New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[Zachstralkita]

Nah Wake is town

GG scum tho ez win

[Dunnstral]

Nah Wake is town

He is not.

[Almost50]

Nah Wake is town

He is not.

I think he is, but I'm not betting money on it yet!

[shannon]

I support the request for Kraska to claim. I don't think Kraska realises quite what the situation is here, if she doesn't claim she's toast as far as I'm concerned.

[Dunnstral]

I don't want kraska to claim.

[Titus]

Watches

[Dunnstral]

Watches

Is Wake town?

[GuyInFreezer]

Sick day I guess

vc 2.08

kraska77 (6):

AGar, Titus, Zackstralkita, shannon, Airick10, Wake88

implosion (3):

beeboy, Varsoon, Transcend

Mirhawk (4):

implosion, PeregrineV, Dunnstral, Boem_u_dusi

Dunnstral (1):

Mirhawk

PeregrineV (2):

pobodoq, Almost50

Not Voting:

kraska77

With

17

votes,

9

to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-07-19 12:40:26)

Wake88

is V/LA until

7/14

.

[Zachstralkita]

Watches

Is Wake town?

You asked TITUS if Wake is town if you followed beginning of Day 2 YOU WOULD KNOW she thinks Wake is scum


Maybe ask one of the people NOT tunneling Wake

[Dunnstral]

Zach nothing useful to say and just gets in my way again

Also absolutely no comment on the hangman stuff


Noted

[Mirhawk]

yea kraska's sounding like town

I'm 100% certain that don't lynch me until I read the game is not alignment indicative. Nor is refusing to claim for the same reason. For what reason would you attribute this behavior to town?

[Mirhawk]

Varsoon obviously knows something we don't, so why doesn't Performer/kraska claim and we catch her if she's bullshiting? This way she has time to coordinate and discuss with her teammates if she's scum. Having another scum lynched at this point would be really great and confirming suspect as town and redirection our attention elsewhere wouldn't exactly suck either.

By the same logic we could just have everybody claim for Varsoon to tell us who two townies are. I am explicitly against running people up just for Varsoon to check their claims, If we're running people up its going to be with the intent to lynch or I'll throw a fit.

[Mirhawk]

Nah Wake is town

He is not.

He is. He's always this paranoid and unreasonable as town.

[Mirhawk]

I support the request for Kraska to claim. I don't think Kraska realises quite what the situation is here, if she doesn't claim she's toast as far as I'm concerned.

Would somebody rope this?

[Mirhawk]

Dunn why are you against a Kraska lynch today. What specifically in her demeanor made you think she was a bad lynch?

[implosion]

Varsoon obviously knows something we don't, so why doesn't Performer/kraska claim and we catch her if she's bullshiting? This way she has time to coordinate and discuss with her teammates if she's scum. Having another scum lynched at this point would be really great and confirming suspect as town and redirection our attention elsewhere wouldn't exactly suck either.

By the same logic we could just have everybody claim for Varsoon to tell us who two townies are. I am explicitly against running people up just for Varsoon to check their claims, If we're running people up its going to be with the intent to lynch or I'll throw a fit.

...What?

This is the way mafia is

normally

played on this site. We run someone up, they claim, we evaluate the claim, if the claim seems townish then we let them off the hook and look elsewhere.

Imagine you're playing the setup friends and enemies. On day one, you do not ask the masons to all claim immediately so that you can run up with intent to lynch rather than intent to check claims; you run someone up, and let them claim, and if they claim mason you save them for later or let an actual mason counterclaim to avoid lynching a mason by accident. This is effectively the same thing if Varsoon can actually confirm two people as town.

[Mirhawk]

Except if there isn't a town will to lynch Kras in the first place then there's no reason to run her up.

I obviously don't have a problem with running up a person then getting their claim before deciding what to do, I have a problem with running someone up just to get the claim. Varsoons potential information could be ANYONE in this town. There's not actually that great a chance that it's Kras, so counting on getting that information is foolish.

[implosion]

again,

...What?

There is literally nothing differentiating this situation from a typical situation of getting a claim before we lynch someone, except Varsoon saying that it's more important than usual. The strong and/or confirmable power roles in this game could be ANYONE. There's not actually that great a chance that it's Kras... but that doesn't mean that we aren't going to wait for a fucking claim.

I really don't understand what you're saying at all.

[Varsoon]

Okay, Mirhawk, let's say that your role tells you info that essentially says
"In this game, a town player is XXXX role."
You'd care about claims way more, right?

[Mirhawk]

Varsoon don't even. I understand precisely why you want claims before we lynch. That isn't a problem.

My problem is that some of the people in town (ie, Boem, house, 50) are treating this like some kind of reverse cop that Kras has to pass in order to not be scum.

I actually do think Kras is going to need to claim here, but I don't want this to turn into one of those stupid witchhunts where five more people are run up to get claims so they can be compared against whatever information you have.

[Mirhawk]

I'm mostly blaming Boem on this.

Implosion is just being obtuse, what I'm saying isn't complicated.

[Varsoon]

Oh if they're scummy and don't get saved by the claim, we lynch them dude.

[Mirhawk]

Why do I feel like people are trying to explain basic mafia theory to me when I'm not actually confused by anything.

[implosion]

Because the things that you're saying largely sound like they're coming from someone who doesn't understand basic mafia theory?

[Varsoon]