Open 644: Stack the Deck - Game Over

[Chip Butty]

Kuroi: I waver between scum (depending on whether I have a slot available for him) and not very useful Town. Agree he is shootable. Don't want to lynch just yet.

What about compromising and agreeing I am shootable and lynching Kuroi instead?

No can do. I think you are the higher prob scum, and we don't even know if there is a vig. This kind of bargaining for your life seems very scummy in itself - Town tends not to be so hung up on personal survival, because greater numbers.

Or is this distancing from a scum buddy? I think the best way to find out is to start by lynching you.

[ploben]

I like the sound of plobTown

Sounds ploblematic to me.

We could hang out Chip.

The only place you're going to be hanging out in on a gallows pole.

Spoiler:

[ploben]

Kuroi: I waver between scum (depending on whether I have a slot available for him) and not very useful Town. Agree he is shootable. Don't want to lynch just yet.

What about compromising and agreeing I am shootable and lynching Kuroi instead?

No can do. I think you are the higher prob scum, and we don't even know if there is a vig. This kind of bargaining for your life seems very scummy in itself - Town tends not to be so hung up on personal survival, because greater numbers.

Or is this distancing from a scum buddy? I think the best way to find out is to start by lynching you.

Not bargaining for my life. I am realizing we look to be in a stalemate between me and Ranger today so I'm trying to see if Kuroi is viable instead D1.

[Chip Butty]

Kuroi: I waver between scum (depending on whether I have a slot available for him) and not very useful Town. Agree he is shootable. Don't want to lynch just yet.

What about compromising and agreeing I am shootable and lynching Kuroi instead?

No can do. I think you are the higher prob scum, and we don't even know if there is a vig. This kind of bargaining for your life seems very scummy in itself - Town tends not to be so hung up on personal survival, because greater numbers.

Or is this distancing from a scum buddy? I think the best way to find out is to start by lynching you.

Not bargaining for my life. I am realizing we look to be in a stalemate between me and Ranger today so I'm trying to see if Kuroi is viable instead D1

and praying to the scum god that there is no vig

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FTFY.

[Chip Butty]

Another possible scum motivation for scum!plob, if you realize the writing is on the wall, is to take down Town.Kuroi with you, as a kind of booby prize.

[PantherPunt]

ya this is when I start wanting to self injure for signing up for two week phases. one little lull on my site and I come back here. it's like that automatic booty call...you can't help it but you're mildly ashamed with yourself later

[PantherPunt]

you're going to have to show where Dunn scumread karnos for dumbtelling

It's literally in the quote you were giving: 99. He explicitly calls the argument with karnos dumb. That carries the implicit meaning that he believes karnos is dumbtelling.

LLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

calling an arguement dumb isn't saying someone is "dumbtelling." It's saying they made an argument that is logically idiotic...kind of like you saying Dunn believed karnos to be dumbtelling.

Dumbtelling is when someone acts like they don't know how many mafia there are. Or tries to talk about a mafia role that's not in the game. As if to say, "See! I can't be mafia or I wouldn't have made that mistake!"
That's a dumbtell. It's what Chip Buddy did (except I believe his was genuine).

I'll sign you up for Panther's Mafia Terminology 101 course. I'll send syllabus via PM after the game. Do you want the night class or the Executive class that runs every other Friday/Saturday?

[PantherPunt]

PantherPunt} have, consistently, throughout the whole game, been applying a double-standard, where in defense of their viewpoints they take one stance, but when attacking they take another. Dunnstral and PantherPunt are the worst offenders, but ploben has his moments too.

I really can't wait. This has been teased for nearly a full week. It's hilarious stalling tactics. You can't even give a top of the head example? Not one?

[ploben]

ya this is when I start wanting to self injure for signing up for two week phases. one little lull on my site and I come back here. it's like that automatic booty call...you can't help it but you're mildly ashamed with yourself later

It's getting to that point in the day (game time) where I feel we need an L-1 and intent so we can deal with a claim in a timely fashion without getting crazy close to the deadline...even if that person happens to be me.

[ploben]

inb4: "Scum would totally say this"

[Chip Butty]

Scum would totally say this.

D'oh!

[PantherPunt]

Seriously, at some point you may want to engage with the robust form of peoples cases against you (as crunkus would say). Or you could keep just picking around the edges and make sure that you will get yourself lynched. Since I think you're a wolf I'm fine with the latter.

But on the off chance I'm wrong, feel free to actually try digging out of the hole you've dug for yourself. Your call.

For context, mhsmith is addressing me. This just feels like he knows I'm town due to perfect information as scum and it's like he's setting himself up on D2 (if I get lynched D1) to say "Well I tried to give him a chance to prove he was town but he was just too scummy not to lynch. Let's move on!"

this is a bad post dude

[PantherPunt]

I'll hopefully respond more soon tonight but I'm lolling at the whole, "I could get behind a Kuroi lynch" while... voting anyone else OTHER than a Kuroi lynch.

do you realize this argument means you're saying those people are your scum buddies? and you're implicating yourself with it?

don't even know who you're referring to but thanks for spewing them town

[PantherPunt]

There is a townie in Ranger, Kuroi, ploben, BTD6. But if we just lynch through it we win imo

I won't fight against a ploben lynch today it's just not my first choice. The only one in that list that seems to have anyone townreading them is Ranger, hence Ranger is the most dangerous. Just promise me that if I eat this bullet you guys won't let Ranger make it to a MYLO/LYLO scenario. Please for the love of all things holy don't fucking do that to me if I agree to move off this wagon.

[Chip Butty]

but after all the build-up and delay, I was expecting something a little more...revelatory, I guess.

Then don't judge it by what it is when it's half-finished. Less than half-finished, actually.

Yeah, I guess the length is part of what I am talking about...I thought it would be some kind of blinding, one para knock down point, not so much the grinding post-by-post. But def go ahead with it. In the meantime, I'm good to go with a ploblynch right now, as I said a little earlier. I think we shoud go with that while it has some momentum.

Broad 'discrediting'-type remarks won't cut the mustard, and even look as scummy as that sort of thing usually does.

If by this you mean "scum discredit", then yes. If by this you instead meant, "saying it's discrediting is scummy", then no, you couldn't be more wrong. Scum discredit. Town point out scum discrediting. I explained why those posts were discrediting, didn't I? If I didn't, I meant to, but it was obvious enough to me: the motivation is to shut down a town player's input, brushing it off as "wrong" and "worthless". This is what they've done.

My intent there was to warn scum that they would not get away with trying to blow off your cases with broad discrediting-type remarks. Obviously, that implies I think you are Town which, on balance of probability, I do. What I want ot do here is force scum to try to post a detailed response, if they are going to try to shoot you down.

[Chip Butty]

There is a townie in Ranger, Kuroi, ploben, BTD6. But if we just lynch through it we win imo

I won't fight against a ploben lynch today it's just not my first choice. The only one in that list that seems to have anyone townreading them is Ranger, hence Ranger is the most dangerous. Just promise me that if I eat this bullet you guys won't let Ranger make it to a MYLO/LYLO scenario. Please for the love of all things holy don't fucking do that to me if I agree to move off this wagon.

Ranger is only dangerous if she is, indeed scum. I think you are totally letting the bad blood between you to cloud your vision,dude. We're just going to have to continue to assess Ranger as we go along, same as anyone else. If we get a ploben lynch, though, it will generate a lot of info because of all the strong interactions he has had with various players.

I'll promise you this, though...vote ploben and I will look very seriously at Ranger's entire game so far.

[Chip Butty]

There is a townie in Ranger, Kuroi, ploben, BTD6.

I'm a bit worried that you say "a townie", as if to imply there is just one. There might be more...

I would rate those four, from Townest to scummest, as

Ranger
Kuroi
BTD
ploben

My best guess atm is the first two are Town, the bottom two scum, and the third scum is in [duppin, Dunn, Panther].

[PantherPunt]

There is a townie in Ranger, Kuroi, ploben, BTD6.

I'm a bit worried that you say "a townie", as if to imply there is just one. There might be more...

I would rate those four, from Townest to scummest, as

Ranger
Kuroi
BTD
ploben

My best guess atm is the first two are Town, the bottom two scum, and the third scum is in [duppin, Dunn, Panther].

Well I think my reads are better than yours simple as that. I have a list of 4 that contains 3 scum. You have a list of 5 that contains either 1 or 2.

[mhsmith0]

I'll hopefully respond more soon tonight but I'm lolling at the whole, "I could get behind a Kuroi lynch" while... voting anyone else OTHER than a Kuroi lynch.

do you realize this argument means you're saying those people are your scum buddies? and you're implicating yourself with it?

don't even know who you're referring to but thanks for spewing them town

He's basically soft claiming ploben and/or ranger as wolf prs here. Vig him tonight please.

Also, cop please check inside {panther, ranger, maybe dunn} (whichever you suspect more).

Bg holster or at least avoid protecting {btd, kouroi, ploben}. Rb should probably block inside that group.

Tracker track as you see fit (visits without kills = town prs)

Also if two wolves die today/tonight we should probably mass claim d2 and institute accountability for pr actions. That's a discussion for d2 at the earliest though.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm actually doing neither of this. I'm saying you guys are half assing yourself. If you want to lynch me, do it. If you don't, shut the fuck up and stop saying you'll do it.

[PantherPunt]

I'll hopefully respond more soon tonight but I'm lolling at the whole, "I could get behind a Kuroi lynch" while... voting anyone else OTHER than a Kuroi lynch.

do you realize this argument means you're saying those people are your scum buddies? and you're implicating yourself with it?

don't even know who you're referring to but thanks for spewing them town

He's basically soft claiming ploben and/or ranger as wolf prs here. Vig him tonight please.

Also, cop please check inside {panther, ranger, maybe dunn} (whichever you suspect more).

Bg holster or at least avoid protecting {btd, kouroi, ploben}. Rb should probably block inside that group.

Tracker track as you see fit (visits without kills = town prs)

Also if two wolves die today/tonight we should probably mass claim d2 and institute accountability for pr actions. That's a discussion for d2 at the earliest though.

Nah it doesn't necessarily mean anything about PRs. (If anything it means Kuroi is the PR bc it's the least bussable slot and they aren't putting votes there. but moreso probably just trying to get a mislynch off)

I'd rand bodyguard between me, smith, and dunn
I'd goon cop, track, and roleblock within btd and ranger assuming we get a vig shot on kuroi.
I'd actually say avoid kuroi with NA's bc he either gets vigged (and we don't want to waste a power on a dead kuroi) or we lynch him tomorrow if we have no vig.

[PantherPunt]

^That's me saying I'd consent to a ploben lynch btw

and ploben flipping scum in NO WAY clears Ranger, just so that's kept in mind. Since she's been selling ploben + me + dunn, it's very very valid and possible she is scummates with ploben and is looking to get that lynch for self-cred and hope others follow her onto lynching strong town. so she can kill elsewhere at night. it sounds tinfoily but it's not that tinfoily

[PantherPunt]

One of the modifiers is switch goon to bulletproof but I would choose that approximately never compared to everything else bc it assumes a vig rand and that the vig targets that specific goon. It's such a low EV choice I can't imagine someone with half a brain picking it. So the vig talk is probably ok...I got nervous for a second.

[mhsmith0]

There is a townie in Ranger, Kuroi, ploben, BTD6. But if we just lynch through it we win imo

I won't fight against a ploben lynch today it's just not my first choice. The only one in that list that seems to have anyone townreading them is Ranger, hence Ranger is the most dangerous. Just promise me that if I eat this bullet you guys won't let Ranger make it to a MYLO/LYLO scenario. Please for the love of all things holy don't fucking do that to me if I agree to move off this wagon.

If {btd, kuroi, ploben} has at least two wolves the game is basically locked regardless of who bro #3 would be. But sure, if you eat a bullet AND it's not those three AND we don't have a cop (or if traitor is still out there), then I'm fine w pushing ranger further up the suspect list. But that's still a bunch of ifs at this point.

[mhsmith0]

I'm actually doing neither of this. I'm saying you guys are half assing yourself. If you want to lynch me, do it. If you don't, shut the fuck up and stop saying you'll do it.

Tomorow tomorow we'll lynch you tomorow it's only a day awaaaaaaaay
(Unless vig takes care of it instead).