A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Mirhawk]

I tried, Mirhawk.

Try harder?

I seem to remember that you had some sort of worked out case on Cerb, I don't remember what exactly it was but I think it had something to do with... his attitude? Or maybe opportunism? I can't really remember.

Your stances on both Dramonic and Dwlee are a mystery to me though. I'm sure you've mentioned them at lest in passing, but not enough for me to even remember you dong so.

You spent a lot of time and effort pushing Seniors, I'm not seeing the same effort here. I mean I think I have a decent memory, but I still can't remember why they're your strongest scumreds.

[Mirhawk]

Yeah thats fine. I was just catching up.

[Mirhawk]

What are we actually argueing about?

My position is that you were indirectly pushing my wagon when you shouldn't have been.

Yours is that you were the driving factor in Seniors being lynched.

I don't actually see these as being incompatible. They could both have easily been happening at the same time.

Not to mention I don't feel like rereading the whole thing to make my recollection more accurate, so yeah you're poking holes in some of my statements. But why are these holes even important? They don't really have much of anything to do with our actual argument.

[Mirhawk]

Which is apparently that your opinion cannot coexist with mine.

[Mirhawk]

It's concerning to me that everyone who I am more suspicious of than confident in (podo, itlepip, and cakez) are also on the Mirhawk wagon..I still don't like mirhawk though. This is a terrible quqndary I find myself in..

I recommend switching to Cakez asap.

[Mirhawk]

I am coasting yes. At deadline yesterday FS (a townread) was getting lynched and I wasn't here so ???

I was talking about me. You didn't seem to care much that I was going to be lynched, which surprises me seeing as how you've been calling me scum all game. You were really enthusiastic.. for about two seconds, then you started ignoring the wagon.

You then unvoted me near the deadline for ~reasons~ but that doesn't seem to have effected your stance on me in any way, you still think I'm scum.

You switched form one wagon you thought was scum near the deadline when it could have gone through, for another one that had a far lesser chance of success.

[itlepip]

Why are you sus of me?

Haven't tried to lynch me yet, in spite of being an easier target than ever before due to my lack of engagement. Quick apparent acceptance of my slot as town. That could be chalked up to you only ever seeing me play as town, so you feel you have a good grasp on what to expect from my posts tonally/I'm matching those expectations,but given the fact that there ARE clear differences between my play here and my play in other games with you, in terms of productivity and engagement at least, I would expect a much higher degree of suspicion on your part.

I'VE EXPLAINED THIS. First even if I had concerns about your slot I wouldn't mention them until Mir got lynched because that slot needs death.

Second you've had obvtown posts. Which I've gone over before.

[The Pied Piper]

What are we actually argueing about?

My position is that you were indirectly pushing my wagon when you shouldn't have been.

Yours is that you were the driving factor in Seniors being lynched.

The reason that you said you found me pushing you indirectly was scummy was because you thought I still wanted to get you lynched and that behavior didn't make sense around someone I was town reading, correct?

My response to that is that I didn't just stand back and let you die and was the reason why Seniors got lynched over you.

These two things are incompatible in my mind, do you disagree or am I misrepresenting part of your argument?

[Mirhawk]

Cakes 5690 and 5691 are pretty much entirely scumposts.

The only non-scummy parts are probably the very last statement made to Cerb, and the very first one made to Dram.

[Dwlee99]

when are we lynching tpp?

[Mirhawk]

Show me a person who got off my wagon specifically because you told them to and maybe I'll give that more credit.

But I think you're really trying hard here to claim credit for something that you didn't do, but rather was dictated by circumstance.

[Cerberus v666]

Why are you sus of me?

Haven't tried to lynch me yet, in spite of being an easier target than ever before due to my lack of engagement. Quick apparent acceptance of my slot as town. That could be chalked up to you only ever seeing me play as town, so you feel you have a good grasp on what to expect from my posts tonally/I'm matching those expectations,but given the fact that there ARE clear differences between my play here and my play in other games with you, in terms of productivity and engagement at least, I would expect a much higher degree of suspicion on your part.

I'VE EXPLAINED THIS. First even if I had concerns about your slot I wouldn't mention them until Mir got lynched because that slot needs death.

Second you've had obvtown posts. Which I've gone over before.

Ya, I know. I'm still sus though man. The PoE pool outside of my stronger townreads is small.

[Mirhawk]

when are we lynching tpp?

Never.

They can apparently obvscum all day long without any sort of penalty.

Despite repeatedly asking the town for more input on this wagon from people not on the wagon most of them just want to sit with their thumbs up their butts instead.

[SirCakez]

It's concerning to me that everyone who I am more suspicious of than confident in (podo, itlepip, and cakez) are also on the Mirhawk wagon..I still don't like mirhawk though. This is a terrible quqndary I find myself in..

I recommend switching to Cakez asap.

I am coasting yes. At deadline yesterday FS (a townread) was getting lynched and I wasn't here so ???

I was talking about me. You didn't seem to care much that I was going to be lynched, which surprises me seeing as how you've been calling me scum all game. You were really enthusiastic.. for about two seconds, then you started ignoring the wagon.

You then unvoted me near the deadline for ~reasons~ but that doesn't seem to have effected your stance on me in any way, you still think I'm scum.

You switched form one wagon you thought was scum near the deadline when it could have gone through, for another one that had a far lesser chance of success.

Why should I make a big fuss that my top scumread is being wagoned? That's good, not bad.
I unvoted you to vote Axel who is now flipped scum, this should be a towntell but you're framing it like a scumtell.

Cakes 5690 and 5691 are pretty much entirely scumposts.

The only non-scummy parts are probably the very last statement made to Cerb, and the very first one made to Dram.

[The Pied Piper]

Show me a person who got off my wagon specifically because you told them to and maybe I'll give that more credit.

First of all: your wagon didn't fall apart because people got off it, your wagon fell apart because the FS wagon rose above it and overwhelmed it. Do you disagree with this statement?

[Mirhawk]

Why should I make a big fuss that my top scumread is being wagoned? That's good, not bad.
I unvoted you to vote Axel who is now flipped scum, this should be a towntell but you're framing it like a scumtell.

Axel, who was never likely to actually be lynched last night. Colour me impressed. I might actually think this was townish if he had ever been in any real danger.

I'm not expecting you to make a big fuss. I'm expecting you to actually try to push your wagon in a way that doesn't involve unvoting and pushing someone else who was WAY less likely to be lynched.

[Mirhawk]

Show me a person who got off my wagon specifically because you told them to and maybe I'll give that more credit.

First of all: your wagon didn't fall apart because people got off it, your wagon fell apart because the FS wagon rose above it and overwhelmed it. Do you disagree with this statement?

Sure why not.

Was there no overlap in votes?

[The Pied Piper]

And am again reiterating the fact that Ogre and Davesaz were the only two to leave your wagon within the last 30 pages before deadline; Ogre unvoted and revoted and unvoted within a short span of time, and davesaz only left your wagon because he said he would join the biggest wagon near deadline and FS had become the biggest wagon near deadline at that point.

[SirCakez]

*pushes wagon wildly*

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: mirhawk
let's just do this, my read really depend on the flip

[Mirhawk]

And am again reiterating the fact that Ogre and Davesaz were the only two to leave your wagon within the last 30 pages before deadline; Ogre unvoted and revoted and unvoted within a short span of time, and davesaz only left your wagon because he said he would join the biggest wagon near deadline and FS had become the biggest wagon near deadline at that point.

And which of those are you directly responsible for?

This is also, once again, straying off the core of the argument.

Yes I think you could have been pushing two wagons simutaniusly. Because you're scum and they were both town.

[Mirhawk]

*pushes wagon wildly*

So, why do you think I'm scum again?

Oh wait, nobody knows because you haven't talked about it in the last month.

[The Pied Piper]

And which of those are you directly responsible for?

The point that I'm making is that those two unvotes from your wagon were not the reason your wagon didn't go through.

[SirCakez]

*facepalm*
Everything from the case I posted a while ago still applies + town was lynched as a counterwagon to you.

[Mirhawk]

The point that I'm making is that those two unvotes from your wagon were not the reason your wagon didn't go through.

And neither were you so stop trying to take credit for it.