Kids TV Show Characters Mafia - Endgame

[Fox McCloud]

oh and the waco wagon is awful

awful

bad bad BAD

so you think MJ, as scum, claimed something that gives them mod confirmation........?

[MagnaofIllusion]

no it doesn't, theres subtle (but fundamental) differences here

depending on playstyle, scumhunting can be mostly introspective and you won't see the VAST majority of what's going on in someone's head (that's certainly the case w me, i estimate you probably see only a tenth of what i think in this thread in a typical game)

the posts i quoted shows that camn could be thinking about reads. so i don't look at camn's posting and think "i can definitively say they AREN'T scumhunting."

[Fox McCloud]

also bro is town wow that was easy

it's awesome and refreshing that bro doesn't live in a black-in-white world and seems to actually get the nature of this game

but i haven't gotten the town vibes

i asked luna to double check me and she said she got a mild town read so i don't know what i'm doing wrong b/c nothing he's said so far is really resonating with me

is there some meta component you're working off of ceph? b/c i admittedly have only spotty experience w bro.

[Cephrir]

sort of, but i can't really explain it.

[Cephrir]

also i probably don't feel as strong about it as that sounded, but strength of townreads is a nebulous concept

[kdowns]

Jesus Christ. Can we please just Lynch DS. He keeps getting more scummy. And I hate how I have to spend minutes trying to determine if posts are sarcastic or not.

Also Transcend. How did you come to those reads/

[keyenpeydee]

Jesus Christ. Can we please just Lynch DS. He keeps getting more scummy. And I hate how I have to spend minutes trying to determine if posts are sarcastic or not.

Also Transcend. How did you come to those reads/

I would definitely agree with a DS lynch since every time we keep on getting back and forth with him. But camntsuki, maybe for all of you, looks good for a lynch.

I may just be sheeping, not really sheeping but I would get all of your ideas and figure it out.

[Fox McCloud]

keyen is starting to display that newb card pretty strongly and often.
I'd expect less complaining about not knowing what's going on or what to do and more actually trying.

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

There's some cog dis between 1358 and 1359 If your read changed why didn't you unvote right there? why did you even vote them in the first place at the end of the previous post? I have a hard time at seeing how your thought process changed your read between those 2 posts, in addition 1361 feels like a cop out =/ considering i've been having the opposite problem (too few ppl feel like obvtown)

-Luna

[Fox McCloud]

Also the 2nd post was made like 4-5 minutes after the first, like what the hell changed your read from "Im voting this person" to "i dont think he's scum"

-Luna

[Grib]

I had a free moment, so I went through literally all of camntsuki's posts. Whee.

Spoiler: mafia obsession

sheeping riplop

vote: junkies

RVS, who cares.

hey guys!
I am so sorry....I didn't know this game had started.
I haven't read a word, I will start now!

Mildly confusing, but then I realized this is probably the other head.

ok.
that was a pretty dull 24 pages.

farside, cheetory, and Ceph are town .
diamondsentinel, grib, and Keyen are all scum and/or intolerable.

but the MOST intolerable?

unvote

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

I keep odd hours... so I'm going to sleep now.
well...soon.

but our lurky phase is over. sorry again.

Almost 600 posts at this point, and this is the result of their catchup. Immediate dislike.

Unexplained reads, unexplained vote, and their scumreads are borderline "do not like"/policy votes, if anything.

all that Shiz with DS asking for Miller claims was scummy af.
everything Grib posts makes we feel like I wanna take a shower.
and Keyen is maybe just a newb... but if he lives to endgame

we, the town, lose this game

. regardless of his alignment. And if he IS town, which I doubt, he never eats a night kill for us. He just gets mislynched in Lylo.

This is probably camntsuki's best post out of their entire ISO, in terms of actually presenting what they're thinking and elaborating on reads.

Doesn't really go into the scum motivation for asking for a Miller claim. The read on me is white noise. The Keyen read is awkward, fence-sitty, and reads as "Keyen should die but I don't want to be held accountable for his flip." The "we, the town" line is SUPER forced here. Read the sentence out loud to yourself, it's palpable.

Also your catchup helps us learn precisely nil about your thought process and how you arrived at the reads you have. Your keyen read is incredibly fencesitty.

Don't really care about you understanding my thoughts, scum. And you used this line already this game. Think up some other way to try and fakehunt.

This is a post I have a hard time believing comes from town in their position. They're late, make a really short, vague catchup post, and are incredibly certain I'm scum for...no reason. "I don't want to talk to you because you're scum" is just BS excuse not to engage with me. I don't believe for a second this is a real read.

Got prodded during my vla!

Also just looking at grib's 593 he can hang for that

I'll pull up 593 for reference:

Also your catchup helps us learn precisely nil about your thought process and how you arrived at the reads you have. Your keyen read is incredibly fencesitty.

camntsuki thinks I deserve to be lynched for stating an objective fact about their catchup post. I have a hard time seeing that kind of justification coming from town.

hey, Grib!
I just woke up, and I see you have a lot to say to me. I also see you are jumping on the Snarky wagon, but if you wanna buss, I won't stop you.
We can work together for now.

Ceph, we are finally on the same page. I love it. don't let my other head rub you wrong this game!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SnarkySnowman

oh PS-
Keyen: Call me a bitch again. I dare you.

And now they're voting with me? No mention of their read on SS here. And claiming I'm bussing based on...no reason. I'm starting to see a common theme here. camntsuki can pretty much post empty noise and several players are letting them get away with it for...meta reasons, I guess. I hate metareads when they're used to defend awful play.

@cheetory
I can get behind a snowman lynch.
I think I am town reading Medical though. I'll need a reread, though. I got a late start on this game.

p-edit: I'm a surprising person, and you are taking to to same me you thought.

They can get behind an SS lynch for...no reason.

I'm scumreading them by this point, in case I forgot to mention that. Actually, I've been scumreading them since their trash "grib is scum let's ignore him" post. I don't care about the read on me specifically, my dislike solely stems from the combination of their certainty in the read AND failure to elaborate on it at all, at any point, ever.

whatever.

Response to me suggesting I was going to vig them. Weird. I'd expect them to make a jab about me NK'ing them instead of vigging them, or something. Frustrated that I might be a provable town PR?

ha ha. Viking.
I am sure you meant VIGGING.
And certainly I agree.

Agreeing with Ceph, but Ceph kind of irritates me so I don't care.

Sorry Ceph. Maybe I'll like you more once you start killing scum.

I'd like to see you squirm. That's why you get our vote.

Okay, a reason [for voting SS]. Not an especially good one, since. They're just leaving their vote on SS and not doing anything else to actually make them squirm.

Real Townies use lynches to kill people.

Hating on Vig kills. Probably doesn't mean anything, but hey.

Still scumreading them, btw.

can we lynch mj now? please

I am starting to get a lean that way...Lets see what they have to say catch up wise.

They are leaning that way for...no reason.

Ok, Nacho.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DiamondSentinel

Shit.

Ok, Nacho.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DiamondSentinel

Response to Nacho defending SS. No reasons given for hopping onto DS.

Please.
Its just a myth that I am obv obv all the time.
I get mislyched every other game.

Man, I want to snark here, but I should probably keep it civil.

Hey- Anyone up for MASS FLAVORCLAIMING?

I would like that.

why not, sentinel?

Boring.

You should never trust nacho. He is SO good as scum now, its unreal.

Back in the day, it seemed like I could nail nacho as scum EVERY TIME.
But since I came back, he is a mystery. Maybe it's me, but I think he just got crazy good.

Eh. Pointlessly fearmongering Nacho when I jokingly said I wanted to trust him unconditionally.

IS FARSIDE VOTING US?

FUCKING LOL THIS GAME

I don't get the special emphasis on farside.

FOR THE RECORD

ANYONE WHO VOTES US IS SCUM

Bad, bad, bad.

protecting town? wtf?
Don't be silly. We protect no one at this point in the game. You are all f-ing suspect.

also- nobody "thinks" they are town. You read your PM, and you know.

p-edit.
We don't give a shit about "projecting" town.
I can town it up, and eat the fucking Night-1 kill any day of the week. And it is stupid and I hate it.

Yes, town know they are town. They also have a certain conviction that shows when they believe someone is scum, and pushes their lynch. Scum have a hard time faking that conviction. Voting and pushing cases and throwing around words is easy, but /actually being convinced/ that someone is scum is harder to fake.

Which is why I'm constantly asking for REASONS for reads. If town don't have to give reasons and be held accountable for them, then neither do scum.

But this is getting into theory and you've already established that this isn't the time or place.

I will give you a dollar if you eat the N1 kill.

I did last game. Which informs my play on this game.

Also projecting town is pretty damn important.

I actually disagree.
People who "project town" end up dead, mostly. And most endgames are a bunch of lurkertown and a bunch of scumzors, and the games suck and scum win.

But whatever. Keep giving me advice on my play, if you want. I'll keep rolling my eyes, and my other head will CERTAINLY ignore it. Meanwhile you distract the town from any actual scumhunting, which is the whole point of this line of discussion, I am sure.

Meanwhile... hm. I hope I'm voting for this new guy, DiamondSentinel, cuz he is scum. Oh good, I am.

"I want to be scummy on purpose so that I don't get shot by the mafia." What? That's terrible play.

Claims I'm distracting the town from scumhunting (lol), but looking at camntsuki's posts, I have to wonder:

what

scumhunting? I see next to none of it coming from them.

Another read sans explanation.

Dear townies.

This game is already intolerable, and it's only day 1.
Please, for Cheetory, lets purge.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: GRIB

Yawn.

You will never lynch me.

lets just do it, Bro. We already lost Cheetory to replacement and Katsuki to power-lurking.... Who is next?

Plus, its 70-30 they are scum, and its Day 1 anyway, so wgaf?!

Encouraging a policy lynch. Ew ew ew.

Does anyone actually believe that camntsuki thinks I'm scum? Or that their reads are anything but white noise?

JFC THEY ARE BOTH SO SCUMMY!

I know but he is trying to change!

These posts don't seem important or relevant to anything, so skipping commentary on them.

GRIB NEEDS DEATH

THE FACT THAT
OUR SLOT AND BROSEIDON AGREE ON THIS ONE TRUTH
IS ALL THE REASON REQUIRED FOR ROPE

Boring fluff.

Is Farside saying we are lurking now??

w/e. I'm going to bed, but if this wagon builds steam:
We are Clifford, The big Red Dog, and we are Vanilla.

g'night! Lynch us if you want!

VT claim, fake blase invitation to lynch them. Obviously, we know they flip the fuck out some more later at the wagon on them.

MOI is literally the worst player to have ever graced this site what a fucking surprise he's voting us

Grib is still scum and needs death this wagon on us is horrendous.

The fact that MOI is voting us should be enough to modconfirm our slot as town.

Flaming/mudslinging, dropping the "go ahead and lynch us" facade.

Literally nothing in any of their posts thus far has made me stop and think "town?" Could be confirmation bias, but like. Even if I squint, there's /very/ little I like. I'm talking microscopic.

Seconded.

At first I thought katsuki was just like this in AvF. I now see it's a general trend.

I had a genuine right to be angry in that game when I would have carried the town if not for kondiklick LOLBOMBING 3 RL days into the game.

Talking about another game, zzz.

MOI is literally the worst player to have ever graced this site what a fucking surprise he's voting us

Grib is still scum and needs death this wagon on us is horrendous.

The fact that MOI is voting us should be enough to modconfirm our slot as town.

Fake outrage is boring ...

4 more votes people!

eat a bag of dicks you shit excuse of a mafia player

Flaming.

I think my partner doesn't like him.

also...
for real, please lynch us. pay attention to our wagon after the flip.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: camntsuki

Frankly, this is the first reasonable thing they've said all game.

sorry nacho... it's already there. I don't even know why, but it rubbed me wrong from the beginning...and I'm the NICE one!

Eh, I have nothing nice to say to this, so.

sorry nacho... it's already there. I don't even know why, but it rubbed me wrong from the beginning...and I'm the NICE one!

If the game's reached a level of toxicity where the game is no longer enjoyable, better to replace out or power lurk, take some time off; no reason to actively push for a lynch that hurts the town.

Powerlurking until the scumfucks+MOI die off is optimal, but the other head dislikes lurking and would rather see us dead than me lurk so!

The game is probably toxic because you flipped out over almost getting lynched and started name-calling.

Just saying.

Ok. That self-vote deserves a lynch with fire.


Town should NEVER EVER SELF VOTE.

Policy lynch us then.
You will get our townflip, and we will but this game in our rearview.
I'm giving you the extra vote... if you have the juice, get it done!

Just please, god, make today end.

I will hammer Grib, DS or Snarky.
Katz will Hammer MOI, or probably anyone else except Nacho. Put them at L-1 and we will do the work.

Eh, encouraging your own lynch is wine. Especially when you're flipping from inviting people to lynch you, to screaming about how everyone on your wagon is scum, to voting yourself.

PS, Ceph- I love you. For real.

Which makes your relationship with this hydra pretty complicated

Blah.

jfc, I just looked at the people on our wagon.

I gotta write this down, for posterity:

DiamondSentinel, farside22, MagnaofIllusion, Waco Kid, Grib, keyenpeydee

Farside I like for town.
That's about it.

Going to motivations, Three of those 6 I named early on as scummy and/or useless.
One apparently has some longstanding issues with Katz.
Then there is farside, who I have always wanted to have a slumber party with, but our time has never come.
Don't know what Waco Kid's problem is... I think Nacho might be onto something- he is just opportunistic scum.

I'm feeling pretty good about the utility of this wagon- Anyone else wanna jump on? Anyone wanna join this distinguished group of players? It's easy! I am LITERALLY asking for the rope!

"These people I gave empty scumreads on are voting me, which means I'm right!" More self-campaigning. Yawn.

That's what I am saying.
Considering my first post was attacking half our wagon, I fail to see how this is OMGUS.

Already shot this down.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Waco Kid

Yuck.

I think the reason I don't want to vote Waco is because it's being pushed by people who aren't town enough. Without checking offsite, I have a light meta townread on Waco. Would like him to be a bit more active, though.

incredibly dumb, unproductive, not to mention frustrating

Also listen- because I am only going to say this once.
I am a volatile, emotional player. My other half is as well.

But

we win

a lot

of games. Sometimes by luck, sometimes not.
And we don't need mid-game advice... especially not from you.
You wanna talk after? Start a mafia discussion thread. In fact, there ALREADY IS ONE. I started it myself years ago. Until then, you are just another scumzor in our way.

@Moi- You don't have the votes.
I agree about my partner, though..he is prickly at times. It's part of his genius.

I genuinely dislike your playstyle, if you are town. One of your heads say you get mislynched often, and I can see why.

More mudslinging me for...no reason. Shocking.

please let this be real. please let this be real. please let this be real. please let this be real.

I know, I was disappointed too.

god I have to keep playing after all.
where is imperium and Ceph?
I need to get back to basics and build a real townbloc.

I'm no psychic, but I'm going to guess that this "townbloc" is just gonna be a bunch of names with no reasoning at all given.

oh good.

tentative townbloc:

brosioden.
farside
Ceph
imperium
hiplop
fox mccloud
medical junkies
cheetory slot?

lynch the rest.

(Yeah, I cheated with that guess, but come on. It was obvious.)

The only way I could ever buy that this slot is town is if they were playing too badly to be scum, or something. "blah blah where's the scum motivation" is a junk question. I can't explain why scum would play like they are, but it makes LESS sense to me coming from town. Therefore, scumread.

[Grib]

Hm.

I /think/ one thing I like is the comment about how they feel they should be confirmed town because Magna voted for them. It seemed genuine.

Eh.

Also there's a contradiction in there where I say "where's the scum motivation" is a junk question, but in the spoiler I criticize camntsuki for not elaborating on the scum motivation for asking fora Miller claim. That can be ignored, or replaced with "elaborate on why this is scummy" or whatever.

[keyenpeydee]

There's some cog dis between 1358 and 1359 If your read changed why didn't you unvote right there? why did you even vote them in the first place at the end of the previous post? I have a hard time at seeing how your thought process changed your read between those 2 posts, in addition 1361 feels like a cop out =/ considering i've been having the opposite problem (too few ppl feel like obvtown)

-Luna

Also the 2nd post was made like 4-5 minutes after the first, like what the hell changed your read from "Im voting this person" to "i dont think he's scum"

-Luna

I voted for Waco because at that time, I think he's acting scum. After that post I made, I searched for his ISO here and read it. After I read it I was like, "He doesn't sound scum" and immediately unvoted when Transcend said that waco vote sucks which I kinda agree to considering the fact that someone who voted doesn't give any reason. I forgot who it is.

Yes, I said some people do act town. I read them as like in normal mode and it sounds town. I know that it's not helpful but I may not see them as scum. This is why I keep really changing my mind. Whenever this post acts scum, after many posts, sometimes that post sounds town which makes me really confused. This is why I am sheeping, Because I am confused af.

Right now, As transcend says about my unvote from camntsuki, I think I kinda get the point that maybe camnstuki maybe is a scum wifom and not (or maybe not) a townie frustration. I shouldn't compared myself to them.

I still figuring out things about camntsuki. I read them as townie too but the "Lynch me" like that sounds town because they're not afraid to be lynched. It sounds scum to because they may be expecting us to believe that they're town by not saying that they are not afraid of getting lynched.

[DiamondSentinel]

How long has this day been going on for @Diamond

Waco vote sucks and has "easy nacho scapegoat" written all over it.

It's been going for ~5 days, iirc

[DiamondSentinel]

keyen is starting to display that newb card pretty strongly and often.
I'd expect less complaining about not knowing what's going on or what to do and more actually trying.

-Luna

Keyen is slowly drifting into scum territory. He looks like he's trying to do the same thing I pulled in MGSV mafia.

For those who don't want to read, basically I just passed off everything as "well, I'm not sure because I'm super inexperienced" and they gave me a whole bunch of passes on stuff.

[Eleven]

Vote Count 1.21

[6] Waco Kid ~ SnarkySnowman, Imperium, Fox McCloud, Cephrir, hiplop, camntsuki
[5] camntsuki ~ DiamondSentinel, MagnaofIllusion, Waco Kid, Grib, Transcend
[1] Grib ~ BROseidon
[1] DiamondSentinel ~ kdowns

Not Voting (5) - ConmanMick, kraska77, farside22, Medical Junkies, keyenpeydee

With 18 alive, it's 10 to lynch!

kdowns is V/LA until the 18th.
Still looking for a ConMan replacement.

Deadline is at (expired on 2016-08-24 14:00:00)[/color]

[keyenpeydee]

keyen is starting to display that newb card pretty strongly and often.
I'd expect less complaining about not knowing what's going on or what to do and more actually trying.

-Luna

Keyen is slowly drifting into scum territory. He looks like he's trying to do the same thing I pulled in MGSV mafia.

For those who don't want to read, basically I just passed off everything as "well, I'm not sure because I'm super inexperienced" and they gave me a whole bunch of passes on stuff.

What? I am not. I am experienced but not that really experienced. That's why I keep asking question.

[Eleven]

Firebringer replaces ConManMick. Welcome!

[Firebringer]

Hey guys, if any of you fools think I am reading 50~ pages, you are crazy.

[Firebringer]

Also I really wish I would have gotten a different character.
This was a horrible character.
Like, did anyone really watch this show as a kid? Asking you Eleven.

[keyenpeydee]

Hi Welcome!!

[Transcend]

Lmao my slot has a sweeping posting history
I'll be back when I've read 20 or more pages
Not today though bc I'm busy

Scum claim.

Anyways at the current moment I'm not explaining any of my reads. I only skimmed the game.

[Imperium]

Also, camntsuki, the only response I have to you continuing to call me scum for literally no reason when I am honest to god trying to ENGAGE you in a GAME that hinges on GATHERING INFORMATION is

I'm not really sure what you're expecting to get out of your interactions with camntsuki; could you quote an interaction where you believe that you engaged them on good faith and they ignored them unfairly?

Because it's easy to accuse someone of being scum and throwing out a few loaded questions here and there, but actually attempting to engage like you're pretending to do is a bit more complicated than what I remember from you, but hey, I'm not the most well-read person in this thread, so it shouldn't be overly difficult to prove me wrong if I'm missing something here.

[Imperium]

I come back after 24 hours and there's wagons on two of my town reads?

Ugh I hate you all. Time to actually read shit.

Waco is a town read?
I can understand ~

not feeling it

~, but a townread seems like something that should be a bit more tangible.

[Imperium]

I think my partner doesn't like him.

also...
for real, please lynch us. pay attention to our wagon after the flip.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: camntsuki

Can you talk to me about why you would do this as town?

Can anyone talk to me about why we aren't lynching this?

He's pushed plenty of lines that I don't agree with, but self-righteous indignation drips from every post that he makes.
Not sure if Fox asking you what the meat of the case on him was happened in the future or the past, but if it happened in the past then I'm seconding that question.