Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[Infinity 324]

Do you think scum bus their buddy and then back off when they get ~4 votes?

What you're saying kinda makes sense, but not if creature is scum. I don't even think robb is giving himself an out to not vote creature closer to deadline.

[Infinity 324]

@Robb don't you think it would be helpful to pressure creature more to try and make him crack?

[Robbnva]

You're diverting attention from a scum lynch, the affiliation of Crab is actually irrelevant to this matter since he hasn't said anything that can be considered scummy. Inb4 you say 'he's' acting different, go back and reply to the fact that I act different in my town games, and I know a lot of players do since it isn't AI.

You're really looking for a way to stay off the Creature wagon it's pretty cle

1. I am not diverting attention from a scum lynch because creature isn't guranteed to be scum (though I think he probably is)
2. The most votes creature had on him was 4 votes. That is L-3 and isn't anywhere close to being lynched so idk why you keep bringing that up.
3. Using that same logic above, crab now has more votes than creature and you are trying hard to prevent crab from getting more votes. To the point you want to accuse me of playing against my win condition or I'm scum.
4. Crab hasn't said anything scummy? clearly we aren't reading the same posts because he absolutely has
5. You keep bringing up how you act differently in your games like that somehow matters to me. It doesn't this is some sort of false logic you are trying to use. It's not going to change my opinion no matter how many times you mention it.
6. I am not looking to stay off a creature wagon. If he gets close to a lynch I will gladly vote him but he isn't and I am suspicious of other people so I want to pressure them. Pressuring people is how you find scum. Ignoring scummy people is how town loses.

[Robbnva]

@Robb, why didn't you call into question my alignment during our discussion?

i'm not sure I understand.

[Infinity 324]

@Robb, why didn't you call into question my alignment during our discussion?

i'm not sure I understand.

Since my slot was empty up until recently, I'm wondering why you didn't seem to make an effort to determine my alignment or state a read on me.

[Robbnva]

Concern about our wincon is shown when a player get's excited about a discovery of scum they have just made, or concern about other players backflipping on their reads for shit reasons.

It doesn't matter what you believe about open-mindedness when I'm actually claiming that your apathy towards Creature (which you're construing as 'open-mindedness') is actually a scum tell.

now you just aren't making any sense. I don't have any apathy towards creature. He is still on my list of possible scum. I have like 6 people on my list of possible scum so excuse me while I do my best to sort these people out.

if you think that's me playing con, idgaf. If you think I am scum, idgaf

I'm not going to let you bully me into changing my vote and that's obviously what you are trying to do. Your hard defense of crab is noted

[Infinity 324]

^^ I think that's town

[Smithereens]

Disappointed that you refuse to see reason, I'll lay it out in syllogism then.

1) A scum case based on behavioural differences between games is valid insofar as it remains consistent
2) It is not consistent
C) It is not valid.

>You are diverting attention away from a scum lynch because your reasons to vote creature far, far outweigh your reasons to vote Crab, yet you insist it is better to be voting Crab.
>I haven't talked about Creature as if he was about to be lynched. However it is quite obvious that a wagon requires votes in order for a lynch to occur, and you are most certainly going to stick with Crab until he is lynched, at the cost of Creature surviving into the night.
>Crab hasn't said anything AI. Please re-check your reads
>Creature isn't going to get close to a lynch because people like you are voting on crap wagons. Now you're saying that you'll vote creature if he gets close to a lynch, but conveniently ignore the fact that that can't happen if people are going to vote randomly.

You also need to stop thinking that I'm town reading Crab.

[Robbnva]

@Robb don't you think it would be helpful to pressure creature more to try and make him crack?

I have already seen enough of creature though. His 180 for weird reasons, his "lies" (put that in quotes since some people don't consider it a lie ), and his weird attempts at deflection makes me think there is no way he is town. I honestly don't think I can pressure him anymore than he has already been pressured.

[Smithereens]

^^ I think that's town

no it isn't. He's made several similar posts that overtly attempt to look townie, please don't be gullible.

[Infinity 324]

It's either town or scum that is quite good at faking emotion

[Robbnva]

Since my slot was empty up until recently, I'm wondering why you didn't seem to make an effort to determine my alignment or state a read on me.

I already establish my read on you. I didn't state it publically for the same reason I haven't stated my reads on quite a lot of players. I don't openly share my reads. I hate read lists and showing all my cards only benefits scum.

[Infinity 324]

@Robb don't you think it would be helpful to pressure creature more to try and make him crack?

I have already seen enough of creature though. His 180 for weird reasons, his "lies" (put that in quotes since some people don't consider it a lie ), and his weird attempts at deflection makes me think there is no way he is town. I honestly don't think I can pressure him anymore than he has already been pressured.

Do you think pressuring him might convince other people more though?

PEdit: Makes sense

I think both of you are town and we approach this game in very different ways so that's where the conflict is coming from

[Smithereens]

It's either town or scum that is quite good at faking emotion

It's not the first time he's chosen to not answer a question in favour of spitting out a generic pro town statement:

I'm not worried about how my actions are perceived.

He isn't good at faking it at all.

[Robbnva]

You also need to stop thinking that I'm town reading Crab.

when you try very hard to divert votes from his wagon, that's a logical conclusion. People don't typically try that hard on somebody they are null or scum reading

plus you said he hasn't said anything you think is scummy which would imply you are not scum reading him which would logically conclude he is more of a town lean rather a scum lean

[Smithereens]

@Rob, If there's a reason to be diverting votes from Crab to Creature, it's because Creature is scum, and we don't know (read: can't know atm) what affiliation Crab is. I haven't dismissed the possibility that he's scum, I'm arguing that there is an elephant of a scum in this room, and we have a whole group of people piling onto a bystander. It looks as stupid as it sounds.


@Infinity, Yes I can see Rob as town, given I'd expect a scum rob to be more concerned about the consistency of their posts.
In other words, a town read from scummy behaviour.

[Infinity 324]

Smith, it's the tone that makes me believe he really feels the emotion he's conveying.

Also, I thought you scumread robb so I'm confused

[Robbnva]

Do you think pressuring him might convince other people more though?

historically, i'd say no.

[Smithereens]

@Rob, I'll propose a trade, I'll sheep your vote on Crab tomorrow if we lynch Creature today. Everyone wins, except for Creature and Crab.

@Infinity, My tone right now is fucking annoyed and you can clearly see it. Do you see how easy it is for me/everyone to make their tone appear however they want??

[Infinity 324]

Your tone is annoyed because you are annoyed. I know I and other people have trouble faking emotion as scum, so

What if I said crab and creature were both town and that we should push on derek and mario who haven't had pressure yet.

[Robbnva]

@Rob, If there's a reason to be diverting votes from Crab to Creature, it's because Creature is scum, and we don't know (read: can't know atm) what affiliation Crab is. I haven't dismissed the possibility that he's scum, I'm arguing that there is an elephant of a scum in this room, and we have a whole group of people piling onto a bystander. It looks as stupid as it sounds.

There is only 1 way you can know 100% sure creature is scum... Trust me, if you have some time go read all of the games from Jake from state farm and you will see me about a bazlilion times (obviously exaggeration of the number) claim I know somebody is 100% scum. You will also see that person flip town and I have egg on my face and a room full of pissed off people

Pay attention to this next part, It's really good.

I think creature is scum, however I also think crab could be scum. Right now we have 1 player who is making a bunch obvious scummy posts but is at least giving reads and thoughts for his reads (even if I don't agree with them) vs another player who isn't really doing a good job at giving reads or even explaining his reads when I know (granted it's only based on 1 game) that he is capable of doing it.

The fact that crab is capable of giving reads and explaing them worry me WAY MORE than somebody who is actually giving reads but I don't agree with.

Pressuring crab to give reads and explain them helps town out way more atm since nobody is close to a lynch and we still have 2 other players who aren't contributing.

There is no rush, so stop acting like there is.

[Smithereens]

@Infinity, I'm not annoyed, this is actually how I talk in mafia games in general and you'll often see me making apologies to players who take it to heart. For your future reference, any emotion is easily faked, especially if the player is going out of their way to make a comment that will be interpreted in that fashion.

Furthermore if you're going to say that Creature is town and we should start a new wagon, I'd simply say that you're going to end up giving scum counter wagon options and we'll end the day with a mislynch on a player who isn't Creature.

[Dwlee99]

I love when all town gather at once to yell at each other personally. It is very amazing, much more useful than lynching scum.

[Robbnva]

@Rob, I'll propose a trade, I'll sheep your vote on Crab tomorrow if we lynch Creature today. Everyone wins, except for Creature and Crab.

We have 6 days plus we will probably get an extension due to still having an inactive player.

what's the rush?

why are you limiting your scum hunting on just 1 person?

better question, why are you so eager for my approval or assistance?

even better question, Why aren't you trying to convince other people besides me to vote creature?

[Dwlee99]

comma after other