New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[Nahdia]

Liger, projectmatt, cy (tho he's on V/LA rn) are our lurkers by my count.

[Titus]

worth noting the anen line that i felt was a scumclaim was him defending Ircher.

Which post?

Why is everyone ignoring Shaz's bullshit?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Cy

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Literally this ISO is only 31 posts long. Frankly if you are looking at a Serial Killer ISO this is it.

Responds to Anen asking him who is scum at 615. This is the kind of interaction that Daytalk renders not really likely to come from partners. I also absolutely think Cy as a Mafia member would have gotten, as Red Forman puts it, a “foot up his ass” for the lurkery game he is playing.

Agrees with Anen at 2612 regarding a wagon on PMatt. Again – not the kind of in-thread posting I expect from partners.

Conclusion

– Not Anen’s partner. Strong, strong Serial Killer candidate who is flying as much under the radar as possible and taking no stances of his own.

[Nahdia]

worth noting the anen line that i felt was a scumclaim was him defending Ircher.

Which post?

Why is everyone ignoring Shaz's bullshit?

i misread the situationhe wasn't really "defender" ircher per se but more trying to paint me as inconsistent in my interaction with Ircher in the most ridiculous possible way (hence my immediate strong scumread on him). here http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p7951749

i've already addressed why i think shaz is town.

[Nahdia]

god my english sucks sorry.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Shaziro

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2778 – This is the first mention I can find in his 160something post ISO. And it is basically correcting Anen on Shotty’s site-wide temper tantrum after getting banned from discussion for the umpteenth time. Pretty null.

3019 – This is not really a direct reference but Shaz said at one point he thought Seth attacking Anen (the infamous Bird Poop post) was Scum Seth attacking Anen Town.

That is full extent of his interactions and comments towards Anen.

Conclusion

– Ehh … maybe partners? With as many posts as Shaziro has you would have thought there would have been some interaction if Shaz was trying to sort Anen. It does fit with less experienced scum being unsure how to interact with partners. On the flip-side I would think with Daytalk he would have gotten some pointers on that. Middle of the road read.

[Egg]

Page 109:
Re: Magna's drmy case - Is calling someone 3rd party on Page 4 really a slip of extra info? Also can't buy a meta case if the meta isn't being shared. Basically, I'd be willing to listen even though I'm townreading drmy, but there's necessary info to be shared first. Also, why is Ircher's post that you linked so town? I think scum can explain what happened with the kills just as well as town can. Probably better, actually. To answer your question though, yeah SK in a neighborhood is possible. As a Mod, I don't think I'd do it just because SK is so hard to win as and that puts a target on them, but sure it's possible.

Drmy, I'd like to know why it "seemed obvious" on Day 1 that we were dealing with multiple teams.

I don't understand zakk's issue with Shaziro's wording. Zakk's entire tone feels kind of... gloaty? or cocky maybe? lately. I don't remember him being like this at all last game. But he was scum last game so... I dunno.

V/LA

until Friday night.

[Shaziro]

Why is everyone ignoring Shaz's bullshit?

My guess is that they actually went back under the assumption that you were wrong to humor me, re-read, and saw exactly where you got it twisted.

[Ircher]

Why is everyone ignoring Shaz's bullshit?

My guess is that they actually went back under the assumption that you were wrong to humor me, re-read, and saw exactly where you got it twisted.

It wasn't twisted.

[zakk]

Vote: projectmatt

[MagnaofIllusion]

ProjectMatt

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1226 – First direct mention of Anen in his ISO is his assessment in his reads-list. While not a direct stated scum read it is clearly implied by the Anen vote in his next post.

Returns to voting Anen Day 2 at 2341.

2392 questions Anen about his specific logic surrounding the Pers wagon.

Another response to Anen at 2605 in which he more or less calls Anen’s vote OMGUS.

2762 – This is the first post from Matt that has struck me as off. Ostensibly he wants Anen dead (via his voting pattern) and he says he could make a case to support it. That case never comes.

2822 – While MoIputer doesn’t have me looking at Nos this post makes me think it is a good idea after the MoIputer work is done.

Conclusion

– Very likely not a scum partner. Votes Anen and was pretty consistent in his stance on him. The only element holding me back is the relative weakness of him actually pushing a case on Anen. Could be “being unmotivated”, could be a sign of possible bussing. In any case I’m not voting for him until more scum flips occur as I lean towards not a Anen partner.

[Lowell]

@magna, why are you assuming one scum team and an SK, out of curiosity?

Anyway magna's probably scum, but I need to try something.

VOTE: egg

Let me let this settle. Yep, feels good.

Something about his ISO, eh, I don't know.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Ircher

I feel good about this lynch.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Ircher

I feel good about this lynch.

Reasons?

[Liger_Zero]

Liger, projectmatt, cy (tho he's on V/LA rn) are our lurkers by my count.

I have been lurking very hardcore. It is had to get in this game, and the amount of flips makes it hard to focus on simple things. I don't know, very demotivating in a way.

[Liger_Zero]

VOTE: Ircher

I feel good about this lynch.

Reasons?

Don't like your posts.
I believe you were also a scumread of Copper, so I think thats worth pursuing.

[Liger_Zero]

UNVOTE:
I need to think this over more. I was wrong about Copper scumreading you, he siad you were likely scum if this was multiball.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Ircher

I feel good about this lynch.

Reasons?

Don't like your posts.
I believe you were also a scumread of Copper, so I think thats worth pursuing.

What don't you like about my posts?

[Titus]

@magna, why are you assuming one scum team and an SK, out of curiosity?

Anyway magna's probably scum, but I need to try something.

VOTE: egg

Let me let this settle. Yep, feels good.

Something about his ISO, eh, I don't know.

Wit a vig + hood, that is the most likely scenario.

[Lowell]

Well then I feel like a dumbass for claiming then if its an SK. I had assumed two scumgroups.

[Titus]

Well then I feel like a dumbass for claiming then if its an SK. I had assumed two scumgroups.

You claim stopped me from suspecting you were scum, so that's something.

[Titus]

My claim wound up getting a town PR mislynched and probably myself permanently roleblocked and people ignoring obvious scum... so *shrug*

[zakk]

Well then I feel like a dumbass for claiming then if its an SK. I had assumed two scumgroups.

We don't have information to suggest that it is NOT multi-scum, other than a flip which is red and doesn't specify a team, however, I think that's enough, and that's been there since Aneninen flipped, so WAY before you claimed. You didn't have to claim i don't think. I'm 99% sure there's a vig and an SK.

With that said I think you claiming was a good idea all things considered. If you're town it probably saved your ass. If you're scum it probably did too. I want to lynch you about 50% less either way

[zakk]

Titus, iso aneninen pls and let me know what you think of possible scumbuddies

[Titus]

Titus, iso aneninen pls and let me know what you think of possible scumbuddies

That's not generally how I look for buddies... :/ I generally look in the votes. I'll look at the votes in the next day or so, given the large amounts of flips here.