Open 647: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

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^^ i like this guy, why did he get l-1'd ^^

[drmyshottyizsik]

who? The thread title? :p

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damn page break

[podoboq]

OK, so Maru is basically obv town to me. If you don't understand why, try treading what he posts. If it still doesn't make sense to you, slap yourself in the face three times, then ask me why, and I'll spell out for you how Maru is being the most supportive of pro-town play and showing the most opposition toward people who are showing anti-town play.

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OK, so Maru is basically obv town to me. If you don't understand why, try treading what he posts. If it still doesn't make sense to you, slap yourself in the face three times, then ask me why, and I'll spell out for you how Maru is being the most supportive of pro-town play and showing the most opposition toward people who are showing anti-town play.

personally, i read maru as null right now. how come you jabbed at smith for his defense on maru but you somewhat low-key defend maru as well?

[MURDERCAT]

So you're saying, I won't get lynched because I'm scum. I won't get lynched because I'm scumym town. I'll get lynched because you don't like my personality trait of being overtly verbose and explaining everything to minute detail? I thought the goal was to find scum, not to find people who annoy us? But then again, this is from the guy who thinks scumhunting is done in a bubble, without any group interaction and support. Not surprising your methods point you towards those that annoy you rather than scum. Shitty methods, shitty results.

I'm saying it makes you look scummy.

[karnos]

Dividing your post into 4 points I want to address.
1. This is a shitty reason to give any less than your all to any game. If you can't play to your normal standards in any game because of the number of other games, you need to get the fuck out of some of those games. A SELF-INDUCED workload of games is NOT a valid excuse to not play your best game possible in any given game at any given time. Fix yourself.
2. Voting for someone based on a playstyle, and because you don't like their posts is fucking stupid. Deal with it, or ignore me and live with the fact you can't read my playerslot due to your ignoring of me. I can't be any more concise and get the points i want to make across. I can only make 1 sometimes 2 posts a day, and you guys are averaging 100 posts a day for me to react to. I will react to everything that happens in the game. I will not skim, I will not hold back, I will not provide any less content due to my limited posting schedule. I will provide the same content I would provide if I could post every 30 minutes. It just happens to all be in one post. I can't help that, I'm sorry it bugs you. Deal with it, or don't. It's not a good reason for lynching someone. Unless you're scum, then any reason to lynch not scum is a good reason.
3. I apologize that someone else's personal reactions to my post, makes you dislike my post? Thats really weird, and nothing I can do to change other people's personal reactions, so I don't know why you made this point.
4. Votes are free. They are also the most powerful weapon any town player has in any given game. When I can only apply one vote in a 24 hour period, why do you want me to waste it on anything less than someone I am 100% willing to be rid of, before I get a chance to check back in 24 hours later? You saw how fast the wagon on pod built. he went from no votes to L-1 in the span of my Sleep Time/Work Day. If I had voted him, that could easily have been a quicklynch while I was without internet access. Why would I want that? I will be sparing with my votes, and only place it where I WANT to lynch someone, and that is my personal choice, and it is not a bad choice.

1- You are jumping to conclusions. I am still giving my all here. Sometimes you say more with less. On the other forum (w/ DixC & Penguin), I posted all the time, sometimes not out of need, but out of boredom. With multiple games running here, I find that posting out of boredom is something I do far more rarely, but I still post as much as I need to post.

2- You are being overly defensive. I want to vote you doesn't mean I think you are scum, and doesn't mean I will vote you. i'm just warning you that I, and possibly others, perceive your posting style as a style that can be used to mask emotion, and therefore avoid giving scum tells.

3- Again, i'm not actually voting you, I'm just telling you it looks bad to me.

4- I think you will find that voting isn't so linear. While podo was 1 vote away from being lynched today, briefly, it's not exactly correct to assume he would have really been lynched if you had voted for him 20 hours prior. Likely, the person putting him at L-1 today wouldn't have voted at all. One, two, even three votes on someone and most people don't think twice about voting. But one you get to L-2 or closer to lynch, the votes from that point on take a much stronger meaning. I like looking at vote records, so when a player refuses to vote someone he considers scummy, it rubs me as somewhat odd.

[MURDERCAT]

You then go on to explain your vote less than a minute, almsot as an afterthought like "Oh shit, you know, maybe I should provide a better reason for my vote other than just following shotty". People who care who they lynch (IE: Town, who have to lynch correctly), don't come up with reasons for their vote, post-vote, as an afterthought. They have reasons they express before or in the same post as voting. Because the vote is the most powerful tool the town have.

Meta me if you want to, I post frequently and whenever I have a thought and often post multiple times in quick succession.

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: Smithereens

Vote on Podo looks the worst and I think podo looks ok now.

[Chip Butty]

Agree with the above, and...

SirCakez was scum in the original roll open 640. The *only* scum from 640 who made it into the re-roll. What are the chances that he pulled scum again?

VOTE: SirCakez

VOTE: karnos
I was waiting for something....else, but no, this is still it. There needs to be some pressure on karnos to make him actually participate, because this doesn't count.

This is a good post. We were starting to slowly pull ourselves out of RVS at that point, and here comes Karnos rolling back in with a "Hey have some RVS bishes!" post, and no help to the game at all. He tries to throw a shred of validity on it by WIFOMing "what are the odds" of back to back scum rolls. Which in a game of exactly the same setup, the odds of back to back scum roles,

are the exact same odds of any single one of us rolling scum

because each game is played in a bubble, so outside factors do not place any pressure on the pure randomness of each game.

I think Maru's tone is a bit better here, but I want to point out that neither his nor podo's comments on karnos' #63 were exactly original. I was there first in #73, although we reached different conclusions (Well, I didn't really reach a conclusion):

Agree with the above, and...

SirCakez was scum in the original roll open 640. The *only* scum from 640 who made it into the re-roll. What are the chances that he pulled scum again?

VOTE: SirCakez

Are you trying to plunge us back into RVS? It was hard enough to crawl out the first time...I'm pretty sure you don't believe this reasoning. Not saying you are being scummy, but I know you like capers...

Also, re:probability, I think what Maru is trying to say is that, given game A followed by game B:

prob(player.scum(Game B)) = prob(player.scum(Game A and Game B, given player.scum(Game A)). Or something.

That's all I have time for now. Prob won't post again for 8-10 hours, at least.

[podoboq]

how come you jabbed at smith for his defense on maru but you somewhat low-key defend maru as well?

Smithereen defended Maru, but then voted me, when the only logic to vote me is that I townread Maru. It's inconsistent. Also, I did not "somewhat low-key defend maru." I thought I was pretty overt.

[davesaz]

MOD: I will be Semi- V/LA starting tomorrow. I can't tell you an exact end of my V/LA, but you'd be safe to estimate the ballpark of a week. I will still log in, and post, but it won't have as much content. We're pulling into port, and I will be busy seeing the sites, drinking the booze, and standing the watches on duty

Noted, enjoy the off time you can get!

[Smithereens]

how come you jabbed at smith for his defense on maru but you somewhat low-key defend maru as well?

Smithereen defended Maru, but then voted me, when the only logic to vote me is that I townread Maru. It's inconsistent. Also, I did not "somewhat low-key defend maru." I thought I was pretty overt.

There was no defense for Maru intended just btw, it was supposed to be an attack on SirCakez for something I found really inconsistent myself about his attack on Maru. I think you should go back and read my post vs SirCakez because it raises a valid point which you missed.

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Yeah okay I'm fine with my mc vote for right now.

[podoboq]

how come you jabbed at smith for his defense on maru but you somewhat low-key defend maru as well?

Smithereen defended Maru, but then voted me, when the only logic to vote me is that I townread Maru. It's inconsistent. Also, I did not "somewhat low-key defend maru." I thought I was pretty overt.

There was no defense for Maru intended just btw, it was supposed to be an attack on SirCakez for something I found really inconsistent myself about his attack on Maru. I think you should go back and read my post vs SirCakez because it raises a valid point which you missed.

Granted that your post mostly existed to discredit Cakez rather than give credit to Maru, but I still interpret it as (at least kind of) a defense of Maru. That coupled with your (self-admitted) bad vote on me, it looks sketchy to me.

[SirCakez]

I'll catch up here tomorrow, sorry

[Smithereens]

Yes Podo, an attack on an attack will naturally look like a defense for the attacked.

Here's something for you to grind your teeth on:
When I poked SirCakez about the fact that he was calling out Maru for a fluff post at a point in the game when every second post was fluff, his response was:
"The only discussion and material I saw generated from it was the scumreads on Maru from it...."
Do you believe that post rationalization = scum?

[podoboq]

Yes Podo, an attack on an attack will naturally look like a defense for the attacked.

Here's something for you to grind your teeth on:
When I poked SirCakez about the fact that he was calling out Maru for a fluff post at a point in the game when every second post was fluff, his response was:
"The only discussion and material I saw generated from it was the scumreads on Maru from it...."
Do you believe that post rationalization = scum?

No, not really. It's bad, but it's not necessarily scummy. It's a bullet point that I'll use to inform a read on him when he posts more. Sorry if that sounds like a cop-out, but if I'm being honest here, this is my third game with him, and I'd rather see him post more before I try to read him.

[DixC]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: podoboq

^^ i like this guy, why did he get l-1'd ^^

'cause he text-walled against accusations that deserved less than a line.

VOTE: Ranger I'm concerned that your preternatural capabilities are not on display this game.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: podoboq

^^ i like this guy, why did he get l-1'd ^^

'cause he text-walled against accusations that deserved less than a line.

VOTE: Ranger I'm concerned that your preternatural capabilities are not on display this game.

that's not a good reason to fos podo but whatever

[Ranger]

Can you please expand on this, and provide more detail as to what these lists are/mean/how you achieve them (especially for page 1 which had so little content, and some of the players on your list had totally not even posted)

I can!

[Ranger]

I'm concerned that your preternatural capabilities are not on display this game.

My abilities are largely reactionary.

Game's too active, I have trouble tracking everyone. (This, incidentally, is why I lurk in Larges.) Game's too inactive, there's almost nothing for me to track.

Still, gotta make do with what you've got. And what I've got is an unchanged list from 66.

[Maruchan]

not enough time to do a real post, but i had time to skim, and want to post this here VOTE: Ranger he wants to play the "sure i can but you didn't ask would I" game, well this is my form of asking will he now.

enjoy

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i really find it hard to believe that your reads are unchanged after 66.

[MURDERCAT]

not enough time to do a real post, but i had time to skim, and want to post this here VOTE: Ranger he wants to play the "sure i can but you didn't ask would I" game, well this is my form of asking will he now.

enjoy

This is just an NAI Ranger thing she does early on.
(Her pronoun is she by the way.)