Newbie 1730 - To The North (Game Over)

[Transcend]

This just in: i got bum fucked by karnos when he was scum. I'm gonna have to be extra careful about him. >:(

[Joushi]

Agreed.

Dearest IV,

young man

, I am releasing my bony fingers your neck. You have flopped around enough to prove you have a moderate amount of righteousness. You are free, for now.

His reaction to the wagon was a bit flaily but I think its a combination of being brainwashed by em theory and playing a newbie game with people who arent necessarily newbies.

vote: soula

IV should be watched

Holy. There are players who have playstyles I dislike, but I think yours takes the cake. Your vocabulary flops around a lot, as does your use of punctuation. You use weird metaphors, and why in the world is "young man" italicized? None of that has much to do with actual Mafia, more to do with how annoying, bizarre, and distasteful I find your writing style.

Everything in the last few pages is dumb and probably ought to be ignored. This is what happens when I don't bring sense to this nonsense. Nobody has anything in terms of evidence. Nobody is at all guaranteed to be any alignment except yourself. Stop spreading bad theory plz.

The notion of rationality and evidence from ms players always amused me. Perception will always be a shifting variable. Nobody is outright scumclaiming. Scumslips are rare. As long as people play to their win condition, any "evidence" someone offers is just going to be their own perspective. What matters is making people agree and see your perspective, your content doesnt matter so much (unfortunately this is just a facet of human nature!). Wall to wall interactions are especially low brow as far as the art of this game goes. If you are tunneling someone, you have nothing too gain by removing yourself from a position of superiority and bringing yourself down to the level of a pedant.

I personally believe intuition is nearly everything in this game! Intuition is just a deeper form of logic you cant really cognate consciously. Well, a few can. Some of the best players on MS are right-brained powehouses (say...faraday, fate), and know how the game works on a social level in a way that the left-brained players here (the majority imo) have a hard time conceiving. In many cases, there are much more subtle things going on than these players can imagine.

dat tangent

You've done this a couple of times now, where you try and put yourself in a position to just kind of pat the rest of us on the head and go "oh you're so naive", and it's driving the rest of us crazy. You're making weird appeals to some form of spirituality and pseudoscience, and it really doesn't help most of what you say.

"What matters is making people agree and see your perspective"
This is like the first thing you've said that I can give any credence to, and then you follow it up by just saying "oh it's ok that you will never understand, why can't everybody just be as smart as I am?" It's almost like you're trying to get us to disagree with everything you say via indirect insults. I'm doing my best to actually still read what you're posting, but you're actively going about telling people you're not going to provide evidence after making generalized statements.

Lastly, I particularly despise your appeal to WIFOM in this post. You previously mention that many players "flail" about, and yet "if everybody plays to their win condition" (plays perfectly), then nothing actually means anything ever. It's WIFOM. It's very rare for people to use this in a way that's pro-town, and this is no exception.

Overall your play is just so incredibly anti-town, on top of everything else I've said previously, that I just want to see you gone.
VOTE: Enefpe

Why is soula treating me like i abused him in a past life its weird af. I dont even want to address such an aggressive tonality. To say i havent been doing townie things and am some evil scum mastermind / evil evil man who believes in the power of intuition (apparently i cant be reasoned with, either) ergo im bad at mafia as well. So im scum and a terrible person, apparently.

my dudes i meditate my heart chakra is taking a beating here

I don't even want to address such a condescending tonality, yet I have to.

Not related to the quote above, but aren't you supposed to be V/LA? Camping even? Why is it that are you suddenly orders of magnitude more active in the period where you're not even supposedly going to be regularly posting?

[ironstove]

I thought enf might be playing cop poorly but iso'ing his posts that's not the case, he's not cop.

[fiddlercrabontheroof]

Well, this has certainly been an.... interesting game to replace into.

After reading, I have to say no one particularly jumps out as scum to me. I know this is D1, so there's not a lot to go on. A lot of the scum reads are based on some odd reasoning, like voting the IC for explaining theory (?????) or not having same reads, but a lot of it seems to be noob behavior so that in itself doesn't lead to too much of a scum read. Like countless players before have said, just because a post is anti-town, doesn't mean the player is scum, so that's why my reads aren't solid now.
Here are my thoughts so far on the players:
Skold- nulltown, I like his posts, but ISO shows they're shallow in terms of actual scum hunting so far.
EnT- null, posts like a dickhead, but that alone isn't scummy. almost no content, but stimulates a lot of reaction. Could be intentional, which would makes me lean town, but not sure yet.
Karnos- null, dislike the vote with little reasoning (common thread so far tbh) but nothing seems super scummy yet
Joushi- town, i like his posting, his point by point/referencing style is very town to me, although i realize play styles aren't a great indicator.
Stove- still mulling about him, tbh. seems townish to me, but that abrupt shift in play style is odd to me. curious for other's thoughts.
Transend- same as karnos tbh.
Soula- their voting habits makes me think on the scummy side, she seems to shift it very quickly for arbitrary reasons

IMO, if we can't decide on a solid lynch, I think we should vote the lurky players so we can at least get a flip and hopefully figure out if there's a scum PR or not. Although, my slot looks to have been the least active, so maybe I shouldn't be pushing that lmao

[Transcend]

K still p sure iron karnos joushi and skold are town.

Iv needs rope. Now.

[ironstove]

What happens if we lynch our IC? Is that like killing jesus?

[ironstove]

I think Soula is more scummy than IV, I still am not sensing a heavy scum read from IV. I'm getting more towny vibes from Karnos and Skold.

[innocentvillager]

What happens if we lynch our IC? Is that like killing jesus?

Lol definitely not. Treat me as you would any other player in the game.

The point is, someone has to provide the newbies with truthful theory guidance. It definitely shouldn't be the mod's job, so it's the job of one of the players. I am that player who you can always count on to never lie to you about theory.

Besides that, I am just a normal player. If you think I am scum, vote me. If you don't think I am scum, don't vote me. It's that simple.

[innocentvillager]

This just in: i got bum fucked by karnos when he was scum. I'm gonna have to be extra careful about him. >:(

K still p sure iron karnos joushi and skold are town.

Iv needs rope. Now.

soda what happened to karnos between this time

[innocentvillager]

Also how sure are you that I'm scum

Like what's the probability I flip scum in your mind

You don't even engage me with reasoning anymore when I've asked for it like 5 times so I've given up on that for you

Are you so confident that you'd be willing to selfvote on D2 for it

Just curious.

[Joushi]

IMO, if we can't decide on a solid lynch, I think we should vote the lurky players so we can at least get a flip and hopefully figure out if there's a scum PR or not. Although, my slot looks to have been the least active, so maybe I shouldn't be pushing that lmao

IV is conspicuously absent from this post. Could you give us your thoughts there?

[Transcend]

Anyways iv, two fold

1. Are you from EM? You've referred to me as "soda" aka the name I'm more well known by on that website as opposed to this one in several posts. If yes, who are you? If I know you I'll take account into any meta I may or may not have with you on that website to here and it might help your case.

2. The reason I'm tunneling you so hard is for 3 reasons.

a. Your instant, opportunistic push on karnos that doesn't look genuine.
b. Your tone when EnT said that he townread Skold. This seriously sounded like you were more upset that he TR'd him over you. Town shouldn't care if they're townread or not.
c. You have been flailing this entire day. Everything you say reeks of scum.

As for karnos, I've been fucked by him once, but for now I'm taking a gamble and marking him as light town but sleeping with one eye open. He's nowhere near as strong of a townread as say, IronStove, Joushi, Skold right now.

[innocentvillager]

omg you've finally finally given a case no matter how minimalist and flimsy instead of yelled/AtE'd at me

this is a start soda, this is a start.

Will respond tomorrow, need some sleep but wanted to congratulate you for finally doing something protown

[Elitism]

thanks

i guess

pretty sure i made those points earlier but

what

ever

[Transcend]

thanks

i guess

pretty sure i made those points earlier but

what

ever

mine

[ironstove]

Why do you have multiple MS accounts?

[Transcend]

Hydra.

Sometimes people play games with multiple people in the same slot.

It's a fairly common thing here.

[Xalxe]

Vote Count 1.9

I don't have eyes in the back of my head. That's where my teeth are.

Enefpe no Time (3)

: Skold, Joushi, Soula

karnos (2)

: innocentvillager, ironstove

innocentvillager (1)

: Transcend

Soula (1)

: Enefpe no Time

Not Voting

: fiddlercrabontheroof, karnos

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-08-14 09:17:39)

Soula has requested replacement.

[Elitism]

innocentvillager (1): Transcend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o9gf_soFBM

[karnos]

{Soula, innocentvillager, Enefpe} There has to be at least one scum hiding among these, maybe two.

[Elitism]

nah enepfe is troll town

fiddler dude might be scum haven't read enough into him yet.

[Transcend]

innocentvillager (1): Transcend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o9gf_soFBM

nah enepfe is troll town

fiddler dude might be scum haven't read enough into him yet.

MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry about all the hydra posts i need to be more conscious.

[karnos]

Use a different browser for your hydra.

[Skold]

Why I am not surprised Transcend's hydra is called Elitism?

[Enefpe no Time]

Youre like 15 pipe down. So is soula genuinely replacing out because i read that as a little town. Watching her lose her spaghetti was moderately townish.

unvote

Stove-senpai -town
Karnage - minimalist town
So u lala - probably town for reasons stated above
Tran 'has never won a gold' scend - town
Fiddler - liking this dude, well reasoned. I bet he's a libra. - town

Leaves me with skold, my read has changed on him, i see him running a lot of interference and being genuinely subversive.

Joushi is growing on me like that younger awkward nephew you have who is a shut-in and plays nothing but 2d anime romance text games. Awkward but lovable. Im seeing him as less scummy and more just left brained with an inclination towards speficities.

I have been less than impressed with IV since his grilling and he seems to have dropped off the map a little bit since some of the pressure on him died down. His response to transcend is very much coming from the mentality of feigned anger and like trying to point a finger at transcend's play. Also that condescending overtone is used by scum alot "ohhhh nice case bub, you finally did SOMETHING right" lots of tonal shifts from iv this game. Im fairly confident in my reads atm.

vote: innocentvillager