Mini 1820 — Lazy Summer Mafia (Game Over)

[Slandaar]

I should probably meta vedith.

Still not convinced a PR has to be scum because docs ccing helps put scum.

OK if you want to argue this show me a game where the town was balanced using 2 PR to cc each other

[Raskolnikov]

if he's town I also don't see how he comes away scumreading someone forcing a 1for1 onto them
and in general anything of what he's saying today.

our situations are actually different, with the distinction being that I started/forced this

But he reintroduced it recently.

In a way which was probably to gauge what I'd say (if I am intent on it, there is not much point of not bringing it up and hoping it goes away)
but what is interesting is he viewed it as a 1v1 for today as in restricting the lynchpool for this specific day. Not as a "1for1" which I had accepted.

[MariaR]

Vedith what's the main reason you sr rask over Slan again I missed it cause you were like "If the game's not over Slan is scum!" and now you're voting rask

[Slandaar]

It's not pick on your wording.
Tell me that I'm wrong that scum Mafia can be the only role he will be to visit me, and he would have to be very bad at Mafia to visit the watcher.

He could be a mafia follower.

It makes sense.

Tracker town follower scum.

AND Watcher town voyeur scum.

Makes a lot of sense.

+ He targets you because it's a pointless role for scum when massclaim is coming today but it looks good if he is ... tracked.

[Slandaar]

That is just an example though I don't want a huge debate on this nonsense as it's clear there are mafia roles he could be.

[Vedith]

He could be a mafia follower.

It makes sense.

Tracker town follower scum.

AND Watcher town voyeur scum.

Makes a lot of sense.

+ He targets you because it's a pointless role for scum when massclaim is coming today but it looks good if he is ... tracked.

Scum have those roles to find town powers and to kill them to prevent them using them again.
What good is it to find that night 2? The threat is already gone.

GTFO

I'm done.

[Slandaar]

Stealing Raskols Colouring...

There are a lot of similar roles ie:

IC + FN:
Killthestory,

Town Night 2 Jack of all Trades (Role Cop, Neapolitan, Friendly Neighbor)

, was lynched Day 1.
Naomi-Tan,

Town Night 2 Innocent Child

, died Night 1.

Gunsmith + Neapolitan
JarJarDrinks,

Town Night 2 Gunsmith

, died Night 3.

Voyeur + Watcher (Claim)
DrippingGoofball,

Mafia Night 2 Voyeur

, was lynched Day 2.
vedith

Town Night 2 Watcher claim

Leaves:
Rolecop
hiplop,

Town Night 2 Doctor

, was lynched Day 4.

mariar

Town Night 2 Tracker claim

(role vouched for by infinity)

Infinity

Town Night 2 Doctor claim

(role does in fact visit and doesn't roleblock)

Which don't really match up. You could also match Rolecop with Neapolitan leaving the gunsmith. Gunsmith and Doctor? Tracker and Follower?

Just pointing this out.

[Infinity 324]

I should probably meta vedith.

Still not convinced a PR has to be scum because docs ccing helps put scum.

OK if you want to argue this show me a game where the town was balanced using 2 PR to cc each other

Dude

I know there are 2 doctors in the game

You don't

I'm not inside the mod's head.

But obviously I'm gonna base my logic on there being 2 doctors, because I know that to be a fact.

[Marquis]

VOTECOUNT 5.03

+1

Infinity 324

— MariaR
0

MariaR

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+1

Raskolnikov

— Vedith
0

Slandaar

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+1

Vedith

— Raskolnikov

+2

NOT VOTING

— Infinity 324, Slandaar

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in

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(Sat Sep 17 @ 1:00 PM EST)

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[Infinity 324]

@rask Do you tend to lose interest in the game during lylo as town? I find in general scum tend to lose interest more often while town is usually more motivated.

[Raskolnikov]

Lylo's usually interesting but I just don't care about this game THAT much anymore, even if I win my I know my reads were garbage here after the hiplop flip.
Technically it isn't even lylo but the game not ending when it was supposed to is really annoying, I had already counted this as a win and was getting ready to write it in my wiki. Otoh if it was lylo the danger WOULD probably make it more interesting, the safety net here of not even necessarily losing if I'm wrong makes it hard to care too-too much.

If I was having a really hard time judging between you vedith and slandaar I'd feel more motivation to decide but it doesn't even really feel close atm. If I'm completely honest there is a small chance I'm still wrong and it's one of you or slandaar, but in that case I still would never want to play with town vedith in 3p after today anyways because his logic is insane. I really don't want to second guess my read on you here after what happened last time, and at this point I think you'd almost deserve the win with your play here if you're scum which tbh is a feeling that doesn't help.

All that said it's morning now and I'll probably put some work into this later, and in enough days get naturally back into it. I mean at this point talking about my lack of motivation is more interesting than playing which is rather absurd. But I've been here before and its temporary.

WP though if you are actually scum and getting me to admit this because it doesn't sound good while simultaneously appealing to me 1on1 with what is very relevant inquiry. In that case though you should try to drag me back into this and see what happens

[Raskolnikov]

Actually I just realised the point against vedith also applies to infinity WRT to not wanting vedith lynched and preferring VTs if possible. Vedith is using terrible logic for townreading infinity but infinity is actually fencesitty-ish.

Infinity go into your read on me and vedith again.

[MariaR]

Hello Rask how are you?

[MariaR]

Anything you feel needs talking about I've honestly ran out of things.

[Raskolnikov]

I'm not sure if infinity repeatedly referring to today as lylo is significant or what it would mean if it was

[Raskolnikov]

maria how against a vedith lynch would you be

[MariaR]

If I can't lynch Infinity I'm prob lynching Vedith so only slightly?

[Raskolnikov]

On one hand it takes infinity a while to get the double doc anti-town conclusion when he played a recent game double rolecop game (1805), but on the other hand him questioning my motivation here when was super lazy in that lylo makes sense.

@rask Do you tend to lose interest in the game during lylo as town? I find in general scum tend to lose interest more often while town is usually more motivated.

But how this is phrased is actually a bit awkward I think.
The question is perfect but the statement after it should be held for later with a judgement on what the answer is, putting that statement here devalues the question itself if directed to scum.

Though infinity scum here would still be an incredibly impressive game from him whereas with vedith it wouldn't be at all a surprise.

[Raskolnikov]

Ironically this choice probably doesn't even matter.

[MariaR]

Ironically this choice probably doesn't even matter.

Do you think scum is in Vedith/Infinity or am I reading that wrong

[Raskolnikov]

I highly doubt slandaar is scum but if he is he's probably won at this point already because he could refuse to lynch vedith and do infinity lynch->kill maria->vedith in 3p with me for gg.

[MariaR]

What about me?

[Raskolnikov]

Infinity is more likely to fool me but he's also generally logically and accurate if he is town so it's like a double edged sword.

[Raskolnikov]

I wanted to hold my read on you so I could pretend to scumread you near lynch and use it to avoid a nightkill, but you're the last person I'd lynch in this scenario. I'm surprised everyone else came to that conclusion independently though.

[Raskolnikov]

At this point it's irrelevant anyways since I'm 100% sure you will be the nightkill if the lynch is wrong, and unlike previous days I'm actually a potential mislynch now with whoever is town amongst {infinity, vedith} misreading.