Newbie 1735 - Banana Split (Game Over!)

[goodmorning]

Why don't you give us some reasons why he's town?

i feel like i have said the words 'burden of proof' to you in this game already.

It's not as if I haven't already said why I think DDD is scum, is it? Why are you defending him when he's just said something and not backed it up with anything?

I'm not defending anyone or anything except my right not to see people use stupid logical fallacies to try to prove their points, because there's been way too much of that in this game already and I'm really done with it.

You have said why you think he's Scum. I said I had bones to pick with your case and then forgot to pick them, so I'll do that when I get home.

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Well the issue is that when I am lynched and flip town, you'll probably be next, as I won't be around to argue against your lynch and most people seem to think either you or I is scum. So I'd rather not die,

knowing that my death will likely cause the death of another townie

. I would be fine with my lynch if you agreed to lynch DDD tomorrow after my flip, but it seems like that's not going to happen.

what

It wasn't forever, it was like a day and why would scum need to change their mind? Changing your mind and lynching a townie looks awful, look how much shit everyone is giving GL for it. Why would scum who were safely ensconced on their wagons of choice feel the need to do anything when GL was going to have to decide and take the fall for them?

So you're implying that you know GL is town... only scum know others' alignment for sure. You might have slipped there.

^just to point out that Dragon did a thing he thinks is scummy.
Not like Town never do that, but...

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Going over my own ISO, I noticed something that makes me pretty sure DDD is actually Town. ironstove's slot is Town. Jae is Town. Lion is probably Town. This leaves me with {Dragon, jon, Accountant}.

[jon_h61]

@ gm can you describe why iron is Town? Tia

[jon_h61]

Of your scum reads, I'd vote Dragon.

One thing that is(was) holding back my enthusiasm for a Dragon push was the fact that I read the last hand I played with him last Night. He was scum in it and replaced out right after I accused him of being scum. Gamblers' fallacy and all that, but I still think he's scum.

[jon_h61]

@ gm one thing that concerns me is accountant's seeming change in tone from Yesterday. What do you think? You have experience with him, right?

[Accountant]

I change my tone all the time. Sometimes because I'm sick, or in response to me feeling more or less confident about my reads.

[jon_h61]

I just realized gm is scum reading two slots Town reading her! Lol

[RachMarie]

Back up mod reporting for duty

will do a VC shortly

[goodmorning]

@ gm can you describe why iron is Town? Tia

The guy in his slot before was Town. I don't see why you think he's Scum, except the troll thing, but that's NAI.

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I don't have scumreads so much as I have PoE.

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I mean, I don't really think it's a problem.

[GuyInFreezer]

Back up mod reporting for duty

will do a VC shortly

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My trustworthy backup mod for few days.
Be nice to her.

[jon_h61]

Back up mod reporting for duty

will do a VC shortly

Hi Rach!!!

@ gm yeah, that's why. I never ISOed the slot before iron. I'll do that now.

[RachMarie]

VOTE COUNT 2.1

Debonair Danny DiPietro

(4) ironstove, JaeReed, Accountant, Dragonfire

L-1!

Accountant

(1) GuiltyLion

JaeReed

(1) Debonair Danny DiPietro

ironstove

(1) Jon_h61


Not voting: GoodMorning

With 8 it takes 5 to lynch

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-09-26 09:49:24)

[jon_h61]

@ gm I think you're right. I think Stapler was frustrated Town.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dragon
Gotta make Rach earn her keep.

[RachMarie]

VOTE COUNT 2.2

Debonair Danny DiPietro

(4) ironstove, JaeReed, Accountant, Dragonfire

L-1

Accountant

(1) GuiltyLion

JaeReed

(1) Debonair Danny DiPietro

Dragonfire

(1) Jon_H61



Not voting: GoodMorning

With 8 it takes 5 to lynch

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-09-26 09:49:24)

[Dragonfire]

Of your scum reads, I'd vote Dragon.

One thing that is(was) holding back my enthusiasm for a Dragon push was the fact that I read the last hand I played with him last Night. He was scum in it and replaced out right after I accused him of being scum. Gamblers' fallacy and all that, but I still think he's scum.

I wasn't scum in the last game I played with you....

[jon_h61]

@ Dragon http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=58147

[jon_h61]

My apologies. I really thought you were replaced by DP. It was wake's slot. Sorry again

[ironstove]

It's interesting that Accountant flipped his vote to DDD and really just sheeped Jae.

Jae, Dragon, do you feel that DDD is more likely scum than GuiltyLion? The quotes posted earlier of GL demanding control of the town lynch if DDD flips town + Accountant suddenly so willing to sheep Jae is bothering me.

I'm going to UNVOTE: for now.

[ironstove]

This feels a little too convenient. Has the game really been solved already?

[Accountant]

jon is town, gm is town, jae is town, iron is town but a dick.

That leaves DDD, Dragon, Guilty as scum bucket. If Jae wants to lynch DDD, I'm fine with this.

[ironstove]

Accountant, why are you sheeping instead of pushing as hard for someone as you did on D1? And why of all people are you sheeping Jae? I did not find your post earlier explaining the action to be satisfactory.

[ironstove]

Forgot to pedit... I'll digest your post for a bit and get back to you.

[Accountant]

I know you're town, and you said to lynch DDD. GM is town who kinda wants to sheep Jae. Jae wants to lynch DDD. DDD is in the scum bucket. Only logical conclusion, really.

[ironstove]

How do you know I'm town?

[Accountant]

becoz it's obvious that you work alone

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

That's just three players though. If you got lynched and flipped town, the five people on copper's wagon yesterday would have lynched him today.

And with copper alive in this hypothetical world that's four, enough to block any lynch. Furthermore, "my" block of people is actually trying to game solve, you see Accountant defect, you see Jon voting a bit scattershot early, while "your" block of people entrench and refuse to be useful.

That could be true... but only if you're town, which I think you're not. So in the unlikely case that you do end up flipping town, I'll come back to this.

You present bad argument about why I have to be scum because I was the other wagon yesterday. I refute scenario by presenting a perfectly logical premise where I'm town. You whine that my scenario "knows" another player's alignment and misdirect. I give another possible scenario with their alignment flipped and explain why I find the first scenario likely and the second less likely. You then post the above which is the rhetorical equivalent of "nuh uh". Do I think you're actually trying to game solve, no.