New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[Boem_u_dusi]

Mirhawk

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Honestly,

Performer

didn't say he wanted it to stand out. Are you assuming he did?

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In order to not stand out he could have simply not voted.

He deliberately voted no lynch, what possible reason could he have done that for unless he wanted people to notice it.

In all honesty the more I talk about it the less I like it.

Hey performer, why did you vote for a no lynch? It's obviously not going to stick, so why not just place no vote?

To fish for reactions ! First day of d1 , we had plenty of time to talk over things, get wagons generated, etc. Unless there are special cases, then no lynch is typically a bad way to go.

Oh and someone asked if I was an IC before - I'm not going to answer that question.

I like this answer.

Fun fact guys, Dunnstral has hard tunneled me D1-2 before and I flipped Town. He just gets a little excited sometimes.

Zach i'm like pretty close to townreading you. I just need you to give me some more to work with.

How does that work? You're the sole benefactor of my wagon.

I find that strange as well, imp saying he is close to townreading you . Not only that, but him saying his tone is typically scumread by others, is also frankly weird.

Are you going to.. do anything about this?

I am going to wait and see. imp is hardly the type to lurk.

Now's probably a time to get this shannon counterwagon going pal, I know you put the slot into null but I have a scouter-type ability for finding scum (which people....don't really put faith in... but it works)

@Implosion, why the change of heart?
@Zach, what makes you so sure shannon is scum? Several people marked her as town, this is a potentially dangerous move for you.

[Mirhawk]

It's just that phrasing. "NOT GET LYNCHED" card. It's like you're implying it's some pocket tactic that he's pulling out to preemptively dodge pressure which is just such an unlikely line of thought.

Not what I was implying, were I implying anything.

I just really don't like the direction of criticism towards the declaration of v/la. Or the fact that when I question you about it you become more vague and say that "his aura is pinging you."

What you like and don't like has no relevant effect on me, sir. I can tell you you're way off though, like Titanic engineer schematic level of wrong.

The biggest problem with the Titanic wasn't that there were engineering problems, but rather that they didn't understand how brittle steel could get at lower temperatures. Well that and it hit a iceberg.

[Mirhawk]

What sort of reaction were you expecting to get?

[Mirhawk]

@performer btw

[Zachstralkita]

@Zach, what makes you so sure shannon is scum? Several people marked her as town, this is a potentially dangerous move for you.

Apparently my fucking intake of oxygen is a dangerous move for me seeing all these votes come my way for being my damn self. And it's not like a lot of people saying someone's town... makes them town. Simple as. Good scum can have the whole game townread them and no one will know until it's too late and we get fucked in our sleep. Not that shannon's good scum, she has too few posts for me to make a judgement on the skill of her scumminess, but just enough for me to determine that she is, in fact, scum.

It's just that phrasing. "NOT GET LYNCHED" card. It's like you're implying it's some pocket tactic that he's pulling out to preemptively dodge pressure which is just such an unlikely line of thought.

Not what I was implying, were I implying anything.

I just really don't like the direction of criticism towards the declaration of v/la. Or the fact that when I question you about it you become more vague and say that "his aura is pinging you."

What you like and don't like has no relevant effect on me, sir. I can tell you you're way off though, like Titanic engineer schematic level of wrong.

The biggest problem with the Titanic wasn't that there were engineering problems, but rather that they didn't understand how brittle steel could get at lower temperatures. Well that and it hit a iceberg.

Look at that, you learn something new everyday.

[implosion]

Not only that, but him saying his tone is typically scumread by others, is also frankly weird.

I got pretty aggravatingly mislynched in a recent game over what felt like just people saying I felt off with no other good justification (particularly I note that Kmd pushes me for "a lack of perceived genuineness") and I'm still a bit salty over it.

It was mostly aggravating because it was like the first game in forever where I felt really good about my reads and it turned out that they were really good and I got lynched anyway, but that's beside the point.

How does that work? You're the sole benefactor of my wagon.

It works because you've been doing things that want to make me townread you but there are still things I'm trying to see the town motivation for, hence my line of questioning.

[Zachstralkita]

Not only that, but him saying his tone is typically scumread by others, is also frankly weird.

I got pretty aggravatingly mislynched in a recent game over what felt like just people saying I felt off with no other good justification (particularly I note that Kmd pushes me for "a lack of perceived genuineness") and I'm still a bit salty over it.

It was mostly aggravating because it was like the first game in forever where I felt really good about my reads and it turned out that they were really good and I got lynched anyway, but that's beside the point.

How does that work? You're the sole benefactor of my wagon.

It works because you've been doing things that want to make me townread you but there are still things I'm trying to see the town motivation for, hence my line of questioning.

Okay I'll help you out with that, wave your magic wand and make this wagon disappear, thank you based wizard.

[Boem_u_dusi]

We need to pressure shannon or Sickofit1138, although I'm not entirely satisfied with Zach. But he would probably be a mislynch.

[implosion]

Yeah fine w/e. I just need to figure out who the next flavor of wagon will be. Which will take a bit bc I have a dentist appointment in 20 minutes.

Zach's reaction to his wagon reads genuine. Posts like 227 feel like a consistent reaction to being incorrectly wagoned.

[implosion]

And I don't think that sickofit is a good wagon atm. His stuff feels tonally really weird but I'm not convinced it's in a scummy way and almost everything he's posted has been taking stances on people with reasoning so I'm not keen on that wagon atm.

[Zachstralkita]

And I don't think that sickofit is a good wagon atm. His stuff feels tonally really weird but I'm not convinced it's in a scummy way and almost everything he's posted has been taking stances on people with reasoning so I'm not keen on that wagon atm.

You must atone for your sins. Smite shannon.

I want to say that if Dunnstral keeps up this wagon he's probably scum LMFAO

[Zachstralkita]

or should i do what i do every game and say scum!Dunnstral is too smart to hard wagon me

but that's WIFOM CENTRAL

[podoboq]

Not a lot to read yet, but I want to get some basic thoughts on the page so that people at least have something of value to read from me.

The following reads are in no particular order.

TOWNY:

Spoiler: AGar

(Titus's) playstyle is beyond abrasive, it's centered on division of the town and generally just not fun to play with.

This is all he's said that is worth reading so far, and it's a good reason to vote somebody. I don't know how true it is, but this is a pro-town mindset.

Spoiler: Zachstralkita

I was sumreading him for being generally useless, as well as some genuinely scummy stuff, but the response he's had to his wagon reads as genuine to me, and his posting has become a lot better.

Spoiler: Performer

The no lynch vote to fish a response is towny.

Spoiler: implosion

I actually don't know why I like his posts, but I do.

NULL:

Spoiler: Mirhawk

All of the stuff some people have had a problem with, I like. A no lynch vote is an attempt to stand out and say something, but isn't inherently towny or scummy. Still not enough content here for me to read

Spoiler: Wake88

The back and forth between Titus is weird, but in theory, I agree with Wake's argument. A vote at this point is not inherently a scum read. I think that what he did

was

interrupting, because it relieves pressure from Almost50 and distracts from what Titus was trying to talk about. It's undermining, which interrupts the flow of a discussion, and stifles Titus's attempts to gain a read from the interaction. I think this was a mistake rather than something intentional, though.

SCUMMY:

Spoiler: Lapsa

It seems like there's thought going on in his posts, but there's no real analysis I that I can see, so that's a problem. You have opinions. How about explaining them?

Spoiler: Dunnstral

Lots of vote hopping, and not enough explanation of his reads.

Spoiler: Sickofit1138

I don't like the way he gave some kinda wiifm shit to push against a lynch. On his secon post on P 3

ummm town wouldnt type a post to stand out, that outs attention on them and away from hunting actual scum. ... so it sounds like you are insinuating that he is scum. i think it could be that you are scum pushing against an early mislynch.

There are a huge reach, and pretty scummy.

Spoiler: Varsoon

I get that he has basically no posts so far, but this is scummy:

Not yet.
I'm considering just hopping on whatever's popular and seeing where that tides us.

I KIND OF HAVE NO READ YET:

Almost50
shannon
Airick10
Transcend
PeregrineV
Boem_u_dusi
Titus
Nosferatu

[podoboq]

VOTE: Sickofit for now

[Zachstralkita]

I don't understand the Sickofit hype to be perfectly honest. I feel like it's a waste of time along with my wagon.

[Nosferatu]

I just realized that there are literally only 4 people I played with , in here.
Nosferatu, do you recall the game where Firebringer was scum with Xtoxm Traitor, and what's his face as the 3rd scum? There's something strange going on here and I 'd like for you to try to look at that game. I'm going to dig into that game as well (moderated by chamber). I think that may help us in discerning alignment for Mr. X.

I had forgotten about that game but at first glance the ISOs here and there seem a bit different. Don't want to make any conclusions from that immediately, but I'll be paying more attention in the future.

[Dunnstral]

Yo Transcend, how about you come to my fucking aid pretty please with sugar on top. I can't work my magic and find scum (which I already have) if I'm dead.

I wish I was Dunn so people can dickride me too. Dunn hasn't offered any points toward my lynch, you guys just gravitate to what he says.

Dunn himself is going to shoot back in here and say I'm town in a bit.

Why would I do that?

Fun fact guys, Dunnstral has hard tunneled me D1-2 before and I flipped Town. He just gets a little excited sometimes.

You seem to be considering me squarely as town awfully early

Also you worded that like I led a lynch against you and you got hanged, which is not what happened and I changed my opinion and thought you were town that game

I want to say that if Dunnstral keeps up this wagon he's probably scum LMFAO

This is not somethign you say if you're town because ideally you want to see what I do for myself, instead it looks like you're trying to scare me away off of you

[Zachstralkita]

Yo Transcend, how about you come to my fucking aid pretty please with sugar on top. I can't work my magic and find scum (which I already have) if I'm dead.

I wish I was Dunn so people can dickride me too. Dunn hasn't offered any points toward my lynch, you guys just gravitate to what he says.

Dunn himself is going to shoot back in here and say I'm town in a bit.

Why would I do that?

Fun fact guys, Dunnstral has hard tunneled me D1-2 before and I flipped Town. He just gets a little excited sometimes.

You seem to be considering me squarely as town awfully early

What a weird way to interpret that. That's not what I said or meant.

This is not somethign you say if you're town because ideally you want to see what I do for myself, instead it looks like you're trying to scare me away off of you

You're not the one who actually determines what I say if I'm Town, I'm the towniest of them all and those words have come forth directly from my thoughts, bounced off of my keyboard keys and appeared on your screen. Try me boi

[Dunnstral]

So let me get this right.
Wagon analysis here we go: 2/4 votes are RVS on Wake. 1/4 is from a guy no one even played with. 1/4 is from someone who hasn't said why, and requests me to join the wagon.
This must be the Twilight Zone. Or you guys are aliens.

Pretty much

Nah, he's right. shannon is probably town. 175 isn't an argument that I think scum are particularly likely to be the first to make in this kind of game, the follow-up in 184 also is a post that I see scum as unlikely to make.

That's horrible.

Those aren't even really arguments either.

Meanwhile you have no arguments against shannon and absolutely no reason to be pushing her over someone else (there are scummy people)

[Zachstralkita]

So let me get this right.
Wagon analysis here we go: 2/4 votes are RVS on Wake. 1/4 is from a guy no one even played with. 1/4 is from someone who hasn't said why, and requests me to join the wagon.
This must be the Twilight Zone. Or you guys are aliens.

Pretty much

Nah, he's right. shannon is probably town. 175 isn't an argument that I think scum are particularly likely to be the first to make in this kind of game, the follow-up in 184 also is a post that I see scum as unlikely to make.

That's horrible.

Those aren't even really arguments either.

Meanwhile you have no arguments against shannon and absolutely no reason to be pushing her over someone else (there are scummy people)

Except I do, shannon pretty much slipped and kase klosed.

[Zachstralkita]

Need I remind you that you have literally no argument against me? Are you sure you're not on drugs? You've never shared with me

[Zachstralkita]

You appear just to make false statements about me and diffuse what I say? I'm not that important.

I get you pride yourself on your " scum hunting abilities " that's all well and dandy but you need to ease up fore u get keyed up cause we G'd up

[Transcend]

Okay

Zach's prob town.

Let's get boem.

[Zachstralkita]

You seem to be considering me squarely as town awfully early

This is hilarious. When other people do this you're getting " THE RESPECT YOU DESERVE", but if I do it (and not that I did) I'm scum?

You're conf biasing the shit out of yourself.

[Zachstralkita]

My main point with shannon is you don't say someone's a townie you can afford to lose and then say they're mafia (But not teamed with you, because that would be so annoyingly unbearable!) in almost the same breath.


Feel free to lynch scum any time you guys want, not even shannon but the main wagons are most likely town right now.(Wake is not a main wagon at the moment)