Newbie 1730 - To The North (Game Over)

[Transcend]

I don't think Karnos and IV are scum theatring either so I don't see them as a team.

See...I actually was thinking this until recently. Now I'm thinking it could be karnos and you. Not as strongly as karnos and IV, but it's a possibility now.

Lol

[PenguinPower]

I don't think Karnos and IV are scum theatring either so I don't see them as a team.

See...I actually was thinking this until recently. Now I'm thinking it could be karnos and you. Not as strongly as karnos and IV, but it's a possibility now.

Lol

This is why I love you, and also why I hate you.

At least you understood what I was saying.

[Transcend]

Would you be willing to perhaps lynch iv today since he's a possible wolf then if he flips green, broaden your scum read on me/karnos

[PenguinPower]

Would you be willing to perhaps lynch iv today since he's a possible wolf then if he flips green, broaden your scum read on me/karnos

I'd rather lynch karnos. Not saying at the end of the day I wouldn't if he was L-1 and I had to be the hammer, but I would prefer karnos.

karnos>>>>>>>IV>>you


You mentioned you had a case on IV...care to explain?

[Transcend]

so rn you think me and karnos are scum but you'd lynch iv over me?

what!?!?!

[PenguinPower]

so rn you think me and karnos are scum but you'd lynch iv over me?

what!?!?!

Can you please read post 774?

[Xalxe]

Vote Count 2.6

Lies you have told yourself: your humanity is the largest burden you will bear.

karnos (2)

: innocentvillager, PenguinPower

innocentvillager (2)

: Transcend, karnos

Not Voting

: enomis, ironstove, Joushi

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-08-31 08:18:23)

[Joushi]

So things I'm still sticking to:

1.1. Stove is town. Pretty confident here. Like, I don't think you could convince me to vote for him this game short of a scumclaim
1.2. Getting Enomis to claim was ultimately beneficial to town, as it gives the village a near guarantee that one conftown between Enomis and Stove will make it into D3, regardless of what happens today or tonight
1.3. IV is town lean, his reactions to the claim seem really genuine to me and I'm honestly more inclined to trust his reads because of it
1.4. Transcend is scum lean
1.5. I REALLY dislike the way Enefpe plays Mafia. Like I don't think you understand how much more fun this game is for me without him

Things I'm not sure about anymore
2.1. 439 looks all sorts of confbias to me now, but I worry that after 520 I went too far and confbiased Karnos as town in the other direction. Right now it's a net scum lean
2.2. Soula seemed town to me, Hark seemed weirdly aggressive and kinda scummy to me overall, but I also like the way that Penguin is scumhunting, net town lean

Confident town: Enomis/Stove
Leaning town: IV/Penguin
Leaning scum: Transcend/Karnos who are scumteam by PoE

Mostly by PoE, and I think IV/Penguin is much more likely to be town than a scumteam:
VOTE: Karnos

[karnos]

Interesting. I must be wrong about one of IV or Penguin, because Joushi basically just claimed scum.

[karnos]

Joushi & innocentvillager team makes a lot of sense actually, after re-reading Joushi's ISO with the possibility in mind. Maybe I want to see it because I'd prefer a town penguin, but I definitely see something there.

Heck, his first post is a classic chainsaw defense for his partner.

But really, his ISO is loaded with defenses for innocentvillager that don't seem to be warranted at all.

@Joushi: why were you defending IV so strenuously if he isn't your scum buddy? Where did this unshakable townread of him come from?

[karnos]

If it's not plainly obvious, this is the case for scum!Joushi:

Initially he thought enefpe & I were scum, because he thinks I would bus my partner. Okay.

Then he said he thought he was suffering conf bias, and maybe I'm not scum. Okay whatever.

After enefpe's replace,

"1.2. Getting Enomis to claim was ultimately beneficial to town, as it gives the village a near guarantee that one conftown between Enomis and Stove will make it into D3, regardless of what happens today or tonight"

I did that! And yet, somehow the fact that I did this thing that Joushi is calling beneficial for town makes him reconsider his read of me, and now I am scum?

The weirdest thing to me is that there is a perfectly valid reason to reconsider that I am scum- my flip on my read of enomis. I was voting him hard and ready to lynch him, and now suddenly I am reading him as town, WTF? If I wasn't me, and I was previously considering enomis+karnos as a scum team, seeing karnos flip his opinion like that certainly wouldn't make me think I was wrong, I'd just think that karnos decided he didn't need to bus, and could instead save his partner by town reading him.

Ultimately, I find your change of reads on me to be highly manufactured, not natural in any way.

[karnos]

And one other thing.

If he thought I was busing my partner enefpe, and now I am switching to innocentvillager and I am still scum in his mind, why doesn't he think I am busing my partner innocentvillager?

Clearly, because such talk could lead to innocentvillager getting lynched, and that is what Joushi is trying to avoid.

[enomis]

You all should probably stop speculating partners.

Speculating scum partners is a bad tactics when neither scum have even flipped.

It is hard trying to find one scum..

It is even harder to find another scum USING RELATION FROM ONE WHO YOU THINK IS SCUM.
This way to find 2nd scum will be wrong 80% of the time.

If you think A is scum and B is scum because of A, lynch A. Not lynch B.

[enomis]

Lynch B and him flipping TOWN gives you NO INFORMATION

YES NO INFORMATION. IT does not make A more towny.

[enomis]

@Transcend: I don't think IV is scum. I dont think you are scum either. The problem with me this game is that i town read too much people. I got to sit down and reconsider my town read.

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I am having this bad vibe from iron stove. I really do. I really don't see his newb town points are strong enuf.

One example: The day chat/night chat thing. I actually asked about this in my first game at mafia scum(As scum). I knew there were night chat and i asked about this to pretend that i don't know. Not saying that this point make him scummy, but u know, it is null in my book.

[enomis]

But i don't think he will be a good lynch today so i am gonna ignore him. But make sure u all reassess your reads of him tmr because i am going to die regardless. I think.

[ironstove]

Hmm, I'm not scum tho, but I agree that asking that question is dumb however in my defense the OP doesn't specify if scum have either day or night chat, and I was asking about day chat because I've played scum with a day chat and I know it impacts how scum play for example, you're less likely to see a scum tunnel his partner for a lynch on D1 prior to agreeing to it, so knowing this, once a person flips scum, I look back on their D1 chat to see who they applied very weak to no pressure on.

Karnos initially came in scummy, but he feels more and more towny as the game has progressed. I still think transcend is scummy, joushi has been flipping between null/town for me, and IV was a town read to me for the most part, the only problem is that some of his emotional posts seem a little fake considering how calm of a person his other posts make him out to be.

Still not sure who to lynch right now.

[ironstove]

But i don't think he will be a good lynch today so i am gonna ignore him. But make sure u all reassess your reads of him tmr because i am going to die regardless. I think.

You might still be alive... Enefpe made it to D2 after outting himself as PR which is why I fos'd him, my suspicion for this was that he was either mafia lying about PR in a closed setup, or he had been roleblocked and mafia instead chose to hit someone else hoping they would hit the other PR.

If that's the case, then we have a cop and the mafia will probably roleblock you again and try to hit whoever they feel is cop in this game.

[karnos]

If you think A is scum and B is scum because of A, lynch A. Not lynch B.

Agreed.

You all should probably stop speculating partners.

Nonsense. It's a perfectly valid way to scum hunt, and it can be a helpful town-tell when someone has no clear potential scum partners.

[enomis]

@ironstove: I should be killed. But i am not going to explain why hoping that i will still be alive. I hope scum think the same as you about the roleblock thingy.

@karnos: Yes, if someone has no potential scum partner, it is a town-tell. But he has to have that interaction with 6 of the town? And i am not seeing people using it this way. They are using it to pinpoint scum-scum team to scumread someone instead of town-telling.

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I can see plausible scum on karnos but i would like to sit down and reconsider my reads. I think my read on the game on a whole is off. Gut feeling.

[Transcend]

Fucking idiots.

[Transcend]

Take your ml enjoy lylo etc.

VOTE: Karnos

[enomis]

Then please enlighten me the idiot. I don't see the way.

[enomis]

And what the fuck was that vote.

[Xalxe]

Vote Count 2.7

Look. Up in the sky. It's a bird. It's a plane. No. It's just the void. Infinite and indifferent. We're so small. So very very small.

karnos (4): innocentvillager, PenguinPower, Joushi, Transcend

innocentvillager (1)

: karnos

Not Voting

: enomis, ironstove

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-08-31 08:18:23)