You could actually try to do the right thing for once instead of just screwing around. I want you to ignore everything else, ignore the wagon construction on both sides and go look at Dragon. He admitted he doesn't pay attention to you, hell he doesn't even pay attention to me and he claims I'm scum. Is that really town play? Go look at his play with a clear mind, no contaminating biases because scummy player X is voting for him or whatever just Dragon and I'm sure you'll wonder why you've been letting his play slide.In post 1327, ironstove wrote:It looks like we're going into a no lynch at this rate.
copper wanted to see what you'd respond with. Since what you responded with made him think you were scum, he then decided his vote was in a good place. You overreacted to his statement, which was, in my opinion, quite clearly a reaction test, since someone as good / experienced as copper does not just say something like that completely seriously.In post 1322, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:See again, you get facts wrong. If copper's reaction test is limited to that post then the only thing I did in response is respond in kind with a vote and a pithy comment. I don't really use the phrase "reaction test" to describe anything I do because I think nearly everything is a reaction test. But my initial response was a reaction test even in a more limited sense of the expression to judge the veracity of copper's stance, to see if he was just throwing a brick at my head to see if I would duck... or if he really wanted to hit me in the head with a brick. It was only after that, when he started making bad arguments that I attacked him.
Can you please explain why you said you were almost convinced I was town three pages back, but didn't unvote me, but now you're saying I'm scum, again with literally zero reasoning? That's really inconsistent.In post 1326, jon_h61 wrote:NGR sorry for my absence. I've been fighting with American healthcare for a while, and on top of that, the DEA wants to turn me and thousands of otherwise law abiding citizens into felons. That's added even more stress in real life. On top of that, typing and especially researching is a lot harder thank I thought it would be on a phone. I can't afford to get my laptop looked at atm this is all ngr but it's the truth. I'll not play anymore games until I get something better to play on.
I think GM is still Town, or she's got me completely fooled. We've played a few times togdther, and I'm pretty solid there.
DDD, if he flips scum, in my eyes, I'll be suprised. I'm the opposite of Jae. I don't get the "case" on DDD.
Speaking of which, @ GM in most areas, we see things similarly
I can see Jae as scum, especially if DDD flipped Town. Would I be wise if I just put him in Town that I don't exactly agree with?
I think scum are accountant and Dragon.
This [bolded] is a misrep. What I said with regards to iron was that I don't finely read his posts looking for scumtells because I don't think he's scum.In post 1328, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:You could actually try to do the right thing for once instead of just screwing around. I want you to ignore everything else, ignore the wagon construction on both sides and go look at Dragon.In post 1327, ironstove wrote:It looks like we're going into a no lynch at this rate.He admitted he doesn't pay attention to you, hell he doesn't even pay attention to me and he claims I'm scum. Is that really town play?Go look at his play with a clear mind, no contaminating biases because scummy player X is voting for him or whatever just Dragon and I'm sure you'll wonder why you've been letting his play slide.
...I never cased you. In fact, I went to the grave townreading you with the explicit intent to shoot you later. I cased dunnstral. Who never got lynched.In post 1324, goodmorning wrote:Are you shit at casing? It was good enough to help get me dead.
Not really. I don't know you're scum. I consider (or at least I try) every post. But after everything is said and done, the argument is about DDD's entrance and failing a reaction test. At the time(i read it) I felt like DDD was being set up. That's why I asked GM about Jae. He would be my only other suspect ATM, but of the three of you he seems the most sincere in his looking for scum.In post 1333, Dragonfire wrote:Can you please explain why you said you were almost convinced I was town three pages back, but didn't unvote me, but now you're saying I'm scum, again with literally zero reasoning? That's really inconsistent
Can you point me go to the original post? I'm going to ISO you now, but I'll pop back in often. Point me to anything specific if you want to discuss it.In post 1333, Dragonfire wrote:This [bolded] is a misrep. What I said with regards to iron was that I don't finely read his posts looking for scumtells because I don't think he's scum.
I can pick up most of DDD's posts and tell you why it's scum motivated but you're not willing to ever vote him so what the hell is the point?!? You've made that painfully clear. It doesn't matter what evidence I present because you're going to just say you don't see it that way. What about the fact that he's repeatedly misrepping both myself and Dragon?In post 1324, goodmorning wrote:It's not about refusing to listen. I'm trying very hard to listen. I just really want ANYBODY to give me one believable reason DDD could be Scum because I don't see it. There are three people sat on that wagon and none of you seem to me to have any good reason to be there. And arguing that he should have talked associatives, or arguing that copper said DDD had to be Scum if you were Town - those aren't believable or good to me. And I'll stress this - TO ME. Other people have different views and playstyles and that's fine.
So basically you don't think they can be Scum together because you think Acct's really Town. That's fine, if not exactly what I was asking. What about jon?
I overreacted? Copper was a drunk in a bar coming up to me because he didn't like the color of my shirt and going "You wanna go?" and I replied, "We can take this outside, sure" because I ain't afraid of no youngblood punk and then he threw some goofy savate kick that didn't work and I beat his ass. I also like how your argument flips around so neatly for me, "since someone as good / experienced as copper does not justIn post 1333, Dragonfire wrote:copper wanted to see what you'd respond with. Since what you responded with made him think you were scum, he then decided his vote was in a good place. You overreacted to his statement, which was, in my opinion, quite clearly a reaction test, since someone as good / experienced as copper does not just say something like that completely seriously.
Semantics, by your own admission you are not paying attention to iron in a useful fashion and you only pay attention to me enough to try and score cheap points.In post 1333, Dragonfire wrote:This [bolded] is a misrep. What I said with regards to iron was that I don't finely read his posts looking for scumtells because I don't think he's scum.
You can't just twist my words and turn me saying "I didn't go back over one of your posts and so unwittingly misrepped you" into "he doesn't even pay attention to me." If I wasn't paying attention to you, I'd just literally ignore everything you said. In fact, having said that, I might just do that, since everything you post is just attempts to make others vote me, and scummy misreps and word-twisting. I'm done with this.
Are you planning on playing Magic all day as well?In post 1340, goodmorning wrote:V/LA for ~a day.
You didn't answer my question. I want to know the reasons behind the opinion switch from this:In post 1335, jon_h61 wrote:Not really. I don't know you're scum. I consider (or at least I try) every post. But after everything is said and done, the argument is about DDD's entrance and failing a reaction test. At the time(i read it) I felt like DDD was being set up. That's why I asked GM about Jae. He would be my only other suspect ATM, but of the three of you he seems the most sincere in his looking for scum.
Can you tell me what (if anything) we agree on?
to what you're saying now.In post 1274, jon_h61 wrote:Reading back over 1257 almost convinces me you're Town. If I move my vote, it won't be to DDD though.
I'll point you to the original posts:In post 1336, jon_h61 wrote:Can you point me go to the original post? I'm going to ISO you now, but I'll pop back in often. Point me to anything specific if you want to discuss it.In post 1333, Dragonfire wrote:This [bolded] is a misrep. What I said with regards to iron was that I don't finely read his posts looking for scumtells because I don't think he's scum.
In post 1085, Accountant wrote:I'm sheeping GM today
In post 1120, Accountant wrote:If DDD flips scum I will sheep jae and iron
If DDD flips town I will sheep GM
Make up your mind. Who you sheep seems dependent on how DDD flips. Therefore the superior lynch is DDD.In post 1140, Accountant wrote:Im sheeping jae
Going to be honest here guys this isn't a game that motivates me strongly due to how messy it is so imma go ahead and sheep who I know is town
Also, yesterday you were saying you found GM to be scummier than DDD so why in hell would you sheep her today?In post 1346, Accountant wrote:oh wait I did say I'd sheep GM
can't go back on my word, even if I think DDD is a better lynch
intent to hammer
As far as from your point of view, in this game or the last we played together I have not done anything to earn any kind of respect from you. You think all my opinions are worthless this game and in the last we played together I meta tunneled town and you killed me n1.In post 1340, goodmorning wrote:In the end, I can say only one thing with any certainty: this is the first time I've ever been questioned by someone I had any kind of respect for.
