Newbie 1714 (Game Over)

[Zyf]

Oh and one more thing:
Why in the world is sad scum if they've only posted once-at the beginning of the game?

[Ranger]

What is the benefit for town if you deliberately withhold the strength of your reads? It just makes it harder for us.

Guessing builds character.
No, really. It not only helps you (take guesses: how strong do you think the reads are, and why do you think the reads are as they are? You become a stronger player by doing that exercise), it helps me get a gauge

on

you.

Plus, I'll always hold responsibility for my reads, especially given this game has players who won't let me get away with just posting reads emptily, meaning eventually I'll be forced to answer for them. By giving them, yet not explaining them, it allows me to share my thoughts without immediately sharing my thoughts. This means if other people have a duplicate mindset and post about it, then they could not be deliberately mimicking me because I hadn't shared my mindset.

In short: they mostly help me, but can also help you.

2) Why was beeboy in townie for you before they even really made a meaningful analytical post? (This is at the beginning of the game?)

I'll share this when I share the rest of my reads.

[Sickofit1138]

If you must know.

Zyf: Null-town.
Rask: Null-town
Ranger: Null
DVD: Null
Sad: Null-scum.
Beeboy: Null-scum.

[sad1492]

Uh-huh. Scum reads on me because of only 1 post.
Opinion: Sick is simply sheeping Ranger, his partner. Zyf town.
Foses: not yet anyone. At least for another page
People please, scum reading ANYONE on the first page requires skill.

[Zyf]

Uh-huh. Scum reads on me because of only 1 post.
Opinion: Sick is simply sheeping Ranger, his partner. Zyf town.
Foses: not yet anyone. At least for another page
People please, scum reading ANYONE on the first page requires skill.

I have to agree–reading sad as scum with one post is a little discomforting.
F-oh-ex, ayale, and dvds all have yet to make meaningful posts, so while I have a suspicion that one poster among us is scum, I hesitate to make pushes for 2 players being scum.
For now:
Null-Town: Rask-although not by much, they do seem to be posting in the interest of the town, and do not appear to have any biases whatsoever.
Null: the postless ones-obvious; sad-they haven't posted much, just a post in their defense. However their logic is something I do agree with and would like some explanation on.
Null-Scum: beeboy-I still don't fully trust you. The fact that ranger put you as town when you hadn't even really posted bothers me, too;
Sickofit-you've been throwing out a lot of stuff, but nothing has much written explanation attached to it (I have to prompt it from you every time). You're posting, but you're leading us nowhere with your posts. I'd like some explanations on your reads,

especially on sad.

Scum: Ranger-I'd like to trust you because you're IC, and you should be guiding the game, but in a game where putting down as much information early on as possible is valuable for an RVS lynch, I don't like you making us do the explaining first. Also, you seem to have some biases where they shouldn't be. I would like an

explanation for your reads on sad and beeboy, in that order.

Since we can request prod later on today anyway, the vote on the lurker is less valuable than getting my answers from Ranger.
UNVOTE: F-oh-ex and VOTE: Ranger
You're L-2 now.

[Zaicon]

Vote Count 1.2

Ranger (2):

Raskolnikov, Zyf

Sickofit1138 (1):

sad1492

sad1492 (1):

Sickofit1138

Raskolnikov (1):

beeboy

No Vote (4):

AYaLE_, dvds12, F-oh-ex, Ranger

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is Wednesday, June 15, at 4:00 PM CST, which is in (expired on 2016-06-15 16:00:00).

[dvds12]

So I have been rereading the fourm and right now everyone is null for me as of the moment, since not alot of discussion has been going on and it has just been kinda chitchatting, have not been able to make out good reads on everyone yet.

[Zyf]

So I have been rereading the fourm and right now everyone is null for me as of the moment, since not alot of discussion has been going on and it has just been kinda chitchatting, have not been able to make out good reads on everyone yet.

Could you perhaps get a read on ranger?
We've been posting more than 'chitchat' and I'm wondering if I'm just being paranoid by reading them as scum.

[dvds12]

To me all of rangers posts have been more IC related than actual game stuff, so that is why to me I read her as null for now.

[Zyf]

To me all of rangers posts have been more IC related than actual game stuff, so that is why to me I read her as null for now.

Hrm.
What's making you read me as null? Afaik I've been trying to get discussion going.

[beeboy]

Where are the rest of the players at?

[Zyf]

Where are the rest of the players at?

Presumably work/school.
I'm not feeling well so I'm available all day
Altho exams start tomorrow e.e

Anyway, you have any reads? That will definitely help me out.

Btw, dvds remains null. I don't like that they have nothing to say, though.

[beeboy]

Task is still scum and you are still town.

[dvds12]

I read you as null becuase although you have made tons of posts, but nothing really stands out to me as saying you are town or scum as of yet.

Oh and also I might not be on as much as I would like to today becuase I am still in school and Im actually breaking school rules by being on this website, so if I suddenly dissapear for a long period of time, thats why

[Zyf]

Task is still scum and you are still town.

What about ranger?
And sad? Do you read them as null or do you have a good explanation as to why you think they're scum?

[beeboy]

Sad and Ranger are null because nothing they have done stands out to me.

[Zyf]

Sad and Ranger are null because nothing they have done stands out to me.

So then why do you think sad is being read as scum by /both/ ranger and sickofit?

[beeboy]

Because something stands out to them that I am clearly not seeing. (I literally only have cop out answers as these are null reads of mine)

I also want sickofit to explain his read first as I already know Ranger wouldn't commit herself to something she can't explain even as scum.

[beeboy]

If Ranger brought a really sloppy scum game then oops

[Zyf]

Because something stands out to them that I am clearly not seeing. (I literally only have cop out answers as these are null reads of mine)

I also want sickofit to explain his read first as I already know Ranger wouldn't commit herself to something she can't explain even as scum.

Yeah definitely agree on making sick explain first:
Right now it looks like ranger's scum and then sickofit is just agreeing to boost the argument, without a real argument of their own other than omgus, which at this stage could probably been changed.

Appreciating the (apparent) honesty here, so I think I'll move you back to null.

[Zyf]

@Zyf: You don't really have to unvote... Just when I began to like your vote.
[/v]Sickofit1138VOTE: Sick of it.

This right here.
This is the only post that could make sad appear scum to ranger.
Sad's only played one previous game on the forum, so I suppose it could be that they appeared to be egging me on? Imo that's more jumping to conclusions than me saying beeboy's (joking) deception and (slightly disconcerting) sarcasm were signs of a scum.

Whenever ranger gets back though, I do have one more question for her:
If you think sad is scum, why are you not only giving no explanation but on top of that not voting? That decreases the pressure and lessens the necessity to respond. It's best to get them to respond to find who mafia is by PoE, right?

[F-oh-ex]

Seeing as how the word "lurker" was already used, let me make this my first thing to say, as might come important anyway.

I'm a European and my time zone often disagrees with those of most of the players. For example, the day 1 started at 11:09 p.m. for me. It's now 6 p.m. and as soon as I got back home, I decided to check mafiascum because I knew the game would start soon. And I'm already being called a lurker. LOLed.

VOTE: sad because I was in a game with him :^)

Will get to reading later, I'm dead tired.

[Zyf]

Seeing as how the word "lurker" was already used, let me make this my first thing to say, as might come important anyway.

I'm a European and my time zone often disagrees with those of most of the players. For example, the day 1 started at 11:09 p.m. for me. It's now 6 p.m. and as soon as I got back home, I decided to check mafiascum because I knew the game would start soon. And I'm already being called a lurker. LOLed.

VOTE: sad because I was in a game with him :^)

Will get to reading later, I'm dead tired.

Yeah sorry I figured the rest were in EU timezones. It wasn't meant to necessarily criticize you for sneaky play, just to get people going.
I'll be here pretty much the whole time for the next 9-10 hours so if you wanna get a good discussion going between the two of us feel free to post.

Anywho, I'm particularly interested in your reads on ranger, beeboy, and then sad (in that order, pls). If you could do those first that would be nice.

[F-oh-ex]

I'll try to but ETA on that post is a few hours.

[Raskolnikov]

I find it hard to believe town ranger isn't townreading zyf, especially considering how she talks to him in 51 which comes off as treating him town.

The last game I was in with her she was pretty actually apparent scum in that normally she wouldn't be completely misreading the game, assuming my own reads aren't off themselves. This isn't nearly as bad but still weird; I would expect her scumgame to be a lot better after that but then again this is hardly a red flag either. Ehh.