing to pressure me. Like, my posting has been incredibly inconsistent, and I feel like I've been easy mislynch bait, but I'm starting to think that scum intends on using that to their advantage in the late game since a weird number of players are treating me like obvtown when frankly, I don't think I am. FS wants to vote me because I'm pushing them, and they know they should be able to counterwagon me, but they refuse to because they know I'm more useful to scum in the late game, so instead they call me godtown so that I survive to the late game.

I think itlepip is probably right. I'd be dangerous to bring to the late game. That doesn't mean I want people to lynch me or anything, I'm just saying I like that itlepip and Cakez seem willing to do it, when people I read as scum seem unwilling.

Scum make these kinds of posts

[Flubbernugget]

Marquis, I'm town.

You don't want all those cleared town alive tomorrow. I can actually do good this game.

Don't let me die when you're likely to tonight.

Lets lynch cerb or someone like that, and I'll settle down on the TPP thing until we're absolutely sure I'm right.

Suddenly I'm reminded of your avi

[Flubbernugget]

^^that's the last post I've read

[Dwlee99]

Occam's Razor: TPP is scum
Other possibility: TPP fakeclaimed an inno on someone (which he admitted to) in order to stop the vigilante from killing a town read of his that he is super confident in because of a neighborizor tictac had that he used on tpp where, also they had info on prs because they are good at picking up info on prs

At this point, I...think that if anyone had certain information that TPP's claims were false, they would have called BS and voted TPP already.

I'm tired and this possibly isn't the greatest idea, but I'm done with this dumbshit distraction.

Cakez is the vig; he crumbed shooting Snarky and then Snarky died. We thought he might be SK based on how blatant it was, pushed him, decided it wasn't the case.
Flubber is a JOAT with a Neighborize + Bulletproof + Investigative; Tictac used the neighborize on Plot N1, which Plot liked because Plot was his IC and they didn't think that a newbie scum would be willing to get a neighborhood with their IC. I thought that Tictac's reaction to Plot's more incoherent posting seemed ridiculously town; they mentioned that they were pretty paranoid of us before but thought that Plot seemed really vulnerable and that seemed really town to them + there was just a bunch of shit in that neighborhood I don't feel like elaborating on now.
When we crumbed the inno on Tictac, it was in response to Cakez probably shooting Tictac; we felt that he was very likely town based on neighborhood posting and knew that his kill failing was probably going to make him think that Tictac was 100% scum and we wanted to warn him off that before it happened.

The reason I said that this had nothing to do with our claim is because look, we still haven't claimed, and we've explained the PR thing! Plot overplayed it a bit because they were trying to emulate the Jingle wizard stuff from Original Mafia; Plot has other roles figured out (they knew Ogre was a not-significant investigative role earlier), but I really don't think outing any of that crap is relevant unless you believe we just haven't given enough or something stupid like that.

So, after all the hinting, does this boil down to: "We think TicTac/Flubber is Town b/c they neighborized us on N1 and they sound very Townie

in the neighborhood

?" b/c there's nothing about the role (as claimed) that makes it Town, and Tic's posting in this game thread is pretty medium. Also, if you were scum with a Neighborize, how would you use it? Don't you hit up someone in the Town you think you can get on their good side of? I'm not sure about your logic of "they wouldn't pick me if they were scum b/c they would be afraid I would see through them." And TicTac made himself bulletproof on N2 and no one died so maybe the vig. took a shot at him? Which is possible, but also doesn't say anything about TicTac's alignment. The fact they still have an investigate in their pocket also seems somewhat convenient. That would have been the first thing I shot off if I had those abilities.

I like you

[Friendless Seniors]

FS is now doing the same thing he did on D1 which is viciously attacking anyone who votes for him, and/or showing willingness to wagon anyone who isn't him, which is not improving my opinion of him. Can I ask you to lay off the language also? It's super unpleasant to read.

We are literally voting cerb who is townreading us. This is bullshit. I don't care how unpleasant it is, you're clearly lying about reading. Cerb is TOWNREADING us. Whole reason I chose him. He's the scum not on my wagon

[dramonic]

Occam's Razor: [...] Plot are not sloppy scum players

This game is evidence of the contrary.

[dramonic]

Hippy, get your angry head out of your ass and vote actual scum, kthx.

[Friendless Seniors]

You don't think cerb is their buddy?

[Friendless Seniors]

I just don't know what else I can say. Like, I'm getting lynched because somehow them writing long posts has this town bowing to their feet

[Friendless Seniors]

So I'm kinda forced into looking for a buddy so I don't get the shitty rhetoric of "he's just omgusing"

[dramonic]

We're gonna lose the game anyways, this town is entirely composed of people who want to sit on their dick.
Except Dwlee cuz that concept hasn't crossed his mind yet.
But you could AT LEAST do the right thing and vote them.

[Friendless Seniors]

VOTE: tpp[/]

Kay. Sigh.

[Friendless Seniors]

VOTE: tpp

[podoboq]

We're gonna lose the game anyways, this town is entirely composed of people who want to sit on their dick.
Except Dwlee cuz that concept hasn't crossed his mind yet.
But you could AT LEAST do the right thing and vote them.

Could you remind me again who your scumreads are? Cerb, me, and Axel, right? Can you remind me what your case is on any of us? You've had an extra while to make that case since I asked you almost a month ago.

[itlepip]

Yeah Flub wtf is my agenda

[dramonic]

I never called Cerb scum. Considering my ISO is almost entirely one-liners I'm sure you could be half-assed to go through it and find out by yourself. And my case has generally been "I've been reading the game, they're obvscum, you guys are idiots".
How is this news to you?
Podo-Axel-TPP-[dav but theres an inno on him for now] is what I've been saying.

[podoboq]

I never called Cerb scum. Considering my ISO is almost entirely one-liners I'm sure you could be half-assed to go through it and find out by yourself. And my case has generally been "I've been reading the game, they're obvscum, you guys are idiots".
How is this news to you?
Podo-Axel-TPP-[dav but theres an inno on him for now] is what I've been saying.

Ah, dav, that's right. He's the one I forgot.

There's still no case. If we're obvscum, I'm sure you could be half-assed enough to make a case on at least one of us.

[dramonic]

We're gonna lose the game anyways, this town is entirely composed of people who want to sit on their dick.

^
There's my case for not making a case.

@Flubber

: Confirm/Deny that you are neighbor with TPP?