Newbie 1730 - To The North (Game Over)

[PenguinPower]

I was going to wait a bit, but I'm pretty convinced at this point. I'm going to keep my thoughts on your scum buddy to myself for now.

VOTE: karnos

You're playing your scum game right now.

[ironstove]

I was going to wait a bit, but I'm pretty convinced at this point. I'm going to keep my thoughts on your scum buddy to myself for now.

VOTE: karnos

You're playing your scum game right now.

Why are you convinced karnos is scum?

[PenguinPower]

I was going to wait a bit, but I'm pretty convinced at this point. I'm going to keep my thoughts on your scum buddy to myself for now.

VOTE: karnos

You're playing your scum game right now.

Why are you convinced karnos is scum?

I've played a lot of games with him, so it's kind of hard to explain because it's part gut. He's a very logical player as both scum and town, but when he's scum there are slight "off-putting" things with his logic and interactions.

The one that just sent it over the edge for me was his re-voting Enomis to get a claim after my request for his thoughts. Why did he wait until that point to do it? He had already been back and posting after Enomis' walls, but nothing. In fact, he starts to go down a different line of thought, seemingly forgetting his previous stance.

[ironstove]

Karnos, is this true? Is this how you would play your scum? If not, then how would you have played the situation instead?

[Joushi]

I don't have time for a full post right now but that last question cracks me up.

"Are you scum?" I mean, if it works hey good job. There's really only one right answer there though

[Transcend]

VOTE: innocentvillager

[karnos]

Sorry, I'm not scum this time. Penguin might be, or he might just be a bit paranoid after our last game. Fair enough...

Thing is I want IV & enomis lynched. That is why I didn't immediately change my vote back, because I'm a bit torn and I'd be perfectly happy seeing IV get lynched first. But you reminded me that enomis has flatly refused to claim until he is at L-1 with intent, so lets get that going first and then decide who to lynch.

[karnos]

Penguin & Transcend?

Interesting thing is I posted the above, and then shortly after Penguin voted me. Maybe I hit a little too close to the mark?

[PenguinPower]

Sorry, I'm not scum this time. Penguin might be, or he might just be a bit paranoid after our last game. Fair enough...

Thing is I want IV & enomis lynched. That is why I didn't immediately change my vote back, because I'm a bit torn and I'd be perfectly happy seeing IV get lynched first. But you reminded me that enomis has flatly refused to claim until he is at L-1 with intent, so lets get that going first and then decide who to lynch.

I think you may want to lynch both...but the explanation on switching back to enomis is weak. So, enomis claims PR, and you're back to where you started, but with a bit more info. Right?

[PenguinPower]

Penguin & Transcend?

Interesting thing is I posted the above, and then shortly after Penguin voted me. Maybe I hit a little too close to the mark?

Ah, the recency argument. Nice.

[karnos]

I think you may want to lynch both...but the explanation on switching back to enomis is weak. So, enomis claims PR, and you're back to where you started, but with a bit more info. Right?

I think you know it's not that simple. Depends on how the claim matches up with past actions, if it all makes sense. And who knows? Maybe he will claim VT or something.

[Transcend]

VOTE: innocentvillager

[enomis]

I am doctor. Happy now?
My predecessor send no action night 1.

[enomis]

Now to make the best of this situation, I think tracker should come out. But if you are cop you should not come out.

Here's why:
If tracker comes out, I can confirm protect him and he gets one extra check. Even if he doesn't come out today assuming we lynch wrong, he have to come out at lylo anyway. So it doesn't make a difference.

If he Is cop don't ever come out today cuz u may be roleblock Ed.

Since scum already know if we are in setup c or 2 after my claim, I think tracker should come out.

This all can wait until everybody posts and no one counterclaim me.
Mafia, do you want to counter claim me??

[enomis]

Actually no, there's no use in tracker coming out.
Can the people other than transcend tell me why they are on the iv wagon?

[ironstove]

UNVOTE: enomis

[Transcend]

No one can tell you why they're on the IV wagon besides me

Because I'm the only one on it RN.

[ironstove]

If tracker outs, we have another clear + doc can hit tracker and tracker can hit doc.

(Insert wifom here where maybe because we declared this strategy we don't necessarily follow it because mafia know it now and they don't want to try to waste a kill on either tracker or doc).

[Transcend]

there's a 0% chance we're gonna have any tracker go on the doc.

[ironstove]

We don't necessarily have to follow the above strategy, just pointing out that this combination will almost guarantee us 2 clears going into the next day and avoid wasting time trying to lynch a PR on D2. However with doc outted, if we have a tracker, he would be targeting doc regardless, and if we don't but have a cop, he should not out.

I think it's the better play to out tracker if he is in the game because mafia already know if the other PR is tracker or cop. If tracker is out, then doc and tracker should both survive to D3... Obviously if there is a cop in the game then we don't out... but I don't see a point in hiding tracker.

[Transcend]

Mafia know the setup btw so other pr should hide.

[ironstove]

there's a 0% chance we're gonna have any tracker go on the doc.

Why is there a 0% chance that tracker would not target the doc? And in the situation of a tracker being in the game, why would we not out the tracker to save the doc?

With that said, I have a feeling that we're in the setup with a cop because assuming enomis' claim is legit and he's not dead, he was probably role blocked so that means our other PR is a cop.

Anyway, I don't think there is any more reason to discuss this then unless tracker reads this and decides he wants to out to guarantee 2 clears going into day 3 when it is going to be MYLO. Narrowing down the scum tomorrow if we mislynch today will help tremendously.

[enomis]

I am getting bad vibes from iron stove man... Omg

No, tracker do not follow me. What's the point, scum will just kill me once we decide on this plan. If I do not get cced I am like fking town. Can the people who want me to claim tell me now what we get from my claiming.

Tracker is not watcher

[Transcend]

Ironstove is town

Don't deny it

[enomis]

Why. Tell me.