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[TellTaleHeart]

No

[lilith2013]

Which reads do you disagree with the most?

Snarky, Kuroi, and Soren

I also disagree with your basic methodology of "predict what scum 'would' do and then scumhunt based on that." I think the chances of anyone being able to precisely predict what scum would do in any given game is slim to none.

What was the point in keeping your scum read on Joe to yourself?

The benefit of watching him to see what he would do unpressured.

I understand why you disagree with the read on Snarky. Why Kuroi (is it still the scum theater thing?) and why Soren?

[lilith2013]

In post 121, Xkfyu wrote:
Reads list:

Town:
Lilith
Snarky
lane
Kuroi

Null:
Clumsy
TTH

Scum:
Javajoe (but not with Soren)
Soren (but not with Javajoe)


Those are in no particular order, and mostly based on gut, right now. So, come on, let's do this.


VOTE: Xkfyu
Few things I want explained here. Why is Lillith town? Why is -Snowman- town? And lastly, do you also believe that the Lane/Kuroi is TvT? Why?

Lilith is a straight up gut read.

Snarky only made 3 posts when he came into the thread, but he didn't vote anyone, even though he was the only person without a vote in place. That doesn't sound like "scum trying to stay under the radar "to me.

And I think the Lane vs Kuroi thing is TvT because early D1 arguments like that usually are, since scum don't usually want to bring undue attention on themselves. Especially not so early.

I... disagree with the non-voting thing. I don't see how that's alignment indicative, and in fact I'd lean more towards scum based on something like that than town, because scum don't want to draw attention to themselves (that part is true) and the easiest way to draw attention is to join a wagon for BS reasons.

However, I like that Snarky called you out on your readslist.

[TellTaleHeart]

I understand why you disagree with the read on Snarky. Why Kuroi (is it still the scum theater thing?) and why Soren?

I'm still uncertain on Kuroi and Soren. Kuroi hasn't done anything that's stood out as town to me and I don't really think the things Xkfyu pointed out about Soren are as scummy as he made them out to be.

[Xkfyu]

No

I completely disagree.

[Xkfyu]

In post 121, Xkfyu wrote:
Reads list:

Town:
Lilith
Snarky
lane
Kuroi

Null:
Clumsy
TTH

Scum:
Javajoe (but not with Soren)
Soren (but not with Javajoe)


Those are in no particular order, and mostly based on gut, right now. So, come on, let's do this.


VOTE: Xkfyu
Few things I want explained here. Why is Lillith town? Why is -Snowman- town? And lastly, do you also believe that the Lane/Kuroi is TvT? Why?

Lilith is a straight up gut read.

Snarky only made 3 posts when he came into the thread, but he didn't vote anyone, even though he was the only person without a vote in place. That doesn't sound like "scum trying to stay under the radar "to me.

And I think the Lane vs Kuroi thing is TvT because early D1 arguments like that usually are, since scum don't usually want to bring undue attention on themselves. Especially not so early.

I... disagree with the non-voting thing. I don't see how that's alignment indicative, and in fact I'd lean more towards scum based on something like that than town, because scum don't want to draw attention to themselves (that part is true) and the easiest way to draw attention is to join a wagon for BS reasons.

However, I like that Snarky called you out on your readslist.

Snarky calling me out on my reads list is certainly another point in his favor, but I stand by the not-voting thing. He missed RVS, so he could have put a vote on anyone without any suspicion whatsoever when he posted. If he wasn't the only one who hadn't voted at the time, it would be different. But continuing to be the only person to not vote for someone is effectively singling himself out.

Anyways, I think you (and others) may be misinterpreting the strength of my reads. It's still really early, and I wouldn't classify any of them as any stronger than leans. I figured that that would go without saying, though, given how early in the day it was.

[Xkfyu]

I could care less about your strikes lane. If you think in scummy then do like TTH did and vote me. Right now my scummiest read is XK for reasons listed in my last post.

Haha, touche. But I'm not giving him strikes...

First you say that I'm your biggest scum read, but then (2 posts later), you make an excuse not to vote me, keeping your RVS vote where it is. So are you actually scum reading me or not?

UNVOTE: Soren

VOTE: Javajoe24

[Xkfyu]

Lilith, what are your reads looking like right now?

[Xkfyu]

In post 29, lane0168 wrote:
In post 26, KuroiXHF wrote:
More because of his interest in sheeping.

If you're here to be a mindless zombie, this isn't the game for you. Plus, it's anti-town. I mean, this is day one and I'm sure it will change, but I already don't like his posting.


I'll be a mindless zombie if I want and I don't appreciate you discriminating. You bigot. Everyone has a right to play the game how they want to. You're not the boss here. You need more love and acceptance in your heart.

In post 33, lane0168 wrote:
Omgus? You just claimed a character from the marvel universe. Considering this is a DC UNIVERSE GAME. I'm going to call you a total liar

In post 35, lane0168 wrote:
Overreacting to sometime lying about their role? And getting pussy? Now you're just flinging shit and trying to make it stick. Good for you if it does


This all felt over the top for this early in day 1. Originally I felt like this was TvS, but the suggestion of Scum Theater is looking applicable too. Lane, Kuroi, do you guys have a history of getting under the other's skin? Where did this come from so suddenly? I can understand a little frustration, but this seems over the top for me.

If you had to choose one of them to be scum, which one would it be?

[Xkfyu]

I also disagree with your basic methodology of "predict what scum 'would' do and then scumhunt based on that." I think the chances of anyone being able to precisely predict what scum would do in any given game is slim to none.

If you really believe that, then why didn't you call Soren out for doing almost the exact same thing here:

KuroiXHF seems to be employing some kind of strategy to get a reaction out of lane and pushing him. Kuroi, have you done enough pushing and are you confident with your scum read on lane?

I don't really like what Clumsy has been posting. He's been posting mostly commentary to things and hasn't formed a solid independent thought where he has followed up on it. I see this to be coming from scum because there is a tendency for scum to find it hard to find a footing into a game.

I think that Clumsy's play is a possible instance of this and so I scum read him for that.

VOTE: Clumsy

[TellTaleHeart]

He didn't do the exact same thing or even close to the same thing.

[TellTaleHeart]

Honestly, I'm not looking to talk about theory with you and I'll go ahead and warn you that I'm probably not going to answer questions of that nature.

[Xkfyu]

Honestly, I'm not looking to talk about theory with you and I'll go ahead and warn you that I'm probably not going to answer questions of that nature.

Ok why's that?

[TellTaleHeart]

Because I think you have flawed methods and I really don't see this discussion going anywhere that doesn't end up with you being butthurt and me feeling like I'm wasting my time.

[Xkfyu]

Because I think you have flawed methods and I really don't see this discussion going anywhere that doesn't end up with you being butthurt and me feeling like I'm wasting my time.

Well, that's very considerate of you to not want to make me feel butthurt.

[SnarkySnowman]

I'm content with my xkfyu vote and think his explanation of why I was a townread is bogus.

[Xkfyu]

I'm content with my xkfyu vote and think his explanation of why I was a townread is bogus.

Yeah, I'm basically used to this by now.

[TellTaleHeart]

Because I think you have flawed methods and I really don't see this discussion going anywhere that doesn't end up with you being butthurt and me feeling like I'm wasting my time.

Well, that's very considerate of you to not want to make me feel butthurt.

You haven't really caught me in an expository mood. Right now, I'm a lot more likely to come off as an off-putting bitch if I haven't already (and I probably have).

I might try my hand at it tonight?

[Xkfyu]

Because I think you have flawed methods and I really don't see this discussion going anywhere that doesn't end up with you being butthurt and me feeling like I'm wasting my time.

Well, that's very considerate of you to not want to make me feel butthurt.

You haven't really caught me in an expository mood. Right now, I'm a lot more likely to come off as an off-putting bitch if I haven't already (and I probably have).

I might try my hand at it tonight?

You do realize that I was being sarcastic, right? It isn't really possible for me to get offended, or butthurt, in a Mafia game...no matter how off-putting you may be lol.

[Soren]

In post 115, Xkfyu wrote:
UNVOTE: Soren
VOTE: lane0168
Sheeping Kuroi.
You seem very unmotivated in this game, why?
What about kuroi do you agree with?

Not a thing. I don't think I've actually agreed with a single thing he's said so far.

So why did you sheep him then?

At least one of the two who have called me out so quickly for my play (Soren and Javajoe) are probably scum.

How is calling out on your play indicative of me being scum?

I like Soren for scum the most. His 100, where he voted Clumsy reads as scum trying to be careful with an early scum read on town.

Not being careful, he's my first legitimate scum read.

Fuck it, I'll out the secret scumread.

VOTE: Javajoe

Could you explain this?

Fuck it, I'll out the secret scumread.

VOTE: Javajoe

Why?

There's really no grand case. It's a ~gut feel~ off of Post 82, which rubbed me the wrong way because I think it's a question that has little value but was thrown out there for the sake of appearing to "scumhunt." I will also say that the swing at xkfyu in Post 116 doesn't give me the warm fuzzies either. (This was after the initial read formed.)

I wish this game was moving quickly enough where I didn't need to out it quite yet, but it is what it is.

Your reasons for javajoe is evident in clumsy's play too. Would you agree?

He didn't do the exact same thing or even close to the same thing.

Actually I would say that I did do the same thing. I considered how scum would play in a theoretical standpoint, witnessed such play in the game and scum read him for it.
How would you describe what I did?

---

Clumsy goes back into the game without respond to my vote on him and makes the same kind of post.
136 and 137 are just questions and doesn't tell me much about how he thinks about the game. He did vote for Xkfyu but that doesn't change my thoughts on clumsy. I'm sticking with my vote.

[TellTaleHeart]

OK fine then. I think your approach sucks too.

Lilith you want to be next? Forget it.

Everyone

get in a single file line so I can tell you I think you're awful.

[Xkfyu]

In post 119, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 117, Soren wrote:
In post 115, Xkfyu wrote:
UNVOTE: Soren
VOTE: lane0168
Sheeping Kuroi.
You seem very unmotivated in this game, why?
What about kuroi do you agree with?

Not a thing. I don't think I've actually agreed with a single thing he's said so far.
So why did you sheep him then?

Post 146

In post 119, Xkfyu wrote:
At least one of the two who have called me out so quickly for my play (Soren and Javajoe) are probably scum.
How is calling out on your play indicative of me being scum?

Because it's a very easy, and safe, thing for scum to call someone out for.

I don't think you're both scum, though. Just one of you.

In post 160, TellTaleHeart wrote:
He didn't do the exact same thing or even close to the same thing.
Actually I would say that I did do the same thing. I considered how scum would play in a theoretical standpoint, witnessed such play in the game and scum read him for it.
How would you describe what I did?

This self-deprecation is actually making me lean more town on you, though.

[Xkfyu]

OK fine then. I think your approach sucks too.

Lilith you want to be next? Forget it.

Everyone

get in a single file line so I can tell you I think you're awful.

Lol can I get another turn, or do I have to get in the back of the line?

[Xkfyu]

Snarky, if I'm scum and you're town, why would I even bother stating a town read on you when I could easily just say that you're a null read since you haven't posted anything significant yet?

[lane0168]

Haha let me see if I can find that tth line...

Honestly I think scum would post like Javajoe24 has, scum would ask people for their reads while not giving their own to get a feel of where they should hop on later.

Scum wouldn't put snarky in their reads list like Xkfyu has done, because that just garners attention. I think his explanations of how actions quite a bit.

Not sure what I think scum would do if scum was snarky. He's null for me.

VOTE: javajoe

Yes I know you have a read thing but never voted. Weird. Scum would do that