Open 642 - The Woodshed - Game Over

[mhsmith0]

Except that as a wolf, a no lynch advances my win con. So you're arguing that I'm faking frustration at an event that actually helps my win con. Walk me through this?

Ps wrt ranger you'd made an interesting case and I was thinking on it. But I didn't have any better votes, and I was still thinking it was likely ranger.

[mhsmith0]

smith - I want your tippity top pick for a wolf and then your secondary pick. as fast as possible preferably

Ranger still #1 guess

no real clue on the other. I basically have shit for town reads too, so no help on that end.

And I'm curious what happens w this wagon on me; maybe a wolf will do something dumb along the way. We'll see.

[mhsmith0]

Actually I'd still like anyone pushing on me to talk through their tonal read of my eod, either providing one or explaining why they don't want to. So far only Panther really has; Titus stated suspicion (based on 1181) was not tonal but rather about where I was pointing.

[PantherPunt]

Except that as a wolf, a no lynch advances my win con. So you're arguing that I'm faking frustration at an event that actually helps my win con. Walk me through this?

Ps wrt ranger you'd made an interesting case and I was thinking on it. But I didn't have any better votes, and I was still thinking it was likely ranger.

a mislynch furthers your wincon more than a no-lynch, no? so it's not hard to fake frustration. also makes no sense to me why you're taking this particular line - the line that "well as wolf I'm happy with no lynch so there" as a type of defense. rather than "I'm a villager and thought and still think wolf!Ranger so I wanted it to happen"

smith - I want your tippity top pick for a wolf and then your secondary pick. as fast as possible preferably

Ranger still #1 guess

no real clue on the other. I basically have shit for town reads too, so no help on that end.

And I'm curious what happens w this wagon on me; maybe a wolf will do something dumb along the way. We'll see.

if I told you I would vote you over Ranger, would that light a fire under your ass to do some digging and come up with a different counter wagon to start?

options I'd hear you out on today are btd, titus, and alpaca

[PantherPunt]

I need to be done with mafia for the day.

See yall tomorrow

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Fun facts:

- Alpaca was posting on this site sporadically today, chose not to check into this thread AT ALL today
- Panther was on this thread earlier today, and vanished when deadline hit
- Ranger/Xkfyu weren't on site anywhere today (though were Friday).

This is like the super example of what happens when towns stop giving a crap and ignore the thread around deadline. I'd love it if it was exactly a Panther/Alpaca team, because then at least I could say "good job wolves". Doubt that's the pair exactly though.

So starting with this I didn't see any posts I here because I didn't refresh near the end of the day because I was playing starbound. However if I was here I suppose I might have been convinced ro vote ranger my only issue is I don't think that I would be able to tell apart a ranger scum game or just a bad town game.

[mhsmith0]

Alpaca, what's your current opinion of me and why?

[AlpacaAlpaca]

How so? Admittedly, your reasons are bad, but how is this more than "I'm accusing you but I admit my reasons suck"? Walk me through how it "SCREAMS caught for the wrong reasons"?

You don't read this as an attempt to get information out of you?

Getting information = scumhunting.

Fixed that for you

[mhsmith0]

Also, who here would you be willing to lynch, and who wouldn't you be willing to?

[AlpacaAlpaca]

flailing, looking for something to attack. Scumhunting focuses more on the why than the minuatie. You're focus more on discrediting that you're caught than my reads as a whole.

How is my emphasis on finding stuff to attack as opposed to trying to understand where you're coming from?

Because you're not using this to sort my alignment and because you've never seen The Heat. Great movie. :-p

Curious, why is this relevant

[mhsmith0]

flailing, looking for something to attack. Scumhunting focuses more on the why than the minuatie. You're focus more on discrediting that you're caught than my reads as a whole.

How is my emphasis on finding stuff to attack as opposed to trying to understand where you're coming from?

Because you're not using this to sort my alignment and because you've never seen The Heat. Great movie. :-p

Curious, why is this relevant

? For me or Titus?

[AlpacaAlpaca]

hot take: smith and titus aren't w/w

What does this mean?

[AlpacaAlpaca]

flailing, looking for something to attack. Scumhunting focuses more on the why than the minuatie. You're focus more on discrediting that you're caught than my reads as a whole.

How is my emphasis on finding stuff to attack as opposed to trying to understand where you're coming from?

Because you're not using this to sort my alignment and because you've never seen The Heat. Great movie. :-p

Curious, why is this relevant

? For me or Titus?

I was wondering about titus brining up the heat

[AlpacaAlpaca]

why did you want to not vote ranger from the time you unvoted to the time you revoted?

[mhsmith0]

wrt ranger you'd made an interesting case and I was thinking on it. But I didn't have any better votes, and I was still thinking it was likely ranger.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

So you just unvoted to think more?

[mhsmith0]

a mislynch furthers your wincon more than a no-lynch, no? so it's not hard to fake frustration. also makes no sense to me why you're taking this particular line - the line that "well as wolf I'm happy with no lynch so there" as a type of defense. rather than "I'm a villager and thought and still think wolf!Ranger so I wanted it to happen"

In a world where I'm wolf and ranger is town, what furthers my win con much more than a ranger day 2 mislynch would be a day 2 no lynch, followed up by a day 3 ranger mislynch. If I'm a wolf, all things considered id prefer for ranger NOT to get lynched, because that means she has a green flip, and as her #1 read, I look bad. Moreover, she gets all of day 3 to push against me as confirmed town. Remember in last game where I said that wolf!you really wouldn't want ranger to be confirmed as town in LYLO? Similar logic applies.

Essentially, The argument I'm making is that my perspective and frustration at EOD was pretty clearly inconsistent with a wolf perspective, unless you think I was faking it. So if you think I'm a wolf, then either I really was frustrated (even though wolf!me ought to be perfectly content with getting a free n2 prime before continuing the ranger push d3), or you think I was faking it. Like, those are the only two options that I can see as at all reasonable w a wolf read on me.

And since we now have a good number of people who ARE reading me as wolf, I want them to commit to opinions and reads on this. I want this before I move on elsewhere.

[mhsmith0]

So you just unvoted to think more?

Basically. I was also about to go on like a 10 hour flight, and figured it'd make sense to re-evaluate after letting it rattle around for a while.

And then after I got back I started to try and re-evaluate, including asking questions if a bunch of different people, which is something i do sometimes when I'm unsure and trying to sort things.

After all that, ranger was still my best guess, and it was getting closer to eod, so I settled there. I figured that people would be around at eod in case there was a good reason to try a cfd, but as it turned out, no one showed up.

[AlpacaAlpaca]

First I have to agree with Smith on it being better for him to get a no lynch than a mislynch on ranger.
Second I am going to go back and review the Scumhunting you did in between the unvote and vote and see how I'm feeling than on your alignment

[Quaroath]

Vote count 3.1

mhsmith - (3) Titus, Ranger, BTD6_maker
Not Voting - (5) DrippingGoofball, mhsmith, PantherPunt, Xkfyu, AlpacaAlpaca

With 8 eligible to vote, is takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is @ 8/9 @ 10pm PST

[Titus]

Hey Panther. Hiii.

[PantherPunt]

Hey Panther. Hiii.

Did you just figure out I'm in the game

[PantherPunt]

Also, who here would you be willing to lynch, and who wouldn't you be willing to?

Alpaca - for someone who was beating the "you ignored my question" drum......

I'd like to know this as well. As long with a brief as you'd like explanation for each name you throw out, just so long as I can see what your reason is

hot take: smith and titus aren't w/w

What does this mean?

w=wolf. vernacular thing for me being used to calling mafia/scum wolves. so not w/w means not scum/scum. you could probably get that from the context of my post where I said it's not theatrical distancing and I can rule out them being the team

a mislynch furthers your wincon more than a no-lynch, no? so it's not hard to fake frustration. also makes no sense to me why you're taking this particular line - the line that "well as wolf I'm happy with no lynch so there" as a type of defense. rather than "I'm a villager and thought and still think wolf!Ranger so I wanted it to happen"

In a world where I'm wolf and ranger is town, what furthers my win con much more than a ranger day 2 mislynch would be a day 2 no lynch, followed up by a day 3 ranger mislynch. If I'm a wolf, all things considered id prefer for ranger NOT to get lynched, because that means she has a green flip, and as her #1 read, I look bad. Moreover, she gets all of day 3 to push against me as confirmed town. Remember in last game where I said that wolf!you really wouldn't want ranger to be confirmed as town in LYLO? Similar logic applies.

Essentially, The argument I'm making is that my perspective and frustration at EOD was pretty clearly inconsistent with a wolf perspective, unless you think I was faking it. So if you think I'm a wolf, then either I really was frustrated (even though wolf!me ought to be perfectly content with getting a free n2 prime before continuing the ranger push d3), or you think I was faking it. Like, those are the only two options that I can see as at all reasonable w a wolf read on me.

And since we now have a good number of people who ARE reading me as wolf, I want them to commit to opinions and reads on this. I want this before I move on elsewhere.

guess it's just a difference in our perspectives as wolf. I don't ever ever think someone's green flip is going to make me look bad. I'm sometimes (and at some streaky times, you could say: frequently) aggressively wrong as town so why fear aggressively pushing a mislynch as mafia? big weakness of a lot of players who are normally strong-willed and self-assured is turning into a mamby pamby pussy as a wolf because they're afraid of looking bad for a mislynch

[PantherPunt]

in fewer words, I'm not a bitch

[PantherPunt]

First I have to agree with Smith on it being better for him to get a no lynch than a mislynch on ranger.
Second I am going to go back and review the Scumhunting you did in between the unvote and vote and see how I'm feeling than on your alignment

when you doin that