Kids TV Show Characters Mafia - Endgame

[Grib]

kdowns, toDay would be a good time to get reads on people who aren't DS.

For example: if you think Spiffeh is town, how do you feel about Firebringer?

[Spiffeh]

It hasn't been 100% confirmed yet in my eyes on the guilty on you. So why should I believe it right now.

So you think everyone should just ignore it?
Do you think Firebringer would fake a guilty as scum?

I feel like you're purposefully being noncommittal and I don't like it

[DiamondSentinel]

Ok, framers aren't bastard. I got confused because they are listed in the list of bastard things as something that's not bastard. A simple mistake.

But regardless, that's still a bullshit case, KDowns. You are really really encroaching into 100% scum territory.


If you've got a vig, please use it on KDowns. Either he's playing 100% terribly or he's scum. I don't care which.

[Cephrir]

What makes you think there's a role blocker? What makes you think our role is worth being blocked?

i) there usually is
ii) did you seriously ask this question my god

[DiamondSentinel]

It hasn't been 100% confirmed yet in my eyes on the guilty on you. So why should I believe it right now.

So you think everyone should just ignore it?
Do you think Firebringer would fake a guilty as scum?

I feel like you're purposefully being noncommittal and I don't like it

Then let's lynch him instead.

In fact, I'd much rather have that than keyen.

VOTE: KDowns

Keyen can die some other time.

[Spiffeh]

I feel like you're purposefully being noncommittal and I don't like it

Not noncommittal I guess

But there's an elephant in the room regarding how someone should be perceiving me and I don't like that you're casting it to the side

[Firebringer]

WHat is off to me about spiffeh here is that his tone looks town, but then he posts stuff fake like he knows what I would do as scum or town.
He did that exact same thing Power as scum. He pretended he knew how I operate and it was fake as fuck, and I called him out on the fake read then.

[Spiffeh]

No I need to be lynched today

I'm not playing this game with a guilty on me

It's too big of a distraction

[Cephrir]

Additionally, if I might add, mechanically, I trust you, and I have no real scumread on you. You replied with your flavor and roleclaim promptly when asked, so it doesn't seem like you had to look what they claimed up, so that's a plus.

PEdit: I'm going to *hesitantly* state that town shouldn't be worried about "making enemies", since they should know that, given the right play, everything

should

sort itself out in the town's favor, so a little bit of dissonance in the early game isn't an issue.

Sure, you don't want to run around D4 insulting people and using all caps and whatever, but D1-2 isn't a big deal.

[Spiffeh]

WHat is off to me about spiffeh here is that his tone looks town, but then he posts stuff fake like he knows what I would do as scum or town.
He did that exact same thing Power as scum. He pretended he knew how I operate and it was fake as fuck, and I called him out on the fake read then.

You really don't need to justify yourself anymore

[BROseidon]

We aren't lynching 24 hours into the game day.

If you have a guilty this is exactly what we're doing

[DiamondSentinel]

...

Firebringer claims the guilty

Then rationalizes his joke.


This is definitely a fake-ass guilty.

[DiamondSentinel]

vote*


christ...

[DiamondSentinel]

Additionally, if I might add, mechanically, I trust you, and I have no real scumread on you. You replied with your flavor and roleclaim promptly when asked, so it doesn't seem like you had to look what they claimed up, so that's a plus.

PEdit: I'm going to *hesitantly* state that town shouldn't be worried about "making enemies", since they should know that, given the right play, everything

should

sort itself out in the town's favor, so a little bit of dissonance in the early game isn't an issue.

Sure, you don't want to run around D4 insulting people and using all caps and whatever, but D1-2 isn't a big deal.

P.S. That's just nasty. Why would you want to post that?

[kdowns]

kdowns, toDay would be a good time to get reads on people who aren't DS.

For example: if you think Spiffeh is town, how do you feel about Firebringer?

I plan on getting better reads on people who aren't DS. And I'm still going to wait for Firebringer to explain his guilty some more, because you don't usually just come out on Day 2 with ( HEY GUYS SO AND SO IS GUILTY) . Bit of an exaggeration on my part but you guys understands.

It hasn't been 100% confirmed yet in my eyes on the guilty on you. So why should I believe it right now.

So you think everyone should just ignore it?
Do you think Firebringer would fake a guilty as scum?

I feel like you're purposefully being noncommittal and I don't like it

No I don't believe that everyone should forget it, it should be one of the main focal points about today. But I want us to spend more of this day getting more information than just lynching right away and end Day 2. Why waste this time that we have?

And idk. I highly doubt it.

I feel like you're purposefully being noncommittal and I don't like it

Not noncommittal I guess

But there's an elephant in the room regarding how someone should be perceiving me and I don't like that you're casting it to the side

I'm really not being Noncommittal, I am just really bad at coming up with scum hunting questions so I tend to just read peoples responses to questions and if I see something scummy that I think, I am going to point it out.

[kdowns]

We aren't lynching 24 hours into the game day.

If you have a guilty this is exactly what we're doing

No. We need to spend this time getting more information from each other, Why would you want to end this day so early when its more beneficial to get more information out of everyone.

[BROseidon]

We aren't lynching 24 hours into the game day.

If you have a guilty this is exactly what we're doing

No. We need to spend this time getting more information from each other, Why would you want to end this day so early when its more beneficial to get more information out of everyone.

No.

More data isn't a good thing. It gives town more time to distract itself and scum more time to mist all over the place.

We have a guilty.

We take the lynch and move on
We take it

[Spiffeh]

FB if this is a fake guilty now would be a great time to say so

I'm probably gonna stop posting unless someone specifically has a question for me

[kdowns]

We aren't lynching 24 hours into the game day.

If you have a guilty this is exactly what we're doing

No. We need to spend this time getting more information from each other, Why would you want to end this day so early when its more beneficial to get more information out of everyone.

No.

More data isn't a good thing. It gives town more time to distract itself and scum more time to mist all over the place.

We have a guilty.

We take the lynch and move on
We take it

How? I really don't understand

[kraska77]

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In post 1919, kraska77 wrote:
Who locked heads with imperium on day 1?(sorry didn't read the game overnight) MoI, transcend and who else?
Anyway those are solid town now...I doubt scum would distance like that that early into the game

They would.

their interactions were too intense to be scum/scum given that it was day 1
moi totally pushed imperium into the spotlight with their incessant back and forth
if moi were scum then they were setting up imperium as investigative/vig/whatever target on night 1. there were a bunch of people pushing for a waco lynch, i think it was moi's and transcend's focus on imperium thaat made imperium stand out from the rest

[Cephrir]

that is a much better argument thank you

you can be one of the sane ones

[farside22]

There is no way that they could be confirmed town. They could have their role confirmed, but they can't have their alignment confirmed by acting on another.

The role is called Friendly Neighbor you moron.

Interesting developments. Scum died. I am A-Okay with that.

And I also really didn't think this plan would work when Mala said we'd be confirmed, but hey. It worked.

I'm really doubting this claim by the 2.

Medical Junkies also has some explaining to do.

Now that the Friendly Neighbor claim is onthe table I want to know:

Does MJ have more shots?
Why BROseidon?
And mostly, how in the FUCK did they think they would not get roleblocked?
Because I'm currently entertaining the idea of MJ and BRO being scum together.

Who locked heads with imperium on day 1?(sorry didn't read the game overnight) MoI, transcend and who else?
Anyway those are solid town now...I doubt scum would distance like that that early into the game

They would.

Magna is basically my ride-or-die toptown this game, in case that wasn't clear.

Ugh

Agreed -- please don't say things like this especially when it is only Day 2 (you may well be correct about MOI's alignment -- that doesn't make this a good idea ever)

I don't think they're self-explanatory. Care to hold my hand?

But to elaborate instead of being completely snarky -

I've already been over my Camnt's scum read. The fact that main person debating me on that was Imperium scum doesn't dissuade me from thinking it has merit.

Spiffeh's entrance into the game was not very good.

He gets demerits for trying to direct power-roles multiple times (trying to get protective roles to protect Imperium and trying to dissuade anyone from shooting Imperium if a Vig).

In fact his "Snarky MUST be shot" post is one of the reasons I'm not trying to power-lynch Snarky today. If Spiffeh just had terrible reads and played bad yesterday as Town I'll revisit at a later date.

The Waco push I quoted was god awful. Waco wasn't scummy to begin with and had claimed a provable role that, despite the possibility of a scum Fruit Vendor, warranted testing at least Night 1 at the very least. Spiffeh cobbled together some crap that happened to coincide on the dominant wagon and helped finish the mislynch that scum Imperium started.

If you don't think this is worth serious consideration then I don't know what to tell you.

Actually, most of it is beter/more nuanced than I was expecting. I expected the bold to be the thrust of your argument and was prepared to be very underwhelmed by that, but the rest I can see

This is where I currently stand:
Anti's list may differ, but this how I (Luna) currently feel about the game.

Luna's Foxy reads list v 1.0

Strong town:

BROseidon
Spiffeh
Cephrir
hiplop

Towny:

Transcend
Firebringer
kraska77

Imperium (Nachomamma8/Tammy hydra)

keyenpeydee

Medical Junkies (KuroiXHF/Malakittens hydra) (!) <- Pending supposed conf town d2 claim before moving further up.

Grib
kdowns

Leftovers:

DiamondSentinel
farside22
MagnaofIllusion
SnarkySnowman

Waco Kid

Here's Luna's last read list.

I'm trying to work through why Fox would get shot by scum over a number of other high-profile players in this game. N1 shot is best used to remove a townie who has a scumread on one or more of the more townread members of the scumteam. Obviously that wasnt TammyCho.

This makes me think that there's very like 1-2 scum in {DS, farside, MoI}. Snarky being scum probably wouldn't have gotten Fox shot, since Snarky's not a scum member that the team would try to protect until endgame. DS is probably the most likely to be town out of those 3 based on him also getting pretty seriously wagoned day 1 as well.

VOTE: Farside

(hooray using NKA to further things that I already believe!)

I would ordinarily think Fox was the default nightkill for scum here as, in my opinion, the best town player meta-wise in the game (sans perhaps Imperium for obvious reasons). However, the Imperium scum flip changes this a little, as I think they have little to gain from shooting inside our small block of sane players. And I very much suspect farside as well. So... perhaps you're on to something after all?

I had an interesting night....

VOTE: Spiffeh

Aroo?

pedit: omg stop

I was all like, yes cephrir is finally making sense and then you ruined by calling me scum.
I'm hurt.

MoI I realize I'm getting lynched today

I'm fighting for a what I think is very likely town!FB to not get lynched tomorrow

I don't want FB to get lynched for "lying" if there are other possibilities that people should be considering

It would be VERY STUPID for scum!Firebringer to fake a guilty and stick his head out to get me lynched WHEN I WAS ALREADY IN THE HOTSEAT

It would just make him look very bad the next day needlessly

And Firebringer doesn't strike me as the type of scum player to do this

Which is why I think he's town and there's other shenanigans going on that shouldn't be put on the back burner in favor of quick lynching him tomorrow when I flip

I don't know if FB would do it as scum. I have seen him fake claim as town before so I'm expecting that is what he is doing again and if so I can smack him.

hey hiplop can you stop calling people fuckos and do something useful

Why BROseidon?

He's capable like MoI, but with much less likely to get killed night one.

And mostly, how in the FUCK did they think they would not get roleblocked?

What makes you think there's a role blocker? What makes you think our role is worth being blocked?

Because I'm currently entertaining the idea of MJ and BRO being scum together.

Oh, you're just adorable.

I had an interesting night....

VOTE: Spiffeh

Aroo?

pedit: omg stop

VOTE: Spiffeh
Yeah. Good enough for me.

RB could have assumed they were an IC and didn't want to bother when there could be Vigs/Cops/what-have-yous running around.

But eh, Bro + MJ scum is possible.

Of course it's possible, but I don't understand why we're wasting so much time on the low probability when we have a high probability.

I'm VT

Clifford from Clifford the Big Red Dog

I believe your flavor.

[/quote]


Can you explain why you believe his flavor but you are voting him?

I think kdowns has a good chance of flipping scum

His only real contribution has been his tunnel on DS

He didn't really try to hard to get people to listen to him but still literally never acknowledges the wagon on Waco or my slot until he puts his vote there

So he should be strongly considered for tomorrow

Agreed.

I think BRO is probably scum too but I have no good reason for it

Mostly PoE

Listen to farside (assuming she still holds that read)

Yes I do.
I have no time to bring quotes into this but if I can have till Thursday that would be awesome!

Till then

Vote: Kdowns

[MagnaofIllusion]

WHat is off to me about spiffeh here is that his tone looks town, but then he posts stuff fake like he knows what I would do as scum or town.
He did that exact same thing Power as scum. He pretended he knew how I operate and it was fake as fuck, and I called him out on the fake read then.

Ok Firebringer this is the official line in the sand.

If this is some derr-herr gambit you think makes sense you have exactly 1 post from this point to back away from your claimed guilty. Because otherwise I will assume that you are not gambitting and this is a for real guilty forever more with no chance of a take-back on your part.

I still followed Poker Mafia after I replaced out and I hope you learned from that game how absolutely stupid fake-claiming is.

[farside22]

WHat is off to me about spiffeh here is that his tone looks town, but then he posts stuff fake like he knows what I would do as scum or town.
He did that exact same thing Power as scum. He pretended he knew how I operate and it was fake as fuck, and I called him out on the fake read then.

Ok Firebringer this is the official line in the sand.

If this is some derr-herr gambit you think makes sense you have exactly 1 post from this point to back away from your claimed guilty. Because otherwise I will assume that you are not gambitting and this is a for real guilty forever more with no chance of a take-back on your part.

I still followed Poker Mafia after I replaced out and I hope you learned from that game how absolutely stupid fake-claiming is.

Fb learning something???
<3 Fb

In all seriousness if you know Fb has fake claim before, why are you following?

[Spiffeh]

WHat is off to me about spiffeh here is that his tone looks town, but then he posts stuff fake like he knows what I would do as scum or town.
He did that exact same thing Power as scum. He pretended he knew how I operate and it was fake as fuck, and I called him out on the fake read then.

The fucking point of this game is to try and figure out what people would do as scum and lynch them for it

Just because I did it as scum before doesn't mean I wouldn't do it as town

So this is really stupid

I'm starting to believe this is a fake guilty because of you unvoting me for "not wanting the day to end"

So put an end to your gambit and help lynch actual scum