New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[zakk]

Anen was VERY put together tho

[MagnaofIllusion]

I'm an odd night Neopolitan. Checked ETL n1 got no result. Therefore, I knew I was blocked. Shaz reacted as he knew I was blocked. Pressed him on it. Says he knows I didn't kill anyone for reasons and makes a jail reference. I try to tell him to jail only on even nights if he can.

On day 3, he starts speculating that I am scum and denies the jailkeep. So fuck yeah I want an answer.

This is on point and the fact that there is such a hard time getting anyone but Titus or myself to acknowledge it is significant IMO.

I've never seen a town Neapolitan tbh

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66137

Now you have seen one. The great mystery of the Town Neo, unlike Bigfoot, is truly solved.

Magna, ok. I took 3371 as a personal attack for joining a game I didn't have time for, not suspicion. My mistake I guess. Not really sure how you thought that was alignment indicitve, but you probably should have specified that buying a house is scummy. Seriously, do I have to post a picture of my paperwork or something? You expect that my brilliant strategy is to lie about RL circumstances? Come on, I've been playing long enough not to be scared of being scum. Oh, and no shit my opinions on the past are about the past. I'm not gonna come in here and be like "hi I'm up to Page 70 so here's my thoughts on Page 100." I need full context. It's how my mind works. Go look at any game I've ever been behind as on either this account or my Kmd one. I catch up when I'm behind. I'm actually kind of offended that I kept putting 2-3 hours into catching up on this at a time and you say it's not scumhunting. Also, there's nothing survivalist about lurking. Lurkers get lynched. That's bullshit and you know it. Funny how I was just telling my wife I need to quit mafia and I come back to a post that shrugs off the hours I put into this game as some kind of "lol I dont wanna play cuz Im scum". Now I remember why I can't handle playing mafia.

See this is a scum-bag response. In no way, shape or form did I say buying a house was a scum-tell. I said your play looked like the scum happy to just cruise along well behind the times until it was noted as suspect in thread. Then, in Beetlejuice fashion wham suddenly you instantly caught up. I personally don’t care about your self-meta explanation when as scum you can certainly play to what you perceive to be Town meta and stay under the radar at the same time.

And when did ever say you were lurking? That’s not the charge and your attempt to label it as such is scummy. You weren’t lurking. You provided posts on a reasonable basis. You just NEVER were current with the thread until it became an issue. If I was going to target lurkers I would exclusively target players like ProjectMatt or Cy who have significantly lower post counts than you do.

As far as being offended – I’m sorry if you are offended that I suspect you to be playing a scum oriented game but that emotional hurt isn’t going to dissuade me from voting and suspecting you.

[zakk]

I'm an odd night Neopolitan. Checked ETL n1 got no result. Therefore, I knew I was blocked. Shaz reacted as he knew I was blocked. Pressed him on it. Says he knows I didn't kill anyone for reasons and makes a jail reference. I try to tell him to jail only on even nights if he can.

On day 3, he starts speculating that I am scum and denies the jailkeep. So fuck yeah I want an answer.

This is on point and the fact that there is such a hard time getting anyone but Titus or myself to acknowledge it is significant IMO.

I've never seen a town Neapolitan tbh

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66137

Now you have seen one. The great mystery of the Town Neo, unlike Bigfoot, is truly solved.

Magna, ok. I took 3371 as a personal attack for joining a game I didn't have time for, not suspicion. My mistake I guess. Not really sure how you thought that was alignment indicitve, but you probably should have specified that buying a house is scummy. Seriously, do I have to post a picture of my paperwork or something? You expect that my brilliant strategy is to lie about RL circumstances? Come on, I've been playing long enough not to be scared of being scum. Oh, and no shit my opinions on the past are about the past. I'm not gonna come in here and be like "hi I'm up to Page 70 so here's my thoughts on Page 100." I need full context. It's how my mind works. Go look at any game I've ever been behind as on either this account or my Kmd one. I catch up when I'm behind. I'm actually kind of offended that I kept putting 2-3 hours into catching up on this at a time and you say it's not scumhunting. Also, there's nothing survivalist about lurking. Lurkers get lynched. That's bullshit and you know it. Funny how I was just telling my wife I need to quit mafia and I come back to a post that shrugs off the hours I put into this game as some kind of "lol I dont wanna play cuz Im scum". Now I remember why I can't handle playing mafia.

See this is a scum-bag response. In no way, shape or form did I say buying a house was a scum-tell. I said your play looked like the scum happy to just cruise along well behind the times until it was noted as suspect in thread. Then, in Beetlejuice fashion wham suddenly you instantly caught up. I personally don’t care about your self-meta explanation when as scum you can certainly play to what you perceive to be Town meta and stay under the radar at the same time.

And when did ever say you were lurking? That’s not the charge and your attempt to label it as such is scummy. You weren’t lurking. You provided posts on a reasonable basis. You just NEVER were current with the thread until it became an issue. If I was going to target lurkers I would exclusively target players like ProjectMatt or Cy who have significantly lower post counts than you do.

As far as being offended – I’m sorry if you are offended that I suspect you to be playing a scum oriented game but that emotional hurt isn’t going to dissuade me from voting and suspecting you.

Oooo and with Lowell and shotty scum meta no less

Thank you kindly

[zakk]

I don't wanna lynch Egg today

My jimmies about him have been unrustled since he started posting more

Sometimes I just need a kick in the ass too, so, I feel it

[SirCakez]

I buy the claim. She's been hinting at a role forever. Not clear what her pro-scum motivation would be for doing that. scum PRs are targets for the other scum or sk faction.

also,

@mod

, starting on July 2 I'll have limited access for roughly a month. I should be able to check in every couple of days or so but I won't be as active as normal and some of those check-ins might be prodges. We're 144 pages in and I'd like to keep playing. So, we cool with not replacing me?

You should be fine as long as you check in at least once every couple days.

[SirCakez]

Votecount 3.7

Pikes Peak in the United States!

Nosferatu (5) - projectmatt, Liger_zero, Lowell, zakk, cytheflyguy
Ircher (3) - Nahdia, Egg, Titus
drmyshottyizsik (1) - Ircher
Egg (1) - MagnaOfIllusion
Titus (1) - drmyshottyizsik

Not voting (2) - Nosferatu, Shaziro

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-07-02 18:44:00) remain until day end.

[Titus]

@Magna, Great. You agree with me. Why do you think Shaz knew I was blocked?

I kinda want to Lynch shorty.

[Egg]

Magna, you're still ignoring the fact that I hadn't even read up to your suspicion until the day I caught up. So you're assuming I reacted to something I hadn't even seen yet. You're also ignoring multiple attempts to catch up before that. I'm not in the right emotional state to respond further.

[cytheflyguy]

I said I was suspicious xDD

I noticed I'm not exactly the top on peoples scum reads lmao

Lmao, I meant town reads btw

Now I do want to say more than that, btw, as...a player as myself who mostly is kinda...out there/lurkish, I don't think Egg is giving off a scum tell by his response in post 3556 as life just happens. Not to mention, I do see valid question Egg asks in his ISO's. I do, also, think that Egg started to contribute to the conversation slightly before any suspicion was on him.

The first big thing against Egg was in 3525 by MoI:

Back from V/LA …

@Titus

– why haven’t you done anything with VCA again? We have a scum flip. I’m having a hard time with understanding why Town Titus would not have put in the effort already.

Cy SK...I'm not townreading him but I don't like the attempt to pigeonhole as an SK.

Why exactly? His posting pattern is very indicative of what I expect to see from an SK in a Large game. Do you disagree with my assessment that he doesn’t look like an Anen partner?

VOTE: Egg

I’m pretty much sold based on his reaction to Lowell suggesting he’s a viable lynch. He’s been sitting for 1.75 game days (which, for the record, is a better part of a month) perpetually behind the thread. Never seems to make much headway in catching up. Yet when suddenly people start noticing his slot’s behavior he is magically able to find the time to catch right up to the thread. He was positioned in the perfect spot for scum wanting to stay right under the radar – he wasn’t required to take any actual stances on current events and could use 100% hindsight to craft his posts however he felt would best make him appear Town. Case in point – 3415 is still talking about Day 2 yet 24 real life hour later 3423 he’s suddenly managed to make a full catch-up. Why didn’t think happen earlier? He wasn’t getting any suspicion.

And Egg himself finds survivalism to be scummy –

Shaziro, it doesn't show a survivalist mentality which scum tend to have.

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Though I could be putting more effort into the game, I wouldn't say I am deep lurking...

I am nowhere saying his reads are 100% gold....I am saying there's reasons for him being dead and me being here.

Did you seriously post these back to back?

Egg was clearly contributing to the conversation before that, like in 3463:

I don't think he knew you were blocked. You're giving him a lot of credit for a new player with the whole crumbing thing. And if he WAS crumbing, when you asked him about it, he'd either say so or he'd deny it because he didn't want that info outted. I don't think opening up the "Is Shaziro a power role" converdation was a good idea on your part. You tend to want all of the information as soon as you can get it and that's just not how this game works ideally. Basically, I don't think he came off scummy in that interaction and I don't think you should have said half of what you did.

Also in 3432:

Zakk, you're still skimming if you didn't see why I'm leaning town on Titus. I don't think she'd fakeclaim odd night to get Kop lynched. The lynch was already happening and a commuter isn't that strong. I've acknowledged she could be an odd night scum role though. Still, coming out with that info as scum is ballsy, especially with three kills a night and before Lowell's claim showed he was out of bullets.

Can Ircher and Nos be scum together? Sure. I don't see any reason that doesn't work.

I think you guys are stretching on the "nice try" thing. People say that all the time and I haven't fact checked but I don't think it's always scum. It's someone who thinks a bad arguement was made against them.

Drmy is town for his Day 1 play mostly. I agreed with a lot of what he said, specifically about Ircher, and it sounded like town who was sure of his read(s).

And finally, yes I'm town.

Shaziro, it doesn't show a survivalist mentality which scum tend to have. If Titus is scum, that goes out the window though and no longer looks town. If she's a scum power role, it actually looks really scummy for reasons you just outlined.

Zakk, the fact that Titus called it a counter claim doesn't make her right. That's only possible if you're trying to argue that Kop and Lowell are both scum. I don't think normal games allow for wrong flips and Lowell is very likely to be town so no it's not a counter claim.

Among other times. I'm not a fan of this "wagon", lmao. That being said, I don't think MoI is less town. I just disagree. :T

Idk if this is a late, early, or on time defense for someone else, but I thought it should be said.

[cytheflyguy]

Edit: I guess it's p on time ^^

[Nosferatu]

I still say nos, egg, or magna is the play today.

i actually agree

vote: nos

I'd rather you not tbh

Who are your top 3 picks for scum?

Egg, liger, and project matt

[Nosferatu]

Shaz would be up there, but I'm actually reconsidering that.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Magna, Great. You agree with me. Why do you think Shaz knew I was blocked?

Because he likely blocked you. I mean that’s the Occam’s Razor answer.

No.

Why not?

Two reasons, the first of which is that I don't feel like you'd claim like that. The second is for ~reasons~ that would be bad for town to be outed atm.

This is his original post. The first part makes sense but is made mostly irrelevant by the “reasons” second half.

Said reasons can’t be the following –

1. Role which investigates alignment directly (Cop / Hider / etc) – He would not be voting you today under that circumstance. And Pre-Lowell claim even if he did get an Town result he couldn’t clear you of being a Vig.

2. Non-JK protective role – has no impact on whether you sent a kill.

3. Being Vig himself and Town reading you – Lowell’s claim and his reaction to said claim shows this isn’t a viable possibility.

4. Him being scum and knowing you are Town – Serial Killer (or if I am set-up wrong, opposite Mafia team) would still be a possibility.

That leaves basically on a few things that could stand up as good reasons why he would suspect you didn’t kill someone.

1. He blocked you (Roleblocker / Jailkeeper).
2. He’s a Tracker and saw you go no-where.
3. He’s a Voyeur and saw you get targeted by a blocking power.

Egg, liger, and project matt

Votecount 3.7

Not voting (2) - Nosferatu, Shaziro

[Ircher]

@Magna, Great. You agree with me. Why do you think Shaz knew I was blocked?

Because he likely blocked you. I mean that’s the Occam’s Razor answer.

No.

Why not?

Two reasons, the first of which is that I don't feel like you'd claim like that. The second is for ~reasons~ that would be bad for town to be outed atm.

This is his original post. The first part makes sense but is made mostly irrelevant by the “reasons” second half.

Said reasons can’t be the following –

1. Role which investigates alignment directly (Cop / Hider / etc) – He would not be voting you today under that circumstance. And Pre-Lowell claim even if he did get an Town result he couldn’t clear you of being a Vig.

2. Non-JK protective role – has no impact on whether you sent a kill.

3. Being Vig himself and Town reading you – Lowell’s claim and his reaction to said claim shows this isn’t a viable possibility.

4. Him being scum and knowing you are Town – Serial Killer (or if I am set-up wrong, opposite Mafia team) would still be a possibility.

That leaves basically on a few things that could stand up as good reasons why he would suspect you didn’t kill someone.

1. He blocked you (Roleblocker / Jailkeeper).
2. He’s a Tracker and saw you go no-where.
3. He’s a Voyeur and saw you get targeted by a blocking power.

Egg, liger, and project matt

Votecount 3.7

Not voting (2) - Nosferatu, Shaziro

Exactly.

So why then does Shaz suggest there is a simpler reason?

[Nosferatu]

Egg, liger, and project matt

Votecount 3.7

Not voting (2) - Nosferatu, Shaziro

fine

VOTE: egg

[Titus]

@Magna, Great. You agree with me. Why do you think Shaz knew I was blocked?

Because he likely blocked you. I mean that’s the Occam’s Razor answer.

No.

Why not?

Two reasons, the first of which is that I don't feel like you'd claim like that. The second is for ~reasons~ that would be bad for town to be outed atm.

This is his original post. The first part makes sense but is made mostly irrelevant by the “reasons” second half.

Said reasons can’t be the following –

1. Role which investigates alignment directly (Cop / Hider / etc) – He would not be voting you today under that circumstance. And Pre-Lowell claim even if he did get an Town result he couldn’t clear you of being a Vig.

2. Non-JK protective role – has no impact on whether you sent a kill.

3. Being Vig himself and Town reading you – Lowell’s claim and his reaction to said claim shows this isn’t a viable possibility.

4. Him being scum and knowing you are Town – Serial Killer (or if I am set-up wrong, opposite Mafia team) would still be a possibility.

That leaves basically on a few things that could stand up as good reasons why he would suspect you didn’t kill someone.

1. He blocked you (Roleblocker / Jailkeeper).
2. He’s a Tracker and saw you go no-where.
3. He’s a Voyeur and saw you get targeted by a blocking power.

Egg, liger, and project matt

Votecount 3.7

Not voting (2) - Nosferatu, Shaziro

Exactly.

So why then does Shaz suggest there is a simpler reason?

P.s. I rejected tracker/voyeur because of me being the investigative role.

[Nosferatu]

So yeah, based on that lovely note, I'd like to say that both Shaz and Titus are town based on that. If Titus is town and she thought Shaz was a PR, it would make a lot more sense for her to kill him and not pressure him in front of the whole town. I also don't think Shaz would crumb that he's a RB/JK as scum.

[Titus]

Nos, he crumbed and retracted it.

[Nosferatu]

Nos, he crumbed and retracted it.

but why would he crumb it as scum in the first place? Much more likely that he's town that doesn't want the scum team to kill him.

[Titus]

Nos, he crumbed and retracted it.

but why would he crumb it as scum in the first place? Much more likely that he's town that doesn't want the scum team to kill him.

Gain trust. Stupid error rolling with it.

Why recant though? The recant was unpressured.

He needs to answer this. Not you.

[Nosferatu]

Fine by me.

@Shaz: Why did you mention that you had ~reasons~ to believe that Titus is not the vig.

[Shaziro]

Tell you what. I'll explain, in full, my ~reasons~ next day phase. But we've got to get there. How sure are we that Nos is scum? I'm honestly not seeing it so much anymore.

[Titus]

Who do you think is scum Shaz?

[Titus]

Why wait until tomorrow?

[Nosferatu]

Tell you what. I'll explain, in full, my ~reasons~ next day phase. But we've got to get there. How sure are we that Nos is scum? I'm honestly not seeing it so much anymore.

I quite frankly don't think you'll be living to the next day phase. How do you feel about Egg?