Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

[Luna Fox]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... ation_Bias

[mhsmith0]

I SAID NO MORE WALLS

VOTE: Thor

@thor: you think karnos wolf bro shamelessly tosses on a "screw you" vote right after you start to push karnos? I have limited meta w kts (we were both in mass effect Mafia but I wasn't reading the game all that closely tbh); you know him well enough to comment on if this is his relatively normal wolf meta?

[mhsmith0]

with that based on what ive seen its karnos and KTL for the scumteam secondary scummy reads on luna and GT (gut mainly)

ANNNNNNND

VOTE: KTS

We real now

pedit: now that you mention that and transcend is not far off of making the list either.

If you think I'm scum, why not just hammer me, why you going for a new wagon instead? Or at least, why not show intent to hammer?

On the other hand... Discrediting someone voting kts. Notable.

[mhsmith0]

weird that everyones suddenly concerned about niceness in mafia....last time I checked pot-stirring was a surefire way to agitate scum into revealing themselves. Making people emotional makes them less calculated. Making them less calculated makes them more likely to slip and reveal their alignment. It's a good thing. And if we all say nothing personal and hug after the game's over, no harm done, right? Look at how KTS is reacting right now, there's a lot there.

VOTE: killthestory

Rosske pushing a new possible counter wagon to karnos here.

[mhsmith0]

Here
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8126494
Karnos has a lot to say, none of it relating to the KTS case / wagon (even though for survivalism sake it'd make sense to push or at least test it normally). A moment that is suggestive of a kts or rosske buddy.

[Luna Fox]

Here
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8126494
Karnos has a lot to say, none of it relating to the KTS case / wagon (even though for survivalism sake it'd make sense to push or at least test it normally). A moment that is suggestive of a kts or rosske buddy.

Uhh do you think Scum!Rosske doesnt pay attention to the votes on his buddy? Because he literally came in calling me conf town just coz the mod messed up the vote order and put me as the first voter.

[Transcend]

i am a

one-time 6x voter

once during the course of the entire day, my vote will have a net value of 6.

i'm about to use it on luna fox, any objections will be ignored.

[Thor665]

@thor: you think karnos wolf bro shamelessly tosses on a "screw you" vote right after you start to push karnos? I have limited meta w kts (we were both in mass effect Mafia but I wasn't reading the game all that closely tbh); you know him well enough to comment on if this is his relatively normal wolf meta?

I don't know his meta from a hole in the wall.
His attack over the walls was laughably bad regardless of his alignment, I spent more time being amazed that someone liked it (Luna or Tenshii if I recall correctly, I forget which).
I don't see it as particularly evident of non scum/scum interaction though.

[Tenshii]

@Transcend At this point, you should totes restate your case on Luna. Your last x posts are "lets lynch luna" or something or other and no one is buying it. I also do think at this point you have conf bias.

[Transcend]

Vlog plz

I'll (maybe) restate my case when i get home.

[Transcend]

Actually i have a feeling this guy is manipulating all of us.

VOTE: mhsmith0

[Transcend]

His posts in p52 are icky >:(

[Transcend]

I'll delve more into this when i get home, but for now I'm parking my vote here.

[Transcend]

K can someone just hammer.

[Transcend]

Wrong thread apologies

[mhsmith0]

Actually i have a feeling this guy is manipulating all of us.

VOTE: mhsmith0

Let's see what the quote machine has to say about this gem

So, now that the AAR is here:

Saying something "just feels" some way indicates that you want your audience to believe something, but you are unwilling / unable to back it up with a sound assessment.

People who are invested in learning more about other players spend a lot of time looking at things from different angles. Sure, they can have blind spots, but "just feels" is not acceptable to soneone making an effort to learn.

Since mafia already know the truth, they aren't able to make genuine discovery, only simulate it. "Just feels" is sometimes as far as they can get, because they are trying to spin doctor.

...

Smith, you imo fell flat on your face after the mission 1 dipole. You had plenty of time to get your head in the townie space, but instead took the bait of decrying me as a spy. I'm sure it looked pretty forced.

Fare well and good luck.

Still, it'll be interesting to see if there's anything backing up the "feeling". Impress us transcend!

[tojam2]

Killthestory L-4 - Rosske, gigabyte, mhsmith0, Luna Fox

Ok so

@mod: First of all Tenshii's also voting KTS, 2nd of all that makes it L-4 you're putting the ammount of votes not L-X

I'll blame it on jetlag(I was only in Dublin then :/).

VC Day 2 - 2

PhantomCobalt L-3 - Killthestory, Io, Tenshii, Rosske
Luna Fox L-3 - Killthestory, Transcend, PhantomCobalt
Killthestory L-4 - gigabyte, Luna Fox

(expired on 2016-08-09 10:40:00)

@Mod: This VC is also wrong KTS appears twice

There's 3 wagons, PC, Me and KTS (KTS was actually voting PC and not me).
This eventually makes it more like
PC > Io, Tenshii, Roske
Me > Transcend, PC
KTS > Giga, Me
Transcend > KTS

You seem to be rather rattled by a single vote.

Like I said, I'm in another country and working from a pad of paper and my mobile.

[tojam2]

VC Day 2 - 3

PhantomCobalt L-3 - Io, Tenshii, Rosske
Luna Fox L-5 - PhantomCobalt
Killthestory L-3 - gigabyte, Luna Fox, Thor665
Transcend L-5 - Killthestory
mhsmith0 L-5 - Transcend


(expired on 2016-08-09 10:40:00)

[Io]

VC Day 1 - 3

karnos L-3 - Io, Thor665, gigabyte
Thor665 L-3 - Killthestory, Transcend, Rosske
Io L-5 - karnos

(expired on 2016-07-29 16:30:00)

Fun question: why was scum!karnos not on the Thor counter wagon here? The lazy answer is Thor is his buddy. The more plausible answer is one of:

1) karnos buddy already on Thor wagon, dont want to push together
2) karnos didn't want to active push the Thor mislynch wagon, wanted to park his vote elsewhere while continuing his back and forth

Because he was hardcore pissed off at me when I accused him.

[mhsmith0]

But I don't really see how his point is valid as he just said I was lying which I don't even see what I was lying about since he didn't really point it out clearly. The closest thing I can see where he gets the "I'm a liar" part from is where I was saying what I thought his intentions with his posts were which wouldn't even be a lie as it's just interpretation as I don't see him having very high town motivations with them. Even if I was stretching that a little bit

It kind of sounds like you are lying again.

" he didn't really point it out clearly"

Specifically, you said "claiming to have never pushed for his lynched"

Please, show me where I claimed to never push for Thor's lynch. Please do. You can't, because it's a lie. I never made such a claim.

Does anyone else think I was really being unclear? Is Io being dumb, or scum?

This is hard-core pissed off?

[Io]

Yeah, I mean his whole reaction to it was so blown up even in that quote you can see he's basically just denoted it to calling me a liar. He was quite suborn for some time that he just wasn't going to vote anyone but me.

[mhsmith0]

Well, yes, he was stubborn. The question is whether this stubbornness was some kind of emotional thing or a strategic thing. Barring evidence of it being emotional I'm inclined to see it as strategic and meaningful. Why (other than that he was being stubborn) do you see it as emotional?

[Thor665]

I don't see Karnos' attitude towards Io and vice versa as scum theatre.

[mhsmith0]

Agreed. I'm trying to figure out how meaningful that moment from karnos was, when he (as a wolf) elected NOT to push on KTS, even though KTS was the counter-wagon gaining momentum. It's possible it was as simple as not wanting to be called out for bandwagoning, but even there if KTS was town I'd have expected to at least see some kind of soft push or something trying to deflect the momentum that way, barring some other good reason not to do so. And I'm not sure "karnos was super pissed off" is necessarily either true or an adequate explanation. Thoughts?

[Transcend]

on second thought never mind

i need to stop posting the moment i wake up

VOTE: Luna Fox