In post 997, petroleumjelly wrote:2.)
Infinity 324, can you explain Robbnva's position in your list:
In post 926, Infinity 324 wrote:From scummiest to towniest, it goes something like this:
Derek, Mario, petroleum, dragon, crab, atm, robb, dwlee, eggman, f-oh-ex, smith, creature
Robbnva is one of the few players you have actually expressed and explained your suspicion on. Otherwise you have said you have a potential "gut" read on Derek12 and MarioManiac4. Has something about Robbnva changed your mind on him since your entrance into the game?
For robb, I thought his early interaction with me was towny as he seemed to really believe in the stances he was taking. The stubbornness seems more likely to come from town. Since then, I didn't really see his push on me out of the blue as scum-motivated.
You never finished giving reads on players in
846, can you do that?
Additionally, could you please attempt to explain your gut reads of Derek12 and MarioManiac4? You have given some explanation for your Derek12 suspicion (in
Post #835), but not MarioManiac4.
"Staying on the sidelines and not engaging with people" pretty much sums up my suspicions on derek, he doesn't seem to be trying to figure stuff out or actively pushing his scumreads.
Mario, up until now, I think the gut probably had to do with asking not-so-useful questions since his derek vote. I really don't like his reads list though.
In post 1002, MarioManiac4 wrote:Well, here's my reads if people want them.
Smithereens- nothing really of note.
Derek- this was my first scumread and I still maintain it. He's spent almost all of his time voting crazycrab, although he seems to be active. He then seems to push Eggman primarily while the wagon was the most popular- after it fades away his attention on Eggman vanishes and he goes back to crab. He doesn't seem to be posting about anyone but crab. I can understand this if he has limited time online but it doesn't seem like he is, and even if he is I've found as scum, when I do have limited time, I focus on mostly my push and trying to validate it without pushing any other cases, rather than trying to generalize and find good cases (which is what I would do as town)- I'm not the same person as Derek but I think it's an instinct many would have. This is a somewhat bad scumread but it's lower than null nevertheless.
Eggman- "do you think there are 3 scum in a 13p game" is bad. I dislike 199, specifically the part where he says "I wanted to make a post to show that I was reading." Town don't really feel like justifying anything, but scum are generally always on the lookout for their own survival- or newer ones are anyhow. In 267 he says he's not aware of how to scumhunt. This is kinda a serious problem and you'd think he'd have figured it out in his three completed games. Sure enough, a quick look at "Celestial Mafia" where he is actively trying to scumhunt. He is aware of how to scumhunt. This strangely seems to drop, with Creature coming in with a townread on Eggman with a read that doesn't make sense.
crazycrab- I can see the scumminess of this slot when I open the ISO but it isn't hard to put into words- I might be seeing something different. crazycrab is commenting on different light reads. Post 173 is especially over the top, with "feel" appearing twice, along with its old comrade "from my experience". Yet he does make a good point about Eggman- although that isn't hard to fake if Eggman is town. He then follows this up by defending him slightly- this could indicate they are scumbuddies. His #254 is valid, but #173 is still bad. Later on, #515 is bad. If he thought the push was stupid, why didn't he say so instead of just saying that it was probably a SvS and the two most discussed players at the time were his top scumreads, along with those who hadn't posted?
"I think the problem we are having is that while many people read just off people's ISO, I believe that we should consider all the possibilities before we make a decision. I don't know if this is a good strategy because I have only tested it on one game, but it is what seems most fair to me."- this means that he has tested this strategy he is apparently using before. He makes the next few posts about his strategy; a musing by Fohex on crab's Dwlee read turns into a criticism on his strategy, and then says that he was "testing" a strategy in this game? 1)- you said you'd tested it before? and 2)- what's all this talk about strategy about? This game is a scumhunting game, and just because people thought your explanations weren't good enough doesn't mean you should hide your reasoning so that you can keep reads that are unsatisfying to other people?
Y'know, this makes me think- what is he planning to do this game if not explaining his reads? Explaining reads is the way to get your scumreads lynched, and if he's not planning to explain his reads, is he just planning to just state his reads and skate by the whole game? This post's scummy.
#600- why does he listen to a few criticisms of his strategy?
I'm going to post this to get it out there and aim to get the rest of my reads up asap.
Mario is saying a lot to not take very definitive stances and nitpicking on things that aren't really scummy. These don't look like genuine reads to me.
Vote is staying where it is.
Derek, what do you think about robb's case on me? I don't like how you popped in to explain him but didn't give your opinion on it.
Don't think derek and mario are both scum because they wouldn't bus so early, but bleeeeh.
I'm going to ISO dragon and crab later, I'm starting to have doubts about them.
PEdit: petroleum isn't getting lynched today, that's why I didn't mention them lol
